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Bowser vs Sora

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They/Them
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Bowser is in his base form and speed is equalised.

Bowser: 5 (The real cal howard, TamuraAkemiZ, Asuka the Demonic Empress, Kirbyelmejor, Jasonsith)

Sora: 7 (Dziga, Parugonu, Axl233, Hst master, ABoogieYesSir, SansTheSkeleton101, The Wright Way)

Inconclusive:

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Sora A 6Ôÿà KHUX
 
I mean, that's a bit complicated, but I think we can agree that KH2 so far is where Sora peaked. Bowser has a slight AP and Durability advantage, but I'm completely lost on what he can do about hax, his page makes no effort on separating his powers into his three keys and doesn't explain some of his more vague hax. Does he uses Transmutation, Reality Warping, Time and Space Manipulation, Sealing or Mind Hax in character / can use in base / is combat applicable /significant?
 
Bowser's page is pretty messy but it really doesn't look like this version of him has anything that Sora hasn't dealt with multiple times by the end of KH2 in addition to resisting the overwhelming majority of his hax. And Sora can time stop, spam status effects (it doesn't look like Bowser resists all of them), warp him out of existence (which Bowser also doesn't seem to resist), etc...

It looks like a decisive win for Sora but I could be wrong so I'm gonna take a closer examination before I vote.

EDIT: mine was already counted as a vote but just for clarity's sake, I am voting Sora lol

EDIT2: Cal has made enough good points that I'm undecided again and I'm gonna take another look at KH2
 
To be fair im dont see how Sora doesnt win this.

-he tanks all of Bowser's hacks.

-has more experience.

-is a fighting genius to the point analyzing opponents's abilities and finding ways to counter attack and eveen nullify then.

-Stomps Bowser in versatility.

-and has a bunch of drive forms that can boost his powers.

Sora is taking this 9.5/10

the only reason that this is not a stomp is because of the AP difference and eveen then im dont think Bowser has a much of a advantage considering that Fodder in Kingdom Hearts can do 4.2 Foe feats with a wave of they hands and Sora defeated the strongest being of his verse.
 
Yeah, I'll give a detailed view on why Bowser handily takes this, just give me time. But lol on Sora having any experience advantage over Bowser.
 
Alright, reasons why Bowser beats Sora.

Firstly, there's the AP advantage which Bowser has. Not major, but it's still a thing. Secondly, this is KH2 Sora, who doesn't have most of the things that would put this in his favor. No Warp. No Stop. Etc. But onto the more important things. Sora's primarily a close range fighter. Which gets him destroyed. He only has about three years of fighting experience while Bowser has decades, as he was fighting since he was a baby. His drives are matched by Bowser's own increases in power and Bowser's durability being very much superior to his AP. Bowser has his own power null, reality warping, mind control (Sora's mind resistance doesn't cover this), and sealing to fall back on. As well as creating infinite space between him and his opponent so he can just spam long range attacks without threat. Just like how Sora resists Bowser's elemental attacks, Bowser resists Sora's. Bowser can summon minions and turn them into copies of him as well as create clones of himself. While Sora can shut that down, he can't do that permanently, nor while under this amount of pressure (and that's not even counting Meowser who spams the crap out of a different form of duplication). Bowser holds back far less than Sora being well...evil. And Bowser is actually one to go back in time to screw with his opponent as he's done this on two different occasions.
 
"Sora's primarily a close ranged fighter", did you forget the dozen of magic spells he has in his arsenal? Also all thse things you noted, does Bowser spam any of these in character? If so, scans?
 
The op dint specify wich version of Sora we are using its whatever at his peak wich means whatever at his strongest if so he also gets abilities from the other games

Sora has resisted Power null and sealing before so just throw that away, as for mind manip how strong is Bowser in that matter?

Creating infinite space against a guy that has already copied a nulled a guy wich is main gimmick is Space Manipulation,oh okay.


Also implying that Sora is just gonna be standing there and getting Hard pressed by Bowser its not like he can use Reflega to throw all of Bowser attacks back at him,Potions,Summons that can ressurect him and stun lock Bowser with Magic while it gives him the chance to deal the finishing blow.
 
Also upon reading again, why would him fighting close range get him destroyed exactly? Bowser isn't even used to fighting sword fighters with magic.
 
And eveen if the close combat style does not work he would go for ranged spells then its time stop and warp then GG.
 
@Axl. The OP said whichever Sora is at his peak. You yourself said that's KHII Sora.

Except he hasn't. At the very least, it's not on his profile. If you're gonna bring up Zexion, his pocket reality manipulation has a huge weakness in that it can be fought out of. Bowser's doesn't. In terms of mind manipulation, it frankly doesn't matter (I forget anyway), because Sora hasn't resisted mind control, just confusion.

Except Xigbar's spatial manipulation was never used in such a way.

Reflega is an NLF, especially against someone stronger than him, there's no way Bowser's gonna stand there and let him sort through potions, and summons (except Cloud) get one-shotted.

I also forgot that Bowser resists power nullification with the Safety Ring, so most of Sora's negation options are nulled in turn.

@Sans. Pretty much all of Sora's damaging spells have no effect on Bowser due to his resistance to elemental manipulation. Firaga, Thundaga, & Blizzaga are useless as unlike Sora, Bowser takes 0 damage from them.
 
The fact that it's in his AP section and the same case for every SMRPG character. Check Mario, Mallow, Peach, and Geno.

Also, Bowser's standard equipment section is lacking, as it doesn't even have his hammers.
 
The real cal howard said:
The fact that it's in his AP section and the same case for every SMRPG character. Check Mario, Mallow, Peach, and Geno.
Also, Bowser's standard equipment section is lacking, as it doesn't even have his hammers.
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When is safety ring ever mentioned in his AP section...? Unless you meant P & A section and I said how reguarly does he wear it? Cause in later Mario games he's still being hurt by pyrokinesis attacks, so he's clearly not always wearing it during those moments? Unless we can add resistance bypassing to Mario(hmmm).
 
The real cal howard said:
@Axl. The OP said whichever Sora is at his peak. You yourself said that's KHII Sora.
Except he hasn't. At the very least, it's not on his profile. If you're gonna bring up Zexion, his pocket reality manipulation has a huge weakness in that it can be fought out of. Bowser's doesn't. In terms of mind manipulation, it frankly doesn't matter (I forget anyway), because Sora hasn't resisted mind control, just confusion.

Except Xigbar's spatial manipulation was never used in such a way.

Reflega is an NLF, especially against someone stronger than him, there's no way Bowser's gonna stand there and let him sort through potions, and summons (except Cloud) get one-shotted.

I also forgot that Bowser resists power nullification with the Safety Ring, so most of Sora's negation options are nulled in turn.

@Sans. Pretty much all of Sora's damaging spells have no effect on Bowser due to his resistance to elemental manipulation. Firaga, Thundaga, & Blizzaga are useless as unlike Sora, Bowser takes 0 damage from them.
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Sora can resist Lingering will's power null wich not only nullifies your magic it stops your from attacking in general

Resisted Xemnas null to

He also doesnt need to beat down Zexion to be able to get out from his books.

and about mind manip im could see were you going.

Sora has already deal with a spartial manip before by addapting to it why could he not do this with Bowser since he already has experience on it?

Reflega is strong enough that can eveen reflect hits that has potential to one shot him example:Sephiroth,Marluxia,but eveen then the Ap gap is not really that high if Bowser was like Sola System level im could get your point .

Summons get one shotted?are they made of paper tissue or something?lets not forget about Genie summon wich can time stop and Stich by the way.

Bowser resist power null but Sora has way other methods that can kill him lets not forget that he has Warp,Sleep,time stop and Gravity those spells Bowser has no counter for it.

my vote is still on sora by the way.
 
IIRC Limit Form does allow Sora access to abilities from the previous 2 games. Also Sora has been capable of fighting people with decades of experience over him (Most notably Xaldin, who's one of the top fighters in the Organization and was an experienced guard as a human, Xemnas, who's Xehanort and Terra's nobody and Terra himself as the Lingering Will)

That said aren't both of them more physical fighters starting off? Neither would be starting with the good shit unless absolutely necessary

Also not saying he'd spam it but I do beileve Reflect would be useful. cuz I sure would
 
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