Digimon: Data and Network Revisions

So this took a lot longer than I and Ex expected. Like we planned for this to be out last month, but let's just say the internet didn't want that to happen. But now Ex has posted his blogs that are important to this revision and we can now begin with this. Now there is a massive reply made by Ex that I will post immediately after I post this that will help clear any doubts regarding the data portion of this revision as before...well...nothing really happened and it was contested, although according to the one who contested it, Ex's counter wall of text was a good way of explaining and covering inconsistencies. Anyway, we should begin.

Networks and Servers
Starting off, we will discuss the smallest and easiest to understand upgrade. The revisions for the Digimon 2-A's. Based upon the info presented in this blog. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Executor_N0/Digimon_Franchise:_The_Digital_World

Here, the basic gist of this is.

-There are an Infinite amount of Networks ruled by a Host Computer. Each Network is an infinitely expanding realm with infinite Servers connected to it.

-Each Server is an infinite universe on it's own.

What these two facts do to the Digimon 2-A's are;

• All characters who 2-A will be bumped up the 2-A scale to, as I've heard, infinitely above baseline 2-A.

• All Digimon 2-A's ranked as "2-A" will instead be "At least 2-A".

• The likes of Complete Susanoomon and Satan Mode Lucemon (Databook) will be upgraded to "At least 2-A" due to this;

Susanoomon is stated to be able to not only erase entire Networks, but also create new ones.

This doesn't really require much editing, only for those who performed said 2-A feats to which characters scale from to get a detail stating that they can erase entire network systems. Of course those stated to be able to destroy "All Worlds" like Mother Eater gain this by default.

Digimon and Data Revisions
This is the revision I am worried about as it has the potential to be controversial. Based upon details from these two blogs;

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...on_Franchise:_The_New_Digimon_Physiology_Blog

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...Franchise:_Data,_this_subject_is_not_over_yet

Along with the blog I posted earlier, ALL DIGIMON might be getting a new weapon for their arsenals.

So basically I am sure we've long established that data= Mind, Body and Soul for a Digimon correct? We've also attributed this to verse equalization stating that anything that flat out destroys data or uses any similar lingo are still able to be used at full effect as Digimon uses data to also refer to real world things. This much is not an issue.

Now what if I told you that all Digimon could attack the mind and soul with their attacks? Sounds far-fetched correct? Well the thing is, everything we see in the real world is nothing but data to a Digimon. Minds are data, Souls are data, etc. Now one could argue, "well they attack each other all the time, yet we hear nothing about that." This is indeed true. However, as the blogs above explain, the bodies of a Digimon protect them from such attacks. As such, the Digimon never bring up said Soul and Mind punching, because they never actually hit said soul or mind. This is because a Digimon's true form is the Digicore which contains the Mind and Soul of the Digimon. When a Digimon hits that, then that means they bypassed a Digimon's natural resistance to such powers. And without the special protection from the body a Digimon has, they would get punched in the mind and soul 24/7 and most (if any) could barely live. As such those who don't have such a physiology would have their minds and souls striked directly as there is not such protection as for the Digimon, they would just be hitting another form of data. This is shown to affect those in the real world such as in Cyber Sleuth when Veggiemon took control over a man in EDEN (A Digital Space), he still had perfect control over him in the Real World, showing that his real world mind and the cyber world mind made no difference.

As I said, Ex made a detailed comments explaining this and I will post it as I believe my explanation is likely very confusing...

TL;DR

• All Digimon will gain the ability to attack and control the Mind and Soul.

• All Digimon will gain a resistance to Mental and Spiritual Attacks.

This is likely the biggest part here as this means pretty much every file needs to be edited due to this.

Magic in Digimo
Continuing on the "Nature of Data" we have the fact that Magic in Digimon is not magic like other verses. In all actuality, magic is just high level programming. This is proven/stated here;

As such instead of it being treated as normal Magic, it will be treated as Information Manipulation.

Data Terms
So awhile ago I made this blog. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...mon_and_Verse_Equalization_and_Combat_Mindset

Here it explains what many of these terms such as "reduced to 1s and 0s", "disassembles the data", "destroys configuration data", etc actually mean in a vs context. Well, it was agreed to simply label them as "Information Manipulation and Durability Negation".

Of course the required regen to survive these have to be defined. So let me begin.

• Anything with disassemble would require Low Godly to come back from as this means that the target's Mind, Body and Soul have been disassemble completely.

• Anything that outright destroys all the data of something means that the Mind, Body and Soul have all been destroyed. Thus Mid-Godly is required for this.

Of course there are the obvious Erase/Delete terms and "Destruction down to the Atomic level" which can tell people what's going on there.

Well that is everything. Hopefully this goes smoothly. This is likely the last big revision for a bit that doesn't focus on only one character or set of characters.

I should note that this comment of Ex's is more like a counterarguement as well as a way to clear up misunderstandings. For all I know, I might of gotten some things wrong about the data revisions.

"One problem with all this is a big misunderstanding of what Data is and how it relates to Real World stuff. EVERYTHING is formed from Binary Code 0s and 1s, or codes that are derived from binary. The whole constitution of a Digicore is literally a Program of 0s and 1s that constitutes the body that we know as a Digimon. Physical body, souls, minds, etc. are just data arrangements that fulfill a Digicore Programming.

The Physical Body we see of a Digimon is its protective barrier, it is an arrangement of 0s and 1s that protects the Digicore from being hit directly. In other words, it is a barrier of 0s and 1s that protects the Main Essence.

Think of a computer. In it there are several programs can have different extensions like .exe, .rar, .zip, .torrent, etc. Even though they all have different compositions and arrangements, they are all only 0s and 1s.

Even though they all have different compositions and arrangements, they are all only 0s and 1s. So unless a program has a standard Delete protection (like Protected Programs for Administrators) no matter the extension or schedule of it, it will be deleted. Matter, souls, minds, time, etc. are all only 0s and 1s. Data that performs different functions depending on the Digicore programming.

The problem of trying to analyze Digimon like any other work is to try to equate Data with a composition of the Real World, since it is not that. Data is a universal composition, it can be anything depending on their programming.

It does not have data with composition equal to matter or mind or soul, etc. Data are a universal thing, they make up everything that can exist (That is why the Real World is part of the Digital World, not the opposite because the universal contains the particular and not the particular contains the universal).

When something from the Real World is transformed into Data, depending of course on the programming that they are following, the result is simply data. When Takumi had his Mind detached from his physical body the composition of the Takumi Digital Body interacted like any kind of data and not only with Mind Data.

For the Real World there is a clear division. Mind, body and soul are different things in the Real World, their compositions are completely different. In the Digital World, all of them are just Data.

The reason the Digimon affects the mind of humans in Cyber Sleuth is not because a specific Digimon group has this power, but rather because the Digimon are naturally beings of 0s and 1s and can affect Mind Data because Mind Data is just another type of Data.

For the Digimon there really is no difference to them. There is Wireframe that protects Digicore. While Wireframe is not destroyed, Digicore can not be affected unless a Digimon has the power to bypass Wireframe. This is equivalent to the Firewall of a Digimon, it protects Digicore from being affected directly.

A human on the other hand changes from set of particular constitutions to a single universal constitution. In Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth Humans usually just send their Souls and Minds to the Network to create a Digital Body. If this digital body is destroyed then the Physical Body that is left will lose its Soul and Mind. The Digimon interacted directly with the EDEN Avatars, even though they were only bodies that the Mind Data took shape.

As Mind Data is just Data then a Hacker could control this data and thus influence their actual bodies. For this there was the Firewall, it protected the Humans from having their data affected in a free way by a hacker.

What a Digimon does is simply break the Firewall. By doing this a hacker can freely affect the data that was previously protected. And likewise the Digimo can freely affect the actual Data of a Human Being, because the barrier that left those 0s and 1s protected from outside influence was destroyed.

"But Firewall is something physical"

This is literally proof that the correct Digimon analysis is still not being done. The idea of "Physical" in Digimon can not be used to say that something is not the mind or the soul of something. Hisyaryumon has in his hands the souls of Kinryü (Golden Dragon) and Kakuryü (Horned Dragon) and even so they are things as if they were physical objects, he even uses as balls to throw at the opponents. The Four Holy Beast have their 12 Digicores around and they are physical, Gennai even held one in the hand at Zero Two. Digimon like Skull Satamon, Skull Mammon and Candmon all have their Digimon exposed, and are totally physical. Heck, Gravimon could regenerate itself as long as its Digicore still existed. Taiki took the Digicore from Gravimon with his hands.

But that is not because Digicore does not contain the soul, it contains as well as everything that exists from a Digimon within its schedule. It turns out that the Digicore is still only 0s and 1s, and unless a Digimon has the natural ability not to be touched normally by any conventional Date then it will be affected.

And humans face the same thing against a Digimon or any naturally Digital being. As shown in Digimon Universe Appli Monsters if Humans are destroyed in the form of Data, then all their natural existence will also be destroyed (And this is said by a work that specified that everything is transformed into data, even the soul or the mind).

And that goes even outside of the Digital World. Beings like Vamdemon or Wizardmon use Magic (That's a high-level programming language, then not really something magical) in humans even with them in the Real World and even then they are affected. Vegimon was in EDEN and still managed to control humans who were in the Real World while controlling their Mental Data.

The reason why Digimon has shown to be able to control or destroy minds and souls of humans is not because they have this specific ability, but because all this to the Digimon is just another type of Data and Data interact with Data in the same way as any other type of Data unless it has protection. Heck, Pete was the soul of an animal that was caught by a Digital Wave and transformed into a Wanyamon that was touched by any other Data being within history. And we have the example of Mirei who was a Human who was sucked into a black hole created during Project Vitium, her body was destroyed, but now she exists as a data ghost within the Digital Realms and she is tangible to any Digital being. Obviously it would not be if she returned to her Physical World composition. (That's why she can not leave places like the Digital World, at least under normal conditions. The strange events in Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth that were allowing the coming of Data beings to the Real World made it possible for her to go to the Real World).

Wanting to separate different types of Data and place divisions like those in the Real World does not make sense because the Digital World is not the Real World, the Digital World is a world that transcends the Real World and everything in the Real World is actually a part of the composition of the Digital World (This still fits into the explanation of the Digital World being the equivalent of the World of Ideas).

Data is something universal (Everything is reduced to Data). Souls, matter, mind, and anything else in the Physical World are just particular things. Something Particular only affects something Particular (Physical Matter affects Physical Matter), but something Universal (Data) affect something Universal (Data).

In fact, in Digimon there are Digimon that would be like something equivalent to something of the Real World (For example MoonMille and Death-X-Mon that are for the Digimon what something Imaterial is for the Physical World), but these are examples of isolated cases within the franchise.

Based mainly on what the latest information on Digimon has come about (as in Xros Wars, Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth, Appli Monsters, Re: Digitize or Next 0rder) the structure of what is currently the Digital World and the Data is much more complete and than in the past. Obviously you will not be able to find many of these things in older works within the franchise, this is information that was developed just now."

So Rhinomon can beat Low Godly instead of High?

If everything goes smoothly, yes.

Welp, not much I can do in the face of Executor's overwhelming evidence.

When do we start making the changes?

The moment we feel that we have enough people in agreement, we can start.

Reppuzan said:

Welp, not much I can do in the face of Executor's overwhelming evidence.

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99% of people can't do much.

It's Ex No

Seems like a monthly thing where digimon gets more op.

Don't have any issues with the changes.

They deserve it after the possibilities of Higher dimensions got robbed by lost progress.

I kinda touched upon it in the OP, but;

The Network stuff is extremely small. We really only have to edit a few files in terms of adding the Network detail. Everything else will just be adding an "At least" in front of 2-A.

The Data Rrevisions will take a lot of time considering every Digimon gets this buff. So this will be what the bulk of our work will be.

The Magic and Term revisions will be easy as we can just scout the files that use certain terms.

I of course agree.

In case anyone thinks the magic thing might be an inconsistency (older entries tend to be so, like Greymon being the strongest Digimon ever), Piccolomon's entry says pretty much the same thing.

A Fairy Digimon that is fluent in magic. It can recite the advanced programming language of another dimension, allowing it to generate miracles with the appearance of magic. This miraculous Digimon is able to pop up in every place, time, and space, and although its body is small, it can seal away the enemy's abilities with its own special ability, and then pulverize the opponent with a mighty blow. With its mischief-loving personality, it enjoys making computers run wild with its cherished spear, "Fairy Tale", that it always holds in its hands (although it has no ill intent). Its Special Move is a super-powerful bomb packed with computer viruses (Bit Bomb). Despite its appearance, it uses terrifying attacks.

That helps a bunch.

So to specify wording for the Data Revisions.

We should just list Soul Manipulation (Destruction and Control), Mind Manipulation (Destruction and Control) and Resistance to Mind Manipulation and Soul Manipulation.

@Dragon

I'd rather be more specific about it than that.

Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation (Digimon attacks are able to interact with each others' Digicores, which constitute a Digimon's mind and soul. Hence, all Digimon are able to manipulate, attack, and destroy the minds and souls of others), Resistance to Soul Manipulation and Mind Manipulation (The bodies of Digimon shield their Digicores from the attacks of other Digimon, which in turn protect their minds and souls from external interference)

So, I can agree to a lot of this stuff. I can't even argue about the mind and soul stuff (seriously, Digimon needs to stop). However, the only thing I'm iffy on is the resistance. Just because they ca attack mind and soul, doesn't mean they do it, and it only seems like specific Digimon like Vamdemon actually abuse this piece of information (Heh. Information. Data. Digimon. I crack myself up). Besides, that kinda makes every Digimon able to casually negate Low-Godly regen, which would render a whole lot of Digimon's regen, as well as the powers that erase on such a level, redundant and useless.

@Cal

I explained this above. The resistance comes from the fact that the bodies specifically protect them from such attacks. Me and Ex even explain why their attack do attack the mind and soul. As explained above, the only thing keeping them from doing so is because the 1s and 0s protects them. Their natural biology protects them. As such they have a defense from Mental and Spiritual attacks. Myotismon and the others are simply capable of essentially hacking through or just flat out bypassing said defenses. Example, Titamon's sword doesn't care for a Digimon's defenses, it will just go straight for the Digicore. Myotismon can likely just hack through said mental defenses and target the 1s and 0s of the mind directly, despite the Digital Body. For the mind especially, it is shown that for Digital Bodies, there is something akin to a "firewall" that protects the mind.




It's best that you read Ex comment to this above as he addresses these things.

@Reppu

That looks solid to me.

Either way, I will edit the 2-A's with this Network detail and also edit any of the Magic and Data (Term) users as well. Meanwhile, I await for Cal's comment. I'd rather not have a loose end unsolved and the Data Revisions are the main revisions here.

I agree with the revisions.

At what point will we just run out of things to upgrade Digimon with?

When translations are done.

By which, will be a few years since they lost their progress.

When they stop making content or Ex stops finding stuff. ovo

Gargoyle One said:

When translations are done.

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That's as much as an Urban Legend as Databook N.E.O. (Only those who have read our random Digimon convos know who that is)

Composite Digimon

So what other 2-C's other than Complete Susanoomon and Lucemon Satan Mode are gonna be upgraded to At least 2-A?

None. They are the only two.

Really? What about Digimons like Valdurmon who is scaled to Susanoomon and Ogudomon who is supposed to be just slightly below Lucemon Satan Mode. There's also Chaosmon Valdur Arm and UltimateChaosmon who's a fusion of Valdurmon.

Oh, I have no more rebuttals, btw. No need to wait for me. While I do find it strange that Digimon innately resist specifically two of the three of the parts that make up the Digicore rather than all of them, it's not like I can just...disagree with the evidence (well, I can, but that was the old Cal). You have my (begrudging) support ovo.

Now just get me 3-A Triforce and we're eve

I forgot about them. Although we may need to fix Valdurmon's justification. I don't know if it's 100% valid or not anymore. Many things regarding scaling will change. So until then, I want to leave them be until our scaling revision.

Well than I have no other problems. Also some of the matches like Pontos vs Lucemon Satan Mode needs to be removed now.

Oh, while we're on the subject of Digimon, I don't think Quartzmon should be the tier it's at. Quartzmon being High 2-A/Low 1-C via being a result of the clash of DarknessBagramon long-ass-name-mon is like saying celestial bodies are 3-A/Low 2-C via being a result of the Big Bang. Quartzmon should probably be unknown, though there's probably something that scales it to High 2-A anyway.

The real cal howard said:

While I do find it strange that Digimon innately resist specifically two of the three of the parts that make up the Digicore rather than all of them.

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What, you want them to get a Resistance to Body Control as well? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

...maybe ovo. Give everyone and their mothermons resistance to body control, biology, disease, and matter manipulation ovo.

>Celestial bodies are a result of the Big Bang

Cal, do you even astrophysics? ovo

The real cal howard said:

Oh, while we're on the subject of Digimon, I don't think Quartzmon should be the tier it's at. Quartzmon being High 2-A/Low 1-C via being a result of the clash of DarknessBagramon long-ass-name-mon is like saying celestial bodies are 3-A/Low 2-C via being a result of the Big Bang. Quartzmon should probably be unknown, though there's probably something that scales it to High 2-A anyway.

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That I can't answer. I know jackshit about Xros Wars.

Boi, I'm an engineering major. What do you think? ovo

Pretty sure Quartzmon would still scale to DarknessBagramon as they needed a fraction of his powers to defeat Quartzmon. If that doesn't count he would still be At least 2-A via easily overpowering Complete Susanoomon along with all the other mc's Digimon as Astamon.

In fact, the Brave Snatcher - a weapon created from Bagramon's Most Powerful Arm and the power of the old anine protagonists - was the only thing that could destroy Quartzmon. And yet Quartzmon destroyed the Arm and it was necessary to revive the Brave Snatcher using a DigiXros with Arrestadramon SM to be able to destroy the Digicore of Quartzmon.

Like I said, there was something else scaling him to tier 2 lol. If I unlock the page, can you edit that info in its stead?

Unfortunately I'm on my cell phone and it crashes when it comes to an editing page with lots of information. So I can't edit.

So I am going to need help editing the files for the Data Revisions. Reppu, wrote a good and detailed description for the power, so we need to just copy and paste that into the files.

As I said I need help as every file needs this update. This description goes to the earliest evolution stage of the Digimon.

I can sort everything out.

We need people to handle;

-The Chosen Children - Dragon

-Tamers, DATS operatives and Legendary Warriors

-Fusion Fighters -Dark Masters

-Royal Knights- Olympos Xll- Reppu

-Sovereigns- 3 Great Angels- Reppu

-Arbitrators and Original Legendary Warriors

-Various Tamers- Commandment Commanders

-4 Great Dragons- Devas- Dragon

-Other Digimo- Dragon

Anyone willing to take a section?