Let's Hope This Doesn't Go To Shit This Time: Jonathan Joestar (Phantom Blood) vs Ruby Rose (RWBY)

Speed Equal

Both 8-C

"Speed equal"

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Only one of them needs to be 8-C =P

Ruby has a High 8-C key, and Jon has 8-B, so both are at 8-C

8-B Jon would make this a stomp

duh, thats why its not 8-B

That's a long title =P

I wonder how it will go this time

Bump

I'd like to post this again just in case someone hasn't seen it. Basically, hamon can conduct through forcefield, effectively bypassing it altogether.

Aura ITSELF is what is coating the user in the forcefield, it's clearly proven in the promotional video. Aura does not generate energy to coat the user, it is the energy.

A stand is not your soul, it is a manifestation of your soul. Narrarator explained that (admittedly anime only), even Kira appearing as a soul/ghost proves it, if his stand really was his soul, he would look like Killer Queen. He even summons Killer Queen as a spirit, so his soul clearly isn't Killer Queen. Regardless if you label a stand as a "soul", it's clearly not, since you can't have two souls. Having a manifestation of your soul shattered (in this case, a stand) doesn't necessarily mean your soul shatters, it just means that manifestation created has been destroyed. (Star Platinum having his hand shatter, The World getting shattered and as a result DIO dies, but Jotaro acknowledged that he will regenerate from the wound. )

Aura is not your soul, it is a manifestation of your soul. Promotional video explained that, Pyrrah explained that as well. To say it is not is incorrect, no matter how you spin it. Having a manifestation of your soul shattered (in this case, aura) doesn't necessarily mean your soul shatters, it just means that manifestation has been destroyed.

Joseph using hamo against a tangible manifestation is cano. Aura appears as a tangible manifestation, it's proven when the Grimm, whom lack a soul and therefore aura, are also able to interact against aura.

Now let me REALLY spell this one out for anyone who likes to misinterpret shit:

This means JONATHAN is able to use hamon against TANGIBLE manifestations of the soul, which INCLUDES aura.

There's no difference between Joseph and Jonathan's hamo (or any hamon, really) aside from maybe proficency and potency, and even that is not too far off. If Joseph is able to use hamon against tangible manifestations, this means Jonathan should be able to use it too.

What does hamon bypassing forcefield mean for this fight?

Hamon itself won't really hurt anyone. However, it can still be very effective in either knocking a person out (got me ****** if you want me searching for that in the manga, ask J-Man), or straight up killing them , though it does require to be held there for some time.

It can also override vampires, and humans body control , allowing the hamon user to literally control them from a pinch.

So basically Jonathan has manipulation over Ruby's body with one hamon strike, allowing him to paralyze her, or continually run into his fists until her forcefield shatters.

That being said I vote for Jonathan.

@Professor Onve again that is a>b>c logic

And Jonathan still has to hit ruby which will be extremely difficult when shes blitzing around him with her semblance and rifle recoils while also hitting him with stunning electricity rounds and ice rounds freezing him solid, plus her ap advantage

Mate ya forgot hamon can go through and be channeled through objects for example METAL ground rock grass plus the location would have that all there for jonathan. Also water and a noodle.

I know it's ABC logic, that doesn't make it invalid...? How about a better argument, are you are unable to provide one because I'm correct?

If that was what Ruby always does, then maybe you'd have a point there.

Unfortunately, that is not her fighting style. While she does use ranged combat a lot of the times, she also has a tendency to incorporate her melee form a lot, which puts her at a huge risk during this fight without her knowing. Not only does Jonathan (and hamon users in general) resist slashing/stabbing attacks (that's him taking a full on sword strike from a roided warrior turned vampire), but he can also pump hamon into Ruby while doing it.

So Jonathan has it really easy in this fight, only needing a little bit of hamon to really snowball and win.

Yes, A>B>C logic is invalid. A>B>C logic by definition means that since B can affect A and C can affect B, C must be able to affect A, which is a fallacious argument.

Ruby literally incorporates her ranged attacks into her melee fighting style, constantly using her gun at point blank range against her opponent to ensure a hit. How does blocking a sword from the flat side make you resistant to cutting? And even then tanking a slash from an opponent on your level doesnt instantly make you immune to cutting and slashing attacks from someone over 2x stronger.

A>B>C logic is only invalid if there's something that contradicts it which in fairness is common.

Sometimes however it makes perfect sense

Whether or not this is one of those cases isn't up to me.

Now I dunno anything about Jojo, so I'm not commenting on hamon or whatever, but Weekly is absolutly correct about Ruby's fighting style. Yeah, giving this to Ruby for Range, Mobility and AP advantage.

>AP advantage.

That depends though. Jonathan would scale off a feat that violently shook an entire landscape. What ap would that make jonathan ?.

Also jonathan outranges with the exception of the rifle (which he can block as even will can block projectiles with a hamon forcefield which he did when tarkus launched plenty of debree at him ).

Also mate if ya dont have any idea what the opposistion can do why are ya voting at all?.

I've never seen anything Jojo ever, but I looked over his profile, his stats, abilities, all that and from that judged Ruby superior. I'm allowed to be wrong, but that's my opinion right now. It sounds like your telling me not to comment on matches for characters I'm not intimatly familiar with. If that's the case, I might as well abandon the site altogether. I'm sorry I didn't have access to most media as a child.

@J-Man Get it calced but until then Jonathan scales to Tarkus' .7 tons vs Ruby's scaling to a 1.41 ton feat

Blocking her dust ammo gets him frozen solid or electrocuted or set on fire or just flat out shot as Ruby's bullets have 2x the AP of his durability

Ya realize one touch of hamon would put ruby completely under jonathan control and make ruby a puppet?. That cant think nor move and would litterally run and let herself be pumeled?. Or a hamon charge would cause her heart to fail. Or a powerful enough hamon would ohko .

Or her scythe being a liability.

And Jonathan being able to discharge hamon through the ground thus mitigating range on ruby of which the scythe would also be a perfect hamon conductor for jonathan.

Or the fact jonathan can block shots with a hamon forcefield.

Also his profile is a bit outdated. A class k lifting feat had been calculated for him and he would scale .

At least wait for a proper debate to be had man.

WeeklyBattles said:

@J-Man Get it calced but until then Jonathan scales to Tarkus' .7 tons vs Ruby's scaling to a 1.41 ton feat

Blocking her dust ammo gets him frozen solid or electrocuted or set on fire or just flat out shot as Ruby's bullets have 2x the AP of his durability

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Ya want the scans. Because have the scans.

Ya do realize hamon forcefields mitigate the gap yeah?. It can block otherwise lethal blows.

And frozen and electrocuted wont do much. Fire manipulation would melt as long as he not frozen solid which from the last thread he wouldnt. And electrucution? Hamon apparently has electrucution properties according to lord. MEAning he would have dealt with that as he can take a few discharges of hamon obviously himself .

Yes but he has to:

• Hit her with hamon while she's blitzing around him
• Avoid being cut to pieces by her 2x AP advantage
• While she's hitting him with bullets capable of harming and killing 8-Cs, fire capable of harming 8-C+s, ice that can freeze 8-C+s solid, electricity capable of harming and stunning 8-C+s, and gravity bullets that are far stronger and faster than her normal bullets which can kill regular 8-Cs

His hamon forcefield has 8-C durability, he'd still get damaged by 8-C+ attacks and bullets and they wouldnt stop him from getting frozen solid

And yes, he'd be frozen solid, this is what her ice dust ammo can do

Trying to catch Crescent Rose gets his hand (or whatever limb he tries to stop it with) cut off

Yeah and he could discharge hamon through the ground with a large aoe. Ya think Ruby has ultra instinct? Wont have any clue what would be comibg . Also ya explicitly noted ruby wont do the aura semblance early on last thread.

Not a problem. The moment ruby even tries attacking with the blade that would be the end. Jonathan can endure and has a decent resistance against bladed weaponary and he would hamon the scythe and that would be that.

Hamon forcefields mate.

And? Reminder jonathan was capable of being hit from a casual dio. Doubt a mere 8-C attack will bypass the hamon . Maybe his average durability. When utilizing hampn though?.

"Doubt a mere 8-C attack will bypass the hamon"

It's a 8-C+ attack =P

What does the ice ammo do in the anime? Why use a game footage?.

Also catching the scythe wont do anything. He already had a feat of catching a bladed weapon with enough potency of said blade being able harm dio and he prevented the blade from harming or damaging him with hamon.

Huesito88 said:

"Doubt a mere 8-C attack will bypass the hamon"

It's a 8-C+ attack =P

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And dio 8-B. And hamon prevented jonathan from being splattered. Obviously without hamon Jonathan cant do anything.

TheJ-ManRequiem said:

And dio 8-B. And hamon prevented jonathan from being splattered. Obviously without hamon Jonathan cant do anything.

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8-B Hamon prevented 8-B Jonathan from being splattered

> Yeah and he could discharge hamon through the ground with a large aoe. Ya think Ruby has ultra instinct? Wont have any clue what would be comibg . Also ya explicitly noted ruby wont do the aura semblance early on last thread.

She will see a giant shockwave coming through the ground and she's not dumb enough to let it hit her considering hamon liiks kinda like lightning Dust. And no, ruby spams her semblane even pre-timeskip, she just cant fly with it.

> Not a problem. The moment ruby even tries attacking with the blade that would be the end. Jonathan can endure and has a decent resistance against bladed weaponary and he would hamon the scythe and that would be that.

Her AP is over 2x higher than his durability so no, he will not "endure", he will be losing a limb at best.

>Hamon forcefields mate. And? Reminder jonathan was capable of being hit from a casual dio. Doubt a mere 8-C attack will bypass the hamon . Maybe his average durability. When utilizing hampn though?.

His Hamon forcefield in his 8-C form has 8-C durability going by its feats as opposed to Ruby's 8-C+ Attack Potency. >What does the ice ammo do in the anime? Why use a game footage?.

It does the same thing.

>Also catching the scythe wont do anything. He already had a feat of catching a bladed weapon with enough potency of said blade being able harm dio and he prevented the blade from harming or damaging him with hamon.

Not in his 8-C form he doesnt, otherwise his Durability should be 8-B

8-B Hamon prevented 8-B Jonathan from being splattered

Did ya forget jonathan briefly fought dio before tarkus by a few moments weekly?.

>Forgetting hamon can be passed without being seen till the hamon emerges which would be underneath ruby. Example when Jonathan used hamon when poco moved on him.


Also ya explictly said ruby didnt. Why did ya claim a false point?.

>Pre-timeskip Ruby is only 1.8x stronger than Jonathan, shes stronger but not enough to grant her a guaranteed win. Yes her tornado would blitz and likely oneshot him but she doesnt use her semblance pre-timeskip that often, more relying on rifle recoil to get around. - Weekly 05 25 2018.

Mate claim that what ya want but he has feats of blocking bladed weapons from foes above him and doing so with minimal effort and doing hamon. Without the blade even cutting him.

Then lets post anime footage then.

Yeah except durability with and without utilizing hampn a tad different. He does have 8-C durability. Hamon prevents things up to dio from outright goring him though when put on. Unless ya think luck and pluck couldnt harm dio.

Actually dio 5 times jonathan and will combined. (Although casual phantomdio). Meaning jonathan 10 times below dio while pre tarkus going off will

azeppeli (

claimed that quote).

>Did ya forget jonathan briefly fought dio before tarkus by a few moments weekly?.

You mean when Dio casually overwhelmed both Jonathan and William simultaneously with his Vaporization Freezing and then by bypassing their Ripple attacks with his freezing ability and then left Tarkus and Bruford to kill them while he walked away? Yes, i remember quite well.

>Forgetting hamon can be passed without being seen till the hamon emerges which would be underneath ruby. Example when Jonathan used hamon when poco moved on him.

Ruby has experience fighting and can easily react to Grimm who can instantly pop out of the ground as a sneak attack (Creeps), And if she sees her opponent literally attack the ground she's going to know that he's likely sending an attack at her.

>Also ya explictly said ruby didnt. Why did ya claim a false point?.

I was wrong, i had to rewatch a lot of clips of Ruby's fights and she does indeed spam her semblance, just without the ability to fly that she gained after the timeskip. Also i'd like to note that her Semblance tornado also allowed her to injure a Griffon (RWBY).

>Mate claim that what ya want but he has feats of blocking bladed weapons from foes above him and doing so with minimal effort and doing hamon. Without the blade even cutting him.

So now he can block the Master Sword? Or Trunks' Sword? It is a NLF to claim that he can block any sword blow from a feat of blocking a sword from an opponent who is on his level. Luck and Pluck was only able to hurt Dio after Bruford gave it to Jonathan and only hurt Dio because Jonathan infused it with Hamon. The sword itself is not 8-B.

>Then lets post anime footage then.

Here, notice how he wasnt even near the explosion yet he was still half frozen, just like how in the clip i posted before, enemies not directly hit by the attack but who are still in the blast are still frozen, but not entirely so.

> Yeah except durability with and without utilizing hampn a tad different. He does have 8-C durability. Hamon prevents things up to dio from outright goring him though when put on. Unless ya think luck and pluck couldnt harm dio.

The most 8-C Jonathan was able to block was 8-C damage. He only blocked damage from Dio after he became 8-B, hell Dio was able to overwhelm Jonathan several times while he was 8-C. Luck and Pluck only hurt Dio because Jonathan infused it with Hamon, the sword itself is not 8-B.

Cool then why dont ya remember that quote.

Why would jonathan punch the ground and make that obvious weekly he can channel hamon through his feet or well anything but that kind of shit.

Then why did ya claim that? And gonna need an actual number for how often weekly. >Hogh 8-C for defeating a 8-C .

He best of been gored.

And hamon a quite a bit more less obvious than a monster. Wont make noise or move the groubd.

Cut the shit weekly. Youre well aware of the fact that wasnt my point and weekly ruby is only 1.8 jonathan while for example link is what? A few hundred quadrillion?. Jonathan deflecting a blade without the blade harming him at all would upscale a bit.

Ya proved my point weekly. Frozen and frozen complete solid quite different and that quite obviously not the latter option .

Actually once weekly. Dio at the start was above jonathan (although Jonathan damaged him). Fresh dio is only wall or building. Going by quotes Post healing>>>>>Fresh dio>>>post flame. Although apprently jonathan 5-10 of the power of dio. Also fair enough on the hamon amp.

>Why would jonathan punch the ground and make that obvious weekly he can channel hamon through his feet or well anything but that kind of shit.

Why would he do that against an opponent he has no idea the powers of? And Ruby would still see the spark he sends into the ground.

>And gonna need an actual number for how often weekly.

Actual number of...what?

>High 8-C for defeating a 8-C.

Two things. One, it was for stomping an 8-C+. Two, look at the actual reasoning, its High 8-C for tanking hits from Oobleck and Port who are both High 8-C, Oobleck in particular can oneshot mechs that needed significant effort from six students as well as a Semblance amped Yang in order to beat.

>And hamon a quite a bit more less obvious than a monster. Wont make noise or move the groubd.

Um what? Hamon absolutely has a sound, even Speedwagon acknowledged that it makes a noise when its used.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcuoXLCf57c

> Your argument was that since he blocked Bruford's sword this means he can block the blades of any stronger opponent, which is wrong. He has feats of blocking 8-C attacks with his hamon, therefore unless you'd like to make a CRT to add a separate durability to his page for his hamon forcefield, it is only an 8-C forcefield, which Ruby would be able to damage him through.

>Ya proved my point weekly. Frozen and frozen complete solid quite different and that quite obviously not the latter option.

Her ice dust is still capable of freezing her target solid, her freezing Nolan's lower half was because he wasnt hit by the projectile itself, just the AoE of the attack, and being partially frozen would still halt Jonathan's movement until he can unthaw himself and would leave him open to being completely frozen.

Doubt it. Ruby has enhanced eyesight now weekly ?. And why? Because jonathan would ovbiously not let a sneak attack be made blatantly obvious?. Common sense there man. Ruby wouldnt have the ability of which would make ruby see that from the distance of sba weekly.

Of how often as previously ya said ruby didnt.

Yeah of course an overdrive would make sound. Of course a discharge would make far less amount of noise and excluding the fact thats the only mention within the manga of hamon making noise (worded differently also which would be muffled anyeay as ya said ruby would be moving at high speed). A hamon discharge wont make any noise when moving or coming out of an object. At least not the amount needed do what jonathan must on ruby .

>Your argument was that since he blocked Bruford's sword this means he can block the blades of any stronger opponent, which is wrong. He has feats of blocking 8-C attacks with his hamon, therefore unless you'd like to make a CRT to add a separate durability to his page for his hamon forcefield, it is only an 8-C forcefield, which Ruby would be able to damage him through.

Now ya actully putting words directly into my mouth. Nice debating skills Weekly. My point was ruby isnt powerful enough where ruby coukd overcome the resistance and do a large amount of damage from a 1.8 AP advantage (although one of tarkus feats which was around 0.7 was performed with one finger. Asking ya to pinpoint exactly when i claimed jonathan could do that on all oponents. Of course ya cant because obviously i didnt but maybe I did. Show me Weekly.

>Says the admin constantly pointing and mentioning that ruby had high 8 feats and attacks and a bunch of feats that are tiers above the 8-C tier which quite obviously not on the profile.

Also mate his durability is 8-C. While hamon forcefiekds amps that. Its a move a forcefield . A technique. Which isnt his durability. Most profiles that have forcefields dont make a key for the forcefields also (except marvel for some reason) at best weekly ya could maybe put a "higher with forcefield" although that a application of hamon and not durability.

Ya say that yet ya havent posted a frozen completely solid anime feat man.

Also the class k feat. Apparently the monster as a bird weighs far less from a hundred tons of which would be a must for class k. Do ya have a weight for the monster weekly? That would be decent for the Mmatch.

Also on the main topic of dust. Ya excluding the fact jonathan would move and dodge man or do what any decent hamon user cpuld. Knock the dust out of the air.

>Doubt it. Ruby has enhanced eyesight now weekly ?. And why? Because jonathan would ovbiously not let a sneak attack be made blatantly obvious?. Common sense there man. Ruby wouldnt have the ability of which would make ruby see that from the distance of sba weekly.

Yes actually, a nice perk of her Aura is greatly enhanced senses, although you dont need to have extremely enhanced eyesight to see a guy sending what looks like electricity through his body when there are already people in RWBY who can do that. Also speaking of his range, Jonathan only has a range of several meters with his Hamon by channeling it through objects as opposed to Ruby's hundreds of meters with her ranged attacks.

>Of how often as previously ya said ruby didnt.

Well lets see, she used it several times in her debut trailer and in fact it was her leading move, lead with it in a sneak attack against a group of Beowolves in her team choosing exercise, used it in her fight with team JNPR including the slipstream that blitzed and oneshot them, used it several times against the Paladin, used it several times against Roman in his final fight and then used a semblance amped kick to beat a Griffon, used it just to get Penny away from her guards, in short, yes, she spams it.

>Yeah of course an overdrive would make sound. Of course a discharge would make far less amount of noise and excluding the fact thats the only mention within the manga of hamon making noise (worded differently also which would be muffled anyeay as ya said ruby would be moving at high speed). A hamon discharge wont make any noise when moving or coming out of an object. At least not the amount needed do what jonathan must on ruby .

No, all Hamon makes an audible sound, and Jonathan doesnt have the range to hit Ruby in the first place with his Hamon. And if youre really going to go the route of them being unable to hear ttacks due to moving faster than sound, Jonathan wouldnt hear her sniper rounds due to moving around at Hypersonic+ speeds.

>Now ya actully putting words directly into my mouth. Nice debating skills Weekly. My point was ruby isnt powerful enough where ruby coukd overcome the resistance and do a large amount of damage from a 1.8 AP advantage (although one of tarkus feats which was around 0.7 was performed with one finger. Asking ya to pinpoint exactly when i claimed jonathan could do that on all oponents. Of course ya cant because obviously i didnt but maybe I did. Show me Weekly.

"Mate claim that what ya want but he has feats of blocking bladed weapons from foes above him and doing so with minimal effort and doing hamon. Without the blade even cutting him. "
His best durability feat with his forcefield is 8-C. Ruby is 8-C+. She would damage him through it.

>Says the admin constantly pointing and mentioning that ruby had high 8 feats and attacks and a bunch of feats that are tiers above the 8-C tier which quite obviously not on the profile.

Will add them in the morning

>Also mate his durability is 8-C. While hamon forcefiekds amps that. Its a move a forcefield . A technique. Which isnt his durability. Most profiles that have forcefields dont make a key for the forcefields also (except marvel for some reason) at best weekly ya could maybe put a "higher with forcefield" although that a application of hamon and not durability.

That wouldnt change the fact that the best showings of it blocking attacks are 8-C, there is no evidence to prove that it is higher than what it has shown to block so you cannot make a solid argument for it to be higher than 8-C

>Ya say that yet ya havent posted a frozen completely solid anime feat man.

Dont need to, ive already posted all the evidence i need to as the game is 100% canon and the show supports it working the same way as it does in the game

>Also the class k feat. Apparently the monster as a bird weighs far less from a hundred tons of which would be a must for class k. Do ya have a weight for the monster weekly? That would be decent for the Mmatch.

Kep calced it at somewhere low-end Class K

>Also on the main topic of dust. Ya excluding the fact jonathan would move and dodge man or do what any decent hamon user cpuld. Knock the dust out of the air.

Trying to knock the dust bullets out of the air makes them explode, and her Gravity Dust bullets are several times faster than her normal ammo and create miniature slipstreams just by being near them so he'd have to move a considerable distance away to be able to avoid it.

Can someone edit Jonathan´s face on this?

>Yes actually, a nice perk of her Aura is greatly enhanced senses, although you dont need to have extremely enhanced eyesight to see a guy sending what looks like electricity through his body when there are already people in RWBY who can do that. Also speaking of his range, Jonathan only has a range of several meters with his Hamon by channeling it through objects as opposed to Ruby's hundreds of meters with her ranged attacks.

Weekly you know well enough that depending on the distance ruby cant even see shit as miniscule as hamon being sent into the ground. And of course depending on if ruby is close enough to see him do so ruby will probably opt for melee. Would provide scans that would dictate otherwise weekly if ya want although that probably wont do a lot to get ya to conceede as ya often dont even when provided with evidence. Point and case last jonathan ruby thread . Also the range for hamon only factored his weaponary and base and standard equipment weekly . Jonathan plus water or a cliff had far better yeah although jonathan quite obviously wont have a cliff on him at most matches or times weekly .


>Well lets see, she used it several times in her debut trailer and in fact it was her leading move, lead with it in a sneak attack against a group of Beowolves in her team choosing exercise, used it in her fight with team JNPR including the slipstream that blitzed and oneshot them, used it several times against the Paladin, used it several times against Roman in his final fight and then used a semblance amped kick to beat a Griffon, used it just to get Penny away from her guards, in short, yes, she spams it.

Give me a ratio. I can obviously claim goku does a bunch of shit and name off upwards of ten times but excluding the numerous amount of times goku didnt do a thing is dishonest.

>No, all Hamon makes an audible sound, and Jonathan doesnt have the range to hit Ruby in the first place with his Hamon. And if youre really going to go the route of them being unable to hear ttacks due to moving faster than sound, Jonathan wouldnt hear her sniper rounds due to moving around at Hypersonic+ speeds.

No. All hamon makes a sound within the anime. Hamon has been used to stealthily do shit in the manga before. It being incredibly loud would contradict. Also once again claiming shit that was not claimed. The fact that ruby is moving at such speeds. While firing shots and also attacking would drown the sound out. Of course youd extrapolate what i said though to some bullshit point as that


>"Mate claim that what ya want but he has feats of blocking bladed weapons from foes above him and doing so with minimal effort and doing hamon. Without the blade even cutting him. " His best durability feat with his forcefield is 8-C. Ruby is 8-C+. She would damage him through it.

Cool. Then ya couldnt find me saying that? Yeah above him. Which ruby is a tad. Dont recall me claiming any opponent above. But as your current debates have shown youve twist words quite a bit. Also ya claim that but completely ignore his fights with a casual dio. Or will doing a forcefiekds and blocking what would have been otherwise lethal debree. Also funny that ya often claim that ruby characters aura wont be broken quite that easy when fighting characters a tad above yet when the scenario is reversed the point ya make would get flipped around.


>Will add them in the morning

Ya definitely not upgrading ruby a tier because ya feel the need to weekly. Without any debate. Probably dont have a issue myself yeah although ya gota prove that to kep not me .


>That wouldnt change the fact that the best showings of it blocking attacks are 8-C, there is no evidence to prove that it is higher than what it has shown to block so you cannot make a solid argument for it to be higher than 8-C

Dio. Will explictly mentioning Jonathan and him are one of a fifth of dio. Of course as ya conviently didnt comment on the quote three times ya probabky dont have an actual point and counter to that weekly. Or the fact tarkus had a 0.7 feat with one finger which probably would mitigate any ap advantage on jonathan joestar although ya probably not comenting on that again anyway weekly .


>Dont need to, ive already posted all the evidence i need to as the game is 100% canon and the show supports it working the same way as it does in the game

Game mechanics weekly. Also taking that as a conceede as ya probably cant. Post the dust freezing solid while from the anime.


>Kep calced it at somewhere low-end Class K

Ya best post the calculation on the profile then. Also the feat was apparently done with multiple support weekly . At least post the calculation on the match .


>Trying to knock the dust bullets out of the air makes them explode, and her Gravity Dust bullets are several times faster than her normal ammo and create miniature slipstreams just by being near them so he'd have to move a considerable distance away to be able to avoid it.

Yeah no shit weekly. Any more insightful information? He can knock the dust away from a distance. Which may lead ruby encroaching on him. Also speedequal. Unless faster attacks move above the equalized speed of course that being the case would end badly for ruby.

JONATHAN would have a decent or around the same ap. Maybe above from the anthpnio quote and tarkus having a 0.7 feat done while exerting almost no effort and done while utilizing quite literally one finger man .

Then hamon would also make ruby useless and a puppet for jonathan.

Rubys method of attack a scythe would be a liability.

Dust can be quite decently knocked or avoided from a distance and jonathan would exploit that .

Also of course not factoring amping of the environment and making a blockade of sorts the way joseph had or the way he .