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Kefla vs Hit but it's not a stomp...

GyroNutz

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This is SSJ1 Kefla vs Hit. SSJ2 Kefla is restricted, 1 hour time limit applies, speed is equal.

I can change to base Kefla if needed but I think, personally, that would be a tad unfair. Meh.

Battle takes place on the ToP arena, they're both willing to kill. Who wins and why?

Edgy Purple Assassin: 7

Tingly Back: 2

Inconclusive:
 
it is her 3-A variation

I'll need some reasons before I add your vote, por favor
 
Hit's time skip would keep improving and his time cage would be very useful against her, especially if it was very effective against Jiren. Also Hit is a strategic fighter and has insta kill moves.
 
Kefla due to a massive AP advantage. I know Hit has crazy techniques, but if an extremely supressed Jiren can break out of a time cage and Blue Goku can break out of Time Skip, Kefla in SSJ should be able to as well. As for insta-kill techniques, Kefla should be a lot faster, and therefore able to dodge them. Also, something like the one kick that knocked out SSJB KKx20 Goku should be enough to kill someone far more than 20x weaker. I'm not saying it's definie, but I give the edge to Kefla. Also, isn't SSJB Goku (post ultra-instinct sign) Low 2-C?
 
Said supressed Jiren was Low 2-C and was still strained to break out (of time cage).

SSJB Goku is only Low 2-C after 2nd UI sign for fighting Jiren. He would still be 3-A when fighting SSJ1 Kefla.

Vote counted for AP and speed reasons
 
Jiren had Low-Mid Regen which is the reason he wasn't affected from Hit's punch. Also he telikinetically stopped Hit from knocking him off the arena while frozen in the time-cage. Kefla has no countermeasures for these techniques. She's a simple brawler
 
JackJoyce said:
Previous thread was closed unfairly. AP means nothing here when he can easily phase through all of Kefla's attacks & make a hole in her chest. Or put her in a time-cage & finish her off
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AP means everything when it becomes the sole reason so that he can't easily phase through Kefla's attacks, can't make a hole in her chest, neither put her in a time cage nor finish her off.

Previous thread being closed was fully justified.
 
I see both sides here but do believe that hit has advantage over ss1 kefla. I've already voted but just pointing out that there is fair arguments on both sides.
 
JackJoyce said:
Jiren had Low-Mid Regen which is the reason he wasn't affected from Hit's punch. Also he telikinetically stopped Hit from knocking him off the arena while frozen in the time-cage. Kefla has no countermeasures for these techniques. She's a simple brawler
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@AKM sama Please read^
 
I wasn't even referring to this post. I was referring to the one I quoted.
 
Kalifa gets my vote since she should be able to break of his time stop easily compared to SSB goku and her huge ap advantage. She also should have knowledge on his skills since they are from the same universe and on the same time as well
 
I'm gonna be frank here.

Hit takes this. Time stop, intangible/invisible attacks that ignore durability, and Time Cage.

Kefla wouldn't know shit about Hit's powers beyond what Kale and Caulifla saw him do in the ToP--and Kale and Caulifla weren't present when Hit became intangible in an attempt to knock Dyspo off the stage, nor were they present/watching when Hit used his intangible ki blast on Jiren. She'd only know about the Time Cage and Time Skip/Stop.

Kefla does not have Resistance to Time Manipulation, nor Precognition on her profile, which is what enabled Goku, who is a much better, more experienced martial artist, to "break out of" Hit's Time Manipulation. Hit also leads with Time Stop/Time Skip in every fight he's been in.

The only reason Dyspo was able to use his speed to counter Hit was due to the fact that he could hear when Hit tensed up to use his Time Skip. Kefla doesn't have this advantage. So unless she blitzes immediately (is speed even equalized for this match?), Hit can and will kill her.
 
"Kefla wouldn't know shit about Hit's powers beyond what Kale and Caulifla saw him do in the ToP--and Kale and Caulifla weren't present when Hit became intangible in an attempt to knock Dyspo off the stage, nor were they present/watching when Hit used his intangible ki blast on Jiren. She'd only know about the Time Cage and Time Skip/Stop."

Caulifla and Kale were watching the fight between Dyspo and Hit. They'd know about the intangibility. Though it could be argued that Kefla won't be able to deal with it due to her severe lack of combat experience.

"So unless she blitzes immediately (is speed even equalized for this match?)"

Speed is equalized, though Dyspo was also able to blitz Hit due to his ability to increase his speed thousands of times in an instant.

"Kalifa gets my vote since she should be able to break of his time stop easily compared to SSB goku and her huge ap advantage."

Goku has resistance to time manipulation, Kefla does not.

Also who's Kalifa ovo
 
GyroNutz said:
"Kefla wouldn't know shit about Hit's powers beyond what Kale and Caulifla saw him do in the ToP--and Kale and Caulifla weren't present when Hit became intangible in an attempt to knock Dyspo off the stage, nor were they present/watching when Hit used his intangible ki blast on Jiren. She'd only know about the Time Cage and Time Skip/Stop."
Caulifla and Kale were watching the fight between Dyspo and Hit. They'd know about the intangibility. Though it could be argued that Kefla won't be able to deal with it due to her severe lack of combat experience.

"So unless she blitzes immediately (is speed even equalized for this match?)"

Speed is equalized, though Dyspo was also able to blitz Hit due to his ability to increase his speed thousands of times in an instant.
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To be fair, I can't be ****** to remember every single reaction shot in every single fight. >_>

That being said, if speed is equalized, then absolutely there's no way for Kefla to handle Hit's time stop.
 
Kefla stomps. She was able to defeat a Kaiokenx20 Goku she will casually smash Hit's dimension and one shot him
 
Xantospoc said:
Kefla stomps. She was able to defeat a Kaiokenx20 Goku she will casually smash Hit's dimension and one shot him
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Explain to me how Kefla will smash Hit's dimension. Not even Goku could prevent Hit from going intangible.

Not to mention, Kefla has none of Goku's skill/precog and resistance to Time Stop.
 
She does.

Hit's timeskip works on raw power, no special skill and technique.

Also Goku smashed through Hit's dimension with a Kahemahameha. Jiren did that as well with a simple punch.

And yes, A>B>C does apply here. Why? Because what Goku used is no special time/space breaking technique, no unique physiology, nothing. Hit was simply weaker than Goku and Goku's raw power overwhelmed said hax. Kelfa's raw power was casually above goku's at his strongest when Hit was somewhere between SSG and SSB during the fight with Dyspo, and higher against Jiren, but not by much. Heck, Hit's power actually can'tincrease all at onceand guess what? Kefla, who knows Hit's technique and has Caulfila's high adaptability (see how quickly she closed her gap with Goku in Martial Arts skills), hightened, would make mince meat out of the purple assassin quicker than your mistaken opinions
 
Xantospoc said:
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...Except Goku's resistance to Hit's time stop was solely based on his precognitive abilities in calculating where Hit was going to strike. Kefla has none of that. Read Goku's profile again before assuming that raw power alone is what broke through the Time Stop:

Goku1


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hit2

A>B>C doesn't apply when you're dealing with hax. Kefla has no showings of resisting Time Stop like Goku and Jiren. Hit takes this with mid-high difficulty. Unless you can show a scan of Kefla resisting, you can't upscale resistances to hax.

Before you say "but Kefla can just precog like Goku", how, again? Goku has way more combat experience, and that was pretty clear in all of his fights with Caulifla and Kale. All Kefla has going for her is power, and against Hit, that isn't enough. There's no statements of Kefla's power surpassing time like Jiren has, or anything like that. To assume she can pull off the same resistances is nothing but wank, whereas Hit has multiple options to kill her, most notably with his durability-negating intangible attacks.
 
LOL Resistance to Time stop is separated. She won't get frozen into the first place. Also, yes, Caulfila has shown to be able to adapt very quickly.

Again, she stomps
 
Xantospoc said:
LOL Resistance to Time stop is separated. She won't get frozen into the first place.
Also, yes, Caulfila has shown to be able to adapt very quickly.

Again, she stomps
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Yes, she will. She has no resistance to it, and Hit canonically leads with Time Stop. Speed is equalized, and Kefla doesn't possess Dyspo's hearing or speed amps, so there's no way she can blitz him before it happens.
 
But it is how it works! People who are above Hit surpass his Time Stop. Which is why he never used it against Goku in his rematch
 
Xantospoc said:
But it is how it works! People who are above Hit surpass his Time Stop. Which is why he never used it against Goku in his rematch
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Except that Goku had already displayed a resistance to it, ergo it was a worthless strategy. Now you're using a proof of example fallacy. Jiren had clearly beaten Goku, meaning Jiren had already displayed the strength necessary to beat Time Stop by your logic, but Hit tried to use Time Stop on him anyway.

Strength =/= resistance to hax.
 
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