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Some Ganondorf power revision (mainly regen)

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So, we currently have it that Ganon can regenerate at a Low Godly level, but it turns him into Calamity Ganon, a mindles berserker.

However, he does have another showing of Regenerationn on that level, without turning mindless.

https://youtu.be/L3IPKaDvaag

Skip to 3:30

In Twilight Princess (my favorite Zelda game), after you defeat Beast Ganon, he collapses and his body emits weird flames. A short cutscene with Link Midna and Zelda plays, and Ganondorf reappears as a head made out of those weird flames, and Ganondorf soonafter appears in his human form. Slow down/pause the video from 4:49 to 4:51, and you see the flames are rising from nothing. The body of the beast is gone. Given the events of the game, with the fact that said form was Ganondorf's in the Twilight Realm (remember that Ganondorf is still a lightworlder), it's most probable that the weird flaming head is Ganondorf's soul. And if not, he still regenerated from nothing.

There's also the fact that he formed his body from his soul in A Link to the Past, after the defeat of Agahnim.

And earlier in the same Twilight Princess fight (at the beginning of the video), he puts his soul inside Zelda, and after Puppet Zelda is defeated, Midna purges Ganon's soul, with it still screaming, and we physically see it being destroyed, scattering everywhere. Yet Ganondorf reforms from that into Beast Ganon.

Wait, that's a Mid Godly Regenerationn feat...

Power Absorption, Power Bestowal, & Zant's powers
Ganon should have power absorption. He leeches power from the Maidens in Four Swords Adventures, and in this game, he goes all Dark Area Digimon and becomes even stronger upon getting sealed into darkness, acquiring Twilit powers out of nowhere, being able to deconstruct himself into shadow particles, create Twilight Portals, and create Twilight barriers. As well as power bestowal, as he gave his powers to Zant (which should also grant him all of Zant's powers [its explicitly said that Zant was given Ganon's power, rather than Ganon gave Zant power]).

Range buff
Ganondorf's powers work cross-universally, as he could put up a Twilight pyramid barrier around Hyrule Castle from inside the Twilight Realm and wound up in Hyrule Castle from there (unless he was inside Zant the whole time, which would be another showing of Low Godly Regenerationn as he refashioned his body from his soul that was housed in Zant). Even then, Ganon could summon Phantom Ganon from another dimension in Ocarina of Time, and can use his alter ego of Agahnim in A Link to the Past in the Light World while Ganon was stuck in the Dark World.

EDIT: Skipped to the end of the Zant fight, and Ganon was "reborn" before Midna killed Zant, so it's the former (range feat) rather than the latter (regen feat). That said, Ganondorf, when we meet him, we see him in his human form. He is not humanoid during the only time we see him post Twilight Realm sealing, being in that flaming soul form from before, so he probably did fashion his body from his soul again.

(Different kind of) resurrection + others
Ganondorf should have resurrection, as Zant was expecting to be resurrected by him. And slightly off topic, but Midna with the Fused Shadow should be capable of destroying souls, doing it to the aforementioned Ganondorf. Speaking of Ganondorf's relation to Zant, I'm rewatching the Zant boss fight and the cutscenes involved. idk what form Ganondorf appeared to him in Twilight Princess, with not only the fiery head appearing, but also some sort of sun-like thing, but Ganondorf can appear as that.

Time resistance
Side x4 note, Ganondorf should have a (minor) resistance to time stop, as he managed to (eventually) break out of the Golden Goddesses's seal in Wind Waker, and said seal stopped time for Ganon and his minions.
 
@Cal No, we're here to talk shit about Twilight Princess whether you like it or not. Just give me a bit of time, gotta read through this before I make an opinion.
 
If you wanna talk shit about Twilight Princess, just call it edgy Ocarina of Time and you win the argument ovo
 
MM was OoT on an acid trip, which makes it way better than OoT by default.
 
The whole flames out of nothing does look like a low godly feat.

The power absorption thing though I'm a bit iffy on. I remember that Zant was the main cause of the twilight stuff as he was in control of the realm, though it has been a while since I played the game, so my memory is a bit fuzzy.

As for the range, wouldn't that be cross dimensional or trans dimensional? They exist in different realms, it's not stated to be a completely different universe unless I'm missing something.

The resurrection part I'm skeptical on that considering Zant was a massive Ganondorf fanboy and believed that he was his "lord and savior" considering he came out of nowhere in the time of dire need to him.

The minor timestop resistance I'm ok with.
 
Sweet. Glad you agree on that, as that was the biggest part of this entire thing ovo. How do you feel about the other potential regen feats, namely, the one that comes before the flaming Ganondorf scene with Midna's purging that I thought could be Mid-Godly?

Zant did say that everything he has is because of his god (aka Ganondorf), down to Midna's curse.

Aren't those the same thing? Cross and trans dimensional?

That's understandable. Though it just hit me that he revives Volvagia from the dead in Ocarina of Time.
 
I was actually gonna bring all of these up myself at some point (Along with stuff like Animal Manipulation and Statistics Amplification) so I agree with most of this, except...

"And earlier in the same Twilight Princess fight (at the beginning of the video), he puts his soul inside Zelda, and after Puppet Zelda is defeated, Midna purges Ganon's soul, with it still screaming, and we physically see it being destroyed, scattering everywhere. Yet Ganondorf reforms from that into Beast Ganon."

I'm 99% sure he put his entire body into Zelda, not just his soul due to the fact he turned his body into Twilight particles to enter Zeldas...corpse. And when Midna boots Ganon out we can see he's still just a bunch of Twilight particles, meaning she scattered the particles he turned his body into as opposed to his soul. But other than that I agree with Power Bestowal and Absorption, combat applicable Low-Godly regen, and his (Minor) Resistance to Time Stop.

Also on a related note as we're talking about Crenado, should we add this to his tabber?

66b
 
Oh, I forgot some things!

Time Stop
Ganon control the dark clouds, which stop time around Hyrule, making it an eternal winter.

(Not minor) Reality Warping
Ganon can turn forests, even forests protected by Maidens, into Lost Woods. This isn't transmutation, and we all know the properties of the Lost Woods by now. He can also turn the Royal Jewels into Moon Gates, gates to the Dark World.

Chaos Manipulation
In Zelda II, Ganon's energy, even though he's dead, still causes chaos and disorder around Hyrule. And this is explicitly different than aftermath involving his minions, as they're said to make matters worse.

Duplication
Created Dark Link, which comes from existence from Link's shadow, which not only has all of Ganon's opponent's skills, but can also anticipate their every action. Also, as Agahnim, he could duplicate himself into three, and though two of them were illusory, their attacks were completely real.

Something else
Ganon's regret and hatred from being defeated & killed in TP transcends space and time, manifesting in the Dark Mirror as Shadow Link. I...have no idea what this would be.
 
Doesn't FSA also have Ganon and various other monsters/demons doing something akin to Bayonettas purgatorio stuff where they attack people in the Light World while remaining inside the Dark World.

Also Ganon should have Statistics Amplification because during the battle with Calamity Ganon he can amp his own durability, and Animal Manipulation because of his control over the Helmaroc King in the Wind Waker.
 
Paragraph 1: You're completely right and unlike Bayonetta, Ganon actually uses it in combat.

Paragraph 2: Statistics amp I'm fine with, though less so with animal manipulation. Helmaroc King may just be obedient, like a dog to Ganon.
 
Ganon also needs a buff in his necromancy, as he turned knights of Hyrule into his undead minions.
 
Did Ganon really make Dark Link? I'm pretty sure it was that one wizard dude in Zelda 2 that created him.
 
Dark Link, as the one in OoT. Not Link's Shadow. And it wasn't the wizard (who actually is an incarnation of Ganon, btw), but the King of Hyrule. Link's Shadow isn't actually evil, but a test.
 
Ok, the Mid Godly thing I feel is a bit of a stretch unless we get more evidence.

For Chaos Manipulation, wasn't that just his remaining servants wrecking havoc across the land?

Umm, the dark clouds I need more clarification on that. That could just be weather manipulation if it's making the entire castle snow.

Everything else seems alright I guess.

Also, is there a blog that lists everything that Ganon has? If so, can I see it?
 
"And earlier in the same Twilight Princess fight (at the beginning of the video), he puts his soul inside Zelda, and after Puppet Zelda is defeated, Midna purges Ganon's soul, with it still screaming, and we physically see it being destroyed, scattering everywhere. Yet Ganondorf reforms from that into Beast Ganon.

Wait, that's a Mid Godly Regenerationn feat..."

If it's shattered but not destroyed it's probably just "better" Low-Godly.
 
Low-Godly seems fine. About the Mid-Godly, I'd like to mention that Link has a non-combat applicable Mid-Godly, as he regenerated into WWLink despite the fact that he was completely "erased" from the Adult Timeline. So if Ganon had it as well, it wouldn't be particularly strange. But I'm still neutral on this.

I'm okay with power absorption from the Maidens, but what happened in TP is more like him growing stronger thanks to hatred, but I don't know which ability would it be. More than Power Bestowal, I thought he literally put his soul into Zant? I don't remember quite well TP. I thought we already scaled Zant to Ganon.

Okay with the range buff.

Good with resurrection, but just for the Volvagia thing.

Same for resistance to time stop

Links for time stop and chaos manip?

The first one would be RW, but the second one seems more like transmutation.

Good with duplication.
 
I wish I had a blog lol...

For chaos manipulation, that wouldn't be the case. In the AoL manual, the chaos and disorder thing is said, and then it's followed up with something like "to make matters worse, Ganon's minions are...", so it couldn't be minion related.

"The power of darkness has halted the flow of time here, and winter lingers on." — Shrine Maidens (Four Swords Adventures)
 
That's hardly a reason for Mid Godly regen. Unless his soul was actually destroyed and he still reincarnated. That's a MASSIVE reach.
 
I agree with Glass.

That said, I think the Triforce itself is acausal for similar reasons.

Link takes the ToC with him back to the past, before Ganondorf touched the Triforce and it split, so the ToC shouldn't be a thing in the Adult Timeline, yet Wind Waker Link acquires it. Same with the ToP and ToW. Ganondorf and Zelda keep their respective pieces in the Adult Timeline, but their Child Timeline counterparts, which again are in a timeline where Link stopped Ganondorf from touching the Triforce, have them.
 
@Cal didn't he take off the triforce beforehand? We never see him with the thing in MM.
 
There's no other Triforce users around in Termina for it to resonate and show itself, which is why we never see it, and the Hyrule Historia states that Link took it with him to the past (which in itself is a bit weird, as 10 yr old Link didn't have the Triforce of Courage, especially since he was sent back in time with the Ocarina of Time, which we see in Majora's Mask has you actually lose your acquisitions when time travelling).
 
The entire Zelda Timeline is a plothole ovo.

It can be written away with acausality. Which is why I suggested it.
 
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