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Calculation Group Help Needed. All Might Detroit Smash Timeframe.

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VersusJunkie54

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The constant conflict on what timeframe we should use has been driving me absolutely nuts. And others as well.

We need help to determine what timeframe we should use? Should we use the anime timeframe, or estimate it based off the manga scenes? If we can't make a concrete decision, All Might's ratings won't ever stabilize.

We have varying figures. From 3 seconds to 11 to 13 all the way to 60 seconds even. None of us can agree on a figure to use.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._Academia:_Detroit_Smash#WikiaArticleComments

This is the current blog for the feat.
 
I also agree with Knight's proposal, the 3 seconds timeframe comes from an anime scene that it doesn't appear in the manga.
 
Knightofannihilation666 said:
A 10 second time frame honestly seems reasonable. A 1 minute time frame seems a little too high given how quick the feat happened. So I'd suggest a 10 second time frame for a high end, a 15 second end for a mid end and a 30 second end for the low end.
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He asked me to post this.
 
Don't we typically use the low ends to be safe? But in this case the 10 seconds timeframe is indeed more appropriate overall. It should make weakened All Might around 36 or 37 megatons in power since we're using KE.

So, let me see: the smallest timeframe is 3 seconds (we're using 10) and the highest is 60 seconds. The smallest distance is 4.7km (we're using 5.3) and the highest is 14.6 km.The height of the cylinder of clouds is standardized at 13km with the density of cloud air standardized at 1.003kg/m┬│, am I right? No variation at these last ones?

This should allow for all ends to be calculated in one go, allowing us to fully visualize the "spectrum" of energy outputs all at once.

The puniest end of ((4700/60)^2)*((4700^2)*pi*13000*1.003)*0.5 = 2.776215e+15 J or 663.5 kilotons of TNT is contrasted by the highest end of ((14600/3)^2)*((14600^2)*pi*13000*1.003)*0.5 = 1.0340299e+20 J or 24.7 gigatons of TNT. The highest end results in a ~1.5 teratons Prime All Might.

We're proposing however an end of 5.3 km radius, 10 seconds. That's 1.6160978e+17 J or 38.6 megatons of TNT, with Prime All Might measuring up to 2.3 gigatons of TNT. Am I right?

Lowest end: High 7-C+ | 7-B

Proposed end: 7-B | High 7-A+

Highest end: 6-C | Low 6-B
 
As I said, the 3 second timeframe was rejected.

But Ten Seconds does seem reasonable. Sixty seconds seems like an unrealistic Low-End
 
Yeah, I used them all together so that whoever comes in here to analyse knows immediately that:

1. Many ends were already made, the calc was made many times with many different horizon distances and timeframes;

2. The values there used;

3. The results they give when mixed together hardcorely for the lowest imaginable end and highest possible ends we could come up with with every variable that has... varied.

I feel this makes it easier for myself to fully picture the situation, so somebody else might feel the same (?)
 
Low end feels good. It's unrealistically low, though. Unrealistically high timeframe, unrealistically low horizon distance. I feel the mid end will end up being selected and I'll finally be able to have All Might versus Meruem.

Leaving the formula for All Might's feat here:

((distance/timeframe)^2)*((distance^2)*pi*cloudheight*cloudairdensity)*0.5 = KE

In other words, it unites the cylinder volume and the kinetic energy formula with the density value to attain mass. If I fully fuse these two formulas and simplify them in this site, I have:

(pi*distance^4*height*density)/(2*time^2)

Although I don't know how trustworthy the website's solution actually is (It helps me speed up some calculations sometimes).
 
I should have asked this before but, did we ever actually see the horizon from All Might's point of view?
 
I suppose that's the 5.3 kilometers horizon range? Hope so?

Yeah, it seems to be using a height of 2.20 meters.
 
Ignored it?

I'm pretty sure he just didn't get a notification, or just couldn't type which is the same issue you had.
 
VersusJunkie54 said:
I sent a messege to Kepekley, but he completely ignored my messege for some reason.
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Sometimes he'll respond 1 time then thats it


Also is having a shorter timeframe a higher tier or lower?
 
Try sending messages to other calc group members, as well as knowledgeable staff members.

Well, at least I made a few calcs and tried to keep my input "meaningful" as the board requires. ><
 
I didn't see the message wall.

10-15s is the standard low end for a single panel feat that doesn't involve ridiculous distances being traveled.

And I've been getting unsubbed from some threads lately. I think it's because I use TAB + Enter a lot and accidentally unsub with it.
 
(pi*5300^4*13000*1.003)/(2*15^2) = 7.1826569e+16 J or 17 166 962 tons of TNT (17.2 megatons). Prime All Might becomes 1.03 gigaton of TNT in striking strength.

I re-ran the proposed timeframe using your proposed high end for time, Kepekley. It becomes "7-B | High 7-A". Which end do you think should be used, the one we made in which All Might gets a plus, or the one with a somewhat but still credibly extended timeframe I calced right now in which he doesn't? Also, does the speed result of at what speed the clouds move scale to All Might's shockwaves's speed/his combat speed if there is no higher value for that?
 
Hey Kep-sama not to derail anything but could u go back to "KCM & Tenpenchii" since @TFO had a suggestion for the distance plz?
 
Who else may we ask to give additional input on this thread before All Might can be edited in a more definite and robust reclassification so that the chances of this drama repeating itself on that same character and verse are reduced?
 
I'm afraid that not having a reasonable amount of solid agreement among calc members and staff will be harmful at this point.
 
Oorumaitokarahanarero
"His legs began moving before he could think."

Sure. Meanwhile, let me post this pic here, with the formula for All Might's feat:
Where D stands for distance in meters, h stands for height of the clouds (cylinder height we're using, currently 13km) in meters, d is density of the atmospheric being moved (standardized at 1.003kg/m┬│ for cloud air) and t is time in seconds. This is nothing but "kinetic energy*cylinder volume*density" but simplified into a single fraction. Use it to your heart's content.

EDIT: Called in the help of the five Big Damn Heroes. They are ThePerpetual, Darkanine, The real cal howard, Spinosaurus75DinosaurFa and the one and only ArbitraryNumbers.
 
10-15 seconds has been a standard or single panel feats with 30s as an absolute low end (assuming of course there's nothing that suggest otherwise), so that should be good to go here.
 
I dont really have an opinion one way or the other. 10 or 15 seconds seems accepted, so go with what you guys think is best.

Edit: Leaning towards 10s myself though, I think it's fine.
 
10 seconds is very close to the anime timeframe without the filler scene, so I support it.
 
You can't derive the 10s timeframe based off of its proximity to the anime timeframe if you're not going to use the anime's timeframe ''outright''. That's purely circular reasoning.
 
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