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Bleh. We talked about this some times on this Wiki but it never got to a conclusive end, instead going into explosions and thread-dead-ness.
So, basically, Reimu & Co defeats Shinki fair and square, but apparently, they don't scales to her...? I would like if we could discuss weather or not we can scale Reimu (PC-98) Marisa (PC-98) Yuuka (PC-98) and Mima to Shinki. I have seen a few counter argument but let me counter-counter them so we won't lose any time.
>Shinki was holding back
Doubtful for severals reasons. The Protag completely wrecked her strongest creation, up to tears, previously, and Shinki was aware of this. Not only that but she seemed pretty bent on punishing any of the girls in all the routes, not a situtation in which someone would hold back. And there is the fact that Shinki legit thought she was fighting her equal against Mima, she wouldn't hokd back in these situations.
>The Protag gets one shots and only beats her by dodging everything, which also means Shinki has low tier Dura
Gameplay mechanics. Simply..Game Play mechanics. In the PC-98 games, the "Boss" and "Player" position never makes sense in-story, and some being that were "Boss" before became "Player" later. And with things like PoDD where the players tanks a lot of hits from opposing enemies, the "Player gets one shot, Boss tanks everything" scenrio clearly seems like a simple game play mechanics. It would seem incredibly unfair to deny any scaling just because it is a Bullet Hell game. Also even when the player "Dies" in the game, they are still alive, just KO'd, and this happen after they got hit multiple times.
>The Protag only has beaten her with the Spell Card rule
Well, first of all, the Spell Card rule is only present in the Windows games. Even if we do takes the PC-98 games as in the same continuity, EoSD was the first game using the Spell Card rule, and Mystic Square obviously happened BEFORE said game (With Alice being a child in tha old games and stuff), and most characters who loses seems to directly imply that the Protag is stronger than they are, rather than just being more skilled, so this fight having been done under the spell card rule is unlikely.
>Outlier
Although possible, it's important to note that Reimu clearly grows in power in each installement of the PC-98 era, such as Marisa going off to train her, and the fact that previously, Reimu wasn't able to hurts enemies with her normal attacks, instead having to rely on her Yin-Yang ball to do it. While now, she can hurts them as easily as she could with her Yin-Yang back then.
So, yeah. Either these 4 girls get boosted to 4-B to 2-C or we gets on a logical reasons to not scales them with Shinki.
So, basically, Reimu & Co defeats Shinki fair and square, but apparently, they don't scales to her...? I would like if we could discuss weather or not we can scale Reimu (PC-98) Marisa (PC-98) Yuuka (PC-98) and Mima to Shinki. I have seen a few counter argument but let me counter-counter them so we won't lose any time.
>Shinki was holding back
Doubtful for severals reasons. The Protag completely wrecked her strongest creation, up to tears, previously, and Shinki was aware of this. Not only that but she seemed pretty bent on punishing any of the girls in all the routes, not a situtation in which someone would hold back. And there is the fact that Shinki legit thought she was fighting her equal against Mima, she wouldn't hokd back in these situations.
>The Protag gets one shots and only beats her by dodging everything, which also means Shinki has low tier Dura
Gameplay mechanics. Simply..Game Play mechanics. In the PC-98 games, the "Boss" and "Player" position never makes sense in-story, and some being that were "Boss" before became "Player" later. And with things like PoDD where the players tanks a lot of hits from opposing enemies, the "Player gets one shot, Boss tanks everything" scenrio clearly seems like a simple game play mechanics. It would seem incredibly unfair to deny any scaling just because it is a Bullet Hell game. Also even when the player "Dies" in the game, they are still alive, just KO'd, and this happen after they got hit multiple times.
>The Protag only has beaten her with the Spell Card rule
Well, first of all, the Spell Card rule is only present in the Windows games. Even if we do takes the PC-98 games as in the same continuity, EoSD was the first game using the Spell Card rule, and Mystic Square obviously happened BEFORE said game (With Alice being a child in tha old games and stuff), and most characters who loses seems to directly imply that the Protag is stronger than they are, rather than just being more skilled, so this fight having been done under the spell card rule is unlikely.
>Outlier
Although possible, it's important to note that Reimu clearly grows in power in each installement of the PC-98 era, such as Marisa going off to train her, and the fact that previously, Reimu wasn't able to hurts enemies with her normal attacks, instead having to rely on her Yin-Yang ball to do it. While now, she can hurts them as easily as she could with her Yin-Yang back then.
So, yeah. Either these 4 girls get boosted to 4-B to 2-C or we gets on a logical reasons to not scales them with Shinki.
