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Stat Revision
The above picture basically already tells you anything you need to know. Aleister has a stat boosting spell the let's him physically match saint level fighters (specifically at makes him stronger the more of his alternative versions are killed). Hence his physical stats should scale to them if it is used.
Here a quote to the above scene:
Verse Equalization Questio
So in universe Aleister Crowley has the ability to negate all modern western magic (The majority of all magic used in the verse). Here the quotes:
That should suffice as explanation.
So here is the question: Given that this is not a power like Imagine Breaker that simply works via supernatural negation, but has its mechanisms relating to history, to which degree can we assume it works against other verses in vs threads?
We had two different opinions in the To Aru Discussion Thread.
One is that the ability becomes completly unusable in vs-threads as no other verse shares to aru's history.
The other is that verse equalization should make it useable as long as its clear that the other verses spell borrows from modern western esotericism (e.g. spells involving symbolism of the banner of the west or the Thoth Tarot).
Opinions on the matter would be appreciated.
The above picture basically already tells you anything you need to know. Aleister has a stat boosting spell the let's him physically match saint level fighters (specifically at makes him stronger the more of his alternative versions are killed). Hence his physical stats should scale to them if it is used.
Here a quote to the above scene:
Let us make one thing clear. Kanzaki Kaori and Knight Leader made no more attempt at conversation. The fog and darkness were split as the monsters attacked Aleister from the front and back simultaneously. They shattered the sound barrier. Their extraordinary attack transformed their very bodies into deadly weapons. Kanzaki Kaori used Nanasen, seven wires blended into the exaggerated motion of drawing her sword. Knight Leader simply used his double-edged sword. They combined trickery and a straightforward attack so their enemy could only respond to one of them. It was complete overkill that would smash a criminal's body to pieces instead of just take off their head. But Aleister only breathed an exasperated sigh. Meaningful numbers scattered from her right and left fingertips like orange sparks. Immediately, silence fell. At first, it seemed like time had come to a halt in some kind of mistake. She had blocked both Kanzaki Kaori's wires and Knight Leader's sword. One with a golden staff with a spherical head. The other with a large silver scythe. The two weapons symbolized the sun and the moon. Aleister remained between the two monsters and fended them off with a hand each. "Is it that strange?" She giggled. And Aleister whispered like a demon with the strange weapons in hand. "Is it that strange that I can easily stop your supersonic attacks when I could not even dodge Kamijou Touma's fist? There is an answer to your question. If you have any thought left in your heads, then enjoy figuring it out. That is the greatest luxury of human life." They were in the midst of a battle and a war. So Kanzaki Kaori and Knight Leader did not respond to her words. It truly happened in an instant. In less than the blink of an eye, a spear shredded the darkness on its way toward the national traitor's chest. Knight Leader had caught a spear tossed to him by another knight and made a further attack with it. Wars were fought with the sword, but executions were a different matter. An axe could remove the head or a spear could pierce the heart. In the capital city of London, there were plenty of things that had taken more lives than the average war. This symbolized a tragedy of the wealthy, not a war of the starving. Knight Leader had fought on equal footing with Acqua of the Back, aka William Orwell, who held a unique position even among the Saints. Meanwhile, the silver girl already had both hands full. She should have had no way of blocking the spear aimed at her heart. This spear had its weight magically increased, so it would break her body to pieces. "Again," whispered Magician Aleister Crowley in a singsong voice. "I was asking if you are shorthanded." With a heavy clang, the spear tip was forcibly repelled. It happened at just a few dozen centimeters from the silver-haired girl's back. After missing its mark, the spear struck a nearby steel streetlight. The streetlight broke. Accelerator stood nearby, but he had not interfered with his control of vectors. At some point, the unrealistically large scythe had vanished and Aleister had touched the spear with her perfectly normal right hand. Kanzaki Kaori took a cautious step back. | ||
~ NT 20 Chapter 2 Part 8 |
So in universe Aleister Crowley has the ability to negate all modern western magic (The majority of all magic used in the verse). Here the quotes:
"I don't care how many billions of people live on this planet. Even if every last one of them hates me, only a small fraction will be able to use magic at a practical level. And no one can harm me if they follow the theory of modern Western magic which I constructed and redistributed. Freedom vanished from the world with the introduction of the Book of the Law in 1904. No matter how hard you try, the shadow of Aleister Crowley will continue to stalk you at the foundation of your spells. I can interfere as much as I like. As the developer, I am familiar with the backdoors and zero-day exploits in the technical system known as modern Western magic. Right now, I am merely refusing you service. Perhaps I should have it blow up in your hands next." It did not particularly matter if the magical materials they relied on dated to a time before Aiwass's summoning ― or to put it in Crowley's terms, the time of the Last Judgment when the Aeon was advanced. Even if you listened to Japanese noh or kyogen, it would be ruined if you attempted to understand it using the do-re-mi scale brought over from the West. "Why is it I can fly on a broom without fear of being brought down? Because you cannot do it." In other words, the only people who could hope to outdo Aleister in the field of magic were the extraordinary Magic Gods or a magician with an independent streak on the level of Westcott and Mathers who had competed with Aleister to develop a universal format for the foundation of magic while in the Golden cabal. Imagine Breaker was not needed if you only needed to negate magic. That was clear from the fact that a grimoire library held a central position in anti-magician combat. And Mathers had so badly wanted to be the editor of modern Western magic because he had wanted to establish rules that worked to his advantage. Just as a specific search engine and a specific online store had covered the planet, he had wanted to stand at the foundation of the infrastructure. Aleister had something that let her keep up with their supersonic movements. And she could reject all of their modern Western magic. |
Northern Africa had come to London. Eventually, Aleister narrowed her eyes in admiration at that mismatched scenery. For someone who had come to hate Christianity after a lifetime of abuse, false accusations, and persecution from the "pious believers", this may have actually been more comfortable even if it was a trap sprung by the enemy. "Egyptian mythology, hm? Although this is the Egyptian scenery as a European would imagine it. Did you use the Rosetta Stone as a source? I imagine you dug through the British Museum until you found it. But I believe I already explained that even magical resources from before 1904 are meaningless if you attempt to understand them through the filter of modern Western magic." "That is why we will make no attempt to understand them." Aleister and Kanzaki Kaori both already knew the answer. So their statements were no more than curses meant to strike their opponent with harmful emotion. "We take what is there and release it as is. That is all." "And you call that managing the battlefield? I believe most people refer to that as a runaway weapon." |
Even if she was weary from so many battles in quick succession, Aleister Crowley could use Spiritual Tripping and the Blasting Rod at the same time, she could use the optimization of her blood sacrifice to keep up with the supersonic battle of a Saint, and she could neutralize and hijack all modern Western magic, so it was unusual for anyone to be capable of engaging her in a purely magical battle. |
So here is the question: Given that this is not a power like Imagine Breaker that simply works via supernatural negation, but has its mechanisms relating to history, to which degree can we assume it works against other verses in vs threads?
We had two different opinions in the To Aru Discussion Thread.
One is that the ability becomes completly unusable in vs-threads as no other verse shares to aru's history.
The other is that verse equalization should make it useable as long as its clear that the other verses spell borrows from modern western esotericism (e.g. spells involving symbolism of the banner of the west or the Thoth Tarot).
Opinions on the matter would be appreciated.
