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Dragon Age Revision

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Just finished the DA Trilogy and wow, what a game series. Well, here we go, revision thread. It's quite funny that I am the one making this CRT, since I was also the one who actually created Dragon Age's verse page. Can you believe it had none? What a shame.

Character's Speed
Why the Hell are they simply Subsonic+? Any simple warrior can create shockwaves with their attacks. Since their attacks are nothing more than moving weapons around, this would qualify as a Supersonic feat, IIRC.

Also, the swiftest/strongest character scale to a far better feat. I mean, any single stupidly low-ranked mage can control, project and summon lightning. Real cloud-to-cloud lightning. That said, there is a lightning-dodging feat which pretty much scales to any remarkably powerful character: Arishok dodges Hawke's lightning bolt atttack.

There are even dragons, such as the Gamordan Stormrider, the Northern Hunter and the Vinsomer, which attack the Inquisitor with lightning, and he can (and should) dodge.

I asked Kepekley23 if he could calc Arishok's feat, but I don't really know when/if he is doing so. While he doesn't do it, I guess it is safer to keep their speed as it is.

General Attack Potency
For God's sake, who created these profiles? I mean, it's just me or this explosio couldn't be barely Building level+ even if one wanted it? As I said, any single stupidly low-ranked mage can control, project and summon lightning. A single lightning bolt is already Building level+ by itself. Well, forget it anyway. Here go my suggestions:

  • Any apostate mage should be "At least Building level+", since any mage can freely control lightning just at the beginnning of studies. The mages who have passed the Harrowing (and those who are more experienced than mere apprentices) should be "At least Building level+, likely City Block level" due to the Primal Spell Tempest, which is a rather complex one. It does not create an actual thunderstorm, but an AoE attack, an explosion of consecutive lightnings. The actual number of lightnings generated by this spell cannot be precisily determined (or at least I could not precisely determine), but there are a few dozen at the very last. The analysis of the feat is quite simple: a single lightning generates 5 billion joules (or 1.19 tons). If the spell generates 10 lightnings, it would generate 50 billion joules (or 11.9 tons tons), which is 8-B (City Block level). Straightforward.
    • Templars (Warrior Specialization) should scale, since their work is fighting mages and controlling their magic so that is does not get too dangerous.


  • Stronger mages (such as First Enchanters and the likes) should be "At least Multi-City Block level+, possibly Small Town level" due to the Spell Might Storm of the Century, which generates a powerful tornado, and due to the Primal Spell Earthquake, which causes quaking similar to those of a Magnitude 5 or even 5.5. These are advanced spells, quite difficult to perform, and thus, I believe it is unlikely to have random apostates or dumb Darkspawn Emissaries casting it around.
    • Stronger Templars (such as Knight-Commanders and the likes) obviously should scale.


  • Titans should be "At least Mountain level". They're described as mountain-sized beings made out of stone and lyrium, and this is enough justification for their tier. On top of that, they use Magnitude 9 earthquakes to shape the very world (the earthquakes can create huge rifts in the ground that go down to the Deep Roads, right into the mantle), and those are Mountain leveled.


  • The Magisters from Tevinter should be "At least Mountain level, likely Island level" scaled to the Elder One (Corypheus). He can freely control Red Lyrium, which flows inside the Titans, described as "their blood", and which powers them up. Thus, he kind of controls what builds Titans up. The Island level part comes from when Corypheus raises an island up to the sky.
    • Corypheus, in particular, should have yeat another tier, which is "Possibly Small Planet level with the Orb of Destruction". He created The Breach, a colossal rift in the sky that could be seen in all of Thedas (a pretty big continent) and could have swallowed the world if left unchecked. It holds the power of Fen'Harel, the Dread Wolf, and thus should have similar tier.


  • Speking of which, the Dread Wolf (and the Evanuris) should not be Unknow. Actually, there are a plenty of feats for them. Well, we know that Mythal struck down some Titans back in the Ancient Age, and this is a solid 7-A feat (she literally struck down walking mountains). Now, we have that the Evanuris would have destroyed the entire world. A clear 5-B statement, but that for them as a group. Fortunately, we know how many the Evanuris were (nine), and simple mathematics should give us a fair result: Low 5-B (Small Planet level) for each Evanuris as an individual. Also, as they are gods (well, they are things the elves idolized as gods), they should be above the Magisters from Tevinter, since achieving such a level of power was always their intention. Mythal herself did not see much of a threat in Corypheus. That said, I would put them as "At least Island level, likely Small Planet level".
    • Since they were all "comparable" between themselves, I see no problem with that.
      • there is Elgar'nan's feat of removing the Sun from the sky, but I cannot know the size of said sun, so, I belive it would be more reliable to stay with the statement of the Evanuris being able to end the world.


  • The Heroes should all be "At least Multi-City Block level+, likely Small Town level". They're remarkably superior to First-Enchanters (such as Hawke defeating Orsino).
    • The Herald of Andraste, however, should have two keys, as he's gained a signifficant amoount of power from the Anchor. In this ey, I belive "At least Mountain level, likely Island level should be fitting, since he's comparable to Corypheus.


  • The Companions should be analyzed case-by-case.
    • For example, Alistair is most certainly comparable to The Warden (Dragon Age), while Leliana and the Mabari are far from being able to put up a fight against him.
  • I must require permission to change the currently existing pages format. They are very... poor? I guess that's the word. I wish I could edit them so they would be more similar to this one I'm making. Or am I asking too much?
Well... I guess that's it. I don't know, maybe there are some things missing but ehh, let us keep it this way for now.
 
Character's Speed

There is a lightning-dodging feat which pretty much scales to any remarkably powerful character: Arishok dodges Hawke's lightning bolt atttack.

There are even dragons, such as the Gamordan Stormrider, the Northern Hunter and the Vinsomer, which attack the Inquisitor with lightning, and they can (and should) dodge.


Iirc dodging cloud-to-ground lightning is MHS, though it would be safe to not change it for a while until Kepley does a calc on that Arishok feat

General Attack Potency

Oh boy, NOW we're getting to the fun stuff!

The Magisters from Tevinter should be "At least Mountain level, likely Island level" scaled to the Elder One (Corypheus).

Ok, the Magisters SHOULDN'T scale to Corypheus because firstly, ancient Tevinter has been described as being superior to modern Tevinter and lastly, a much more powerful magister (the guy who can distort the very fabric of time) was afraid of Cory and what he'll do. So i'm proposing that their AP would be... "At least 7-C" for being superior to both First and Grand Enchanters (they are the most powerful group of human mages out there)

The Island level part comes from when Corypheus raises an island up to the sky

That's not an island, that's a mountain-top. Not really impressive though that could give him At least Class M lifting strength with telekinesis.

There is Elgar'nan's feat of removing the Sun from the sky, but I cannot know the size of said sun, so, I belive it would be more reliable to stay with the statement of the Evanuris being able to end the world.


We shouldn't use Dalish legends for feats since Solas mostly dismisses them.

The rest I can agree with, at least for now.
 
Steven Pogi Paitao said:
Ok, the Magisters SHOULDN'T scale to Corypheus because firstly, ancient Tevinter has been described as being superior to modern Tevinter and lastly, a much more powerful magister (the guy who can distort the very fabric of time) was afraid of Cory and what he'll do. So i'm proposing that their AP would be... "At least 7-C" for being superior to both First and Grand Enchanters (they are the most powerful group of human mages out there)
I was talking about the Magisters Sidereal, the ones who entered the Golden City along with Corypheus, not just any random magister. My bad, I guess.

Agreed in everything else.
 
Also, there is an issue with Archdemons: I mean, weren't they likely superior to the Magister Sidereal? They were all priests of the Old Gods (aka Archdemons), weren't they?

If so, I guess we should remove the comparion between the Warden and the Archdemon. I remember Alistair saying that no Warden had ever defeated an Archdemon without an army.
 
Antvasima said:
I think that this seems to make sense, but it is probably best if you check the Knowledgeable Members List and the supporters & neutral sections of the Dragon Age page to find people to ask to comment here.
Well, I suppose there are not, since the page is relatively new and people do not know much of DA.

Can the changes be applied? I'm gonna wait for the calc before changing speed, though.
 
I suppose that the changes that both you and Steven agreed about can be applied then.
 
I believe Inquisitor's first key should be replaced with early-game Inquisitor, it just seems a bit more appropriate to say the least, and also the fact that we don't know what the Inquisitor's abilities and stats before they got the Anchor. Early-game Inquisitor should also be At least Low 7-C, likely 7-C scaling to Alexius.
 
Elves' immortality and Evanuris' symbol yes, but stories are a no to him.
 
Antvasima said:
I suppose that the changes that both you and Steven agreed about can be applied then.
Have these changes been applied yet?
 
I will close it then. You can start a new one after you have a calculation to scale from.
 
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