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Monika VS The Player (The Sims)

Monika would resist a lot of what the Sims can do just via her Nonexistent physiology (And don't bring up the Imaginary Friend, they're on different levels of nonexistence). Plus more likely to use her unresisted hax.

Also, this profile suffers a lot from scaling to characters with no profiles. Just saying.
 
Wouldn't Monika start off in the match in a corporeal form? She has to be EE'd to enter a state of nonexistence.
 
Inconclusive. Whoever moves first wins.

And the amount of realities that you don't exist in is not important. What is important is the kind of non-existence, especialy as there aren't that many timelines in sims.
 
Feels like people don't get the point of her nonexistent physiology. It's not that being nonexistent makes her immune to everything, it's that even causing her to become nonexistent isn't enough to kill her, as she can still delete people even in this state. And there is nothing the Player can do to fully kill her, outside of Mind Manip, if it comes up.
 
Unless this is something they do off the bat, this is just one of the many powers the Player possesses, and pretty much one of the only ones that actually works.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Unless this is something they do off the bat, this is just one of the many powers the Player possesses, and pretty much one of the only ones that actually works.
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Again, its the one thing they do, and they need to do that to use 90% of their other haxes
 
They have far more hax than just that though.

Also, using it in your daily life =/= using it in a fight

Also, it won't even really help here. The Player needs to actively manipulate people in order to affect them, and Monika has nothing that allows her to kill herself.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
They have far more hax than just that though.
Also, using it in your daily life =/= using it in a fight

Also, it won't even really help here. The Player needs to actively manipulate people in order to affect them, and Monika has nothing that allows her to kill herself.
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Even when fights happen he does that. and he has zero reason not to.

And nearly all hax that are combat aplicable come from possesing someone and then changing them.

Incapacitation.
 
And how would they do that? You seem to forget that mind manip isn't instant win if you can't do something like overwhelm/destroy their mind or force them to kill themselves. Actively using it to prevent your opponent from killing you isn't incapacitation, at best it's Inconclusive forever, assuming they never stop manipulating her.
 
Plus, pretty sure we assume mostly bloodlust when there are ambigous characters like the player. The fact that nearly all of his offensive hax rely on possesion makes him using it almost completly sure.
 
And how would they do that? You seem to forget that mind manip isn't instant win if you can't do something like overwhelm/destroy their mind or force them to kill themselves

No, you don't have to destroy them

Actively using it to prevent your opponent from killing you isn't incapacitation, at best it's Inconclusive forever, assuming they never stop manipulating her.

If he could only manipulate her mind in a permanent fashion... something like morality manipulation
 
You have to either permanently damage or overwhelm it, or just force the target to kill themselves.

And this is only one of their many powers and the only one that works.
 
Power Null only works by physically transforming the opponent into something else. Not something that's gonna work on Monika.

Also @Wright You forget that, at best, this is a shoutout situation? Both can incap the other, but there is no reason the player would do it more.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
You have to either permanently damage or overwhelm it, or just force the target to kill themselves.
And this is only one of their many powers and the only one that works.
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Dude. Please, don't make me repeat myself again. All of his offensive powers rely on possesion.

he could just read her character and decide that a suicidal character isn't what he wants and change it, or give her so many orders that she will be forced to work until incap kicks in, or pop all her wishes away, or force her to become happy by reading books. Plus, you know, his fourth wall break helps in knowing what he has to do to win.
 
Except that it's what the Player usually starts with. All their hax come from mind manipulation so it's what they would use first.
 
You're assuming that he would Morality Manip her from the start. Which is, again, one of the many things he can do with his Possession, like you mentioned yourself.

Also please don't you start arguing like Fourth Wall breaking is a legit power that would someone help him know what to do.

@Wright Except that even if he does start by something that can incap her, so would she. So at best, this is Inconclusive, not a win for the player.
 
No, I am assuming he would eventauly do it. Because until she is possesed, she cannot erase anything. He could play for weeks and then change her character, or just see that she has low fun status and make her read a book with empathic manipulation.

Fourth wall breaking is a power, like it or not, and the player can quiet litiraly see what he has to do to get what he wants.
 
The Wright Way said:
No it wouldn't. That's not how forth wall breaking works.
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The player gets notification to what they need to win, complete something and things like that...
 
Or he could do anything that would let him kill her 10-B self instead of just keeping her around for weeks like you claim he would, letting her kill him in return.

It's certainly not a power that would let a character knows the ******* rules of a VS Thread.
 
The player gets notification to what they need to win, complete something and things like that...

Gameplay Mechanics.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Or he could do anything that would let him kill her 10-B self instead of just keeping her around for weeks like you claim he would, letting her kill him in return.
It's certainly not a power that would let a character knows the ******* rules of a VS Thread.
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The canonical parts of his character we are given is that he likes to control people...

And that he needs to satisfy them, wich means he will make monika, at the very least, read a book that makes her happy instead of anything else
 
This is a fight though, not their daily life. The Player would rather get rid of Monika rather than spend weeks trying to "maker her happy".

Also you can't both argue bloodlust due to lack of character and instant morality manip due to their character.
 
Swapping to inconclusive. It's in character for both to start with something that would instantly beat the other.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
This is a fight though, not their daily life. The Player would rather get rid of Monika rather than spend weeks trying to "maker her happy".
Also you can't both argue bloodlust due to lack of character and instant morality manip due to their character.
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Not anymore than thunder would prefer to kill the enemy instead of himself. It's the one thing they enjoy to do, and the characters are in character but willing to kill, and as I pointed out many time, Willing=/=Wanting.

I suppose... you're going to ignore how I said that the fact that I said the "one thing" we know about him. You know, we assume that he respects the character showed, but isn't idiotic otherwise.
 
Thunder still wants to kill the enemy, he just does it with his own power involving killing himself. The Player mind manip people because it enjoys that, but it's not the method they would use to actually get rid of an enemy they want to kill.

You can be a very competent fighter without resorting to a specific power. The Player has many, many powers that would do the job far more effectively on a human target than Mind Manip. Bloodlusted is using your best powers, not using the powers that would be the most effective against your given opponent even if you do not know their characteristics.
 
Wow, I asked to not have to reapeat myself, and then wrote Willing=/=Wanting, and yet, get rid of an enemy they want to kill.

no, he is willing to kill them, thats it

Exept he would litiraly be able to see her abilities, and if possesed monika wouldn't be able to do anything while he looks through her abilities.
 
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