Itachi Uchiha Vs Dio Brando

Benbenben101010 · Dec 1, 2015

One of the most poweerfull ninja`s of Narutoverse vs one of the most powerfuul character of JoJo Bizarre adventure Who would win?

Conditions:

Itachi have not his disease

*They have not energy waste

*the 2 fights in full power

*equal in speed

*Bloodbust

GreatestSin · Dec 1, 2015

cant dio stop time?

this would be like: *stop time* -> *attack with hundreds of punches directly into itachis face* -> *dio wins* ^_^

Hiei312 · Dec 1, 2015

without prior knowledge the most likely outcome is Dio starts the fight looking at Itachi's face and gets immediately trapped in genjutsu. itachi pretty much always starts the fights casting genjutsu (see deidara, orochimaru, bee, Naruto when he gave him the crow)

Epichambonewin · Dec 6, 2015

Hiei312 said:
without prior knowledge the most likely outcome is Dio starts the fight looking at Itachi's face and gets immediately trapped in genjutsu. itachi pretty much always starts the fights casting genjutsu (see deidara, orochimaru, bee, Naruto when he gave him the crow)

Dio doesn't have Chakra however, so I don't think Genjutsu will work.

Hiei312 · Dec 6, 2015

but that's horribly unfair

at that point you might as well just not use Itachi in any topics anymore since his entire fighting style is based on genjutsu.

i think there's some sort of verse equalization rules for this..it's the same thing that keeps flash from being totally worthless in VS topics since speedforce only exists in DCU. (similarly chakra only exists in narutoverse)

Epichambonewin · Dec 6, 2015

Well, if it does, then i would still give it to Dio 6/10 times because eye contact is required, while the timestop can be activated instantly. On top of that, Itachi still wouldn't be able to see nor attack The World and Dio has Regenerationn. However Susanoo or Amaterasu would likely bypass the latter.

Hiei312 · Dec 6, 2015

genjutsu would leave Dio totally disabled for a while. so Itachi could kill him in whichever way necessary.

i do think if they both fought at absolute full potential dio would instantly time stop and win. but he doesn't just timestop within a nanosecond of his fights starting,

Itachi meanwhile has a history of using genjutsu ASAP, sometimes before the fight even had started proper (which is what he did to deidara). he is one of the most efficient shonen characters in this regard, he goes for extremely unfar insta win tactics in nearly all of his fights..that's why i think he wins. he'll start the fight with genjutsu. dio will start the fight looking at his face. he's not gonna insta time stop before even acknowledging what the opponent looks like.

GreatestSin · Dec 6, 2015

Hiei312 said:
genjutsu would leave Dio totally disabled for a while. so Itachi could kill him in whichever way necessary.

cant "the world" fight without the control of dio? i thought it is similar to star platinum, that would mean that even if dio is trapped in a genjutsu itachi would need to first defeat the world in order to do anthing against dio :I

Minstry_of_pain · Dec 6, 2015

GreatestSin said:
Hiei312 said:

genjutsu would leave Dio totally disabled for a while. so Itachi could kill him in whichever way necessary.

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cant "the world" fight without the control of dio? i thought it is similar to star platinum, that would mean that even if dio is trapped in a genjutsu itachi would need to first defeat the world in order to do anthing against dio :I

Yes stands will activate to protect their wieldera they do not have to command them to defend them it was shown with star platinum and silver chariot. The user can be incapacitated or distracted and the stand will stop incoming attacks on its own free will. I have a feeling when a stand is brought out isn't their surge of energy erupting from the users body and isn't genjustu countered when chakra is flex out through the body and since where doing ki=spiritual energy=chakra the moment dio activates the world it should cancel any genjutsu.

Zouka · Dec 6, 2015

Isn't Dio FTL? He have the advantage when it come to speed here, he should be able to stop time before Itachi set his tsukuyomi.

GreatestSin · Dec 6, 2015

^only if both have infos about each other, otherwise they would use their usual way of beginning a fight

Kawaru_Shotomata · Dec 6, 2015

brando win easy

Hiei312 · Dec 6, 2015

speed was equalized in this topic

the way genjutsu wiill interact with the world is a bit hazy to be honest. Star platinum has displayed self preservation instict before several times, whereas the world really hasn't. in fact it was even suggested at some point that without Dio's personality in control, the world would go berserk . i honestly don't think it'd protect dio at all.

LordAizenSama · Dec 6, 2015

ill give it to Dio via the world hax

Zouka · Dec 6, 2015

Hiei312 said:
speed was equalized in this topic

Then Itachi win.

Benbenben101010 · Dec 7, 2015

What is the conclusion? Who is the winner?

KamiYasha · Dec 7, 2015

Dio. even if they are equal in term of speed, with the time stop spamming of Dio, Itachi have 0 chance of winning.

Hiei312 · Dec 7, 2015

with speed equalized dio will fall in genjutsu before he can time stop

then from the info we have his stand will go berserk instead of protecting him.

KamiYasha · Dec 7, 2015

Genjutsu doesn't work without chakra network. Only Infinite Tsukuyomi can avoid that requirement.

Hiei312 · Dec 7, 2015

that's horribly unfair though

isn't there some sort of verse equalization rules for this? in narutoverse even animals have chakra

look at this

Since being spread by Hagoromo, better known as the Sage of the Six Paths, chakra has become a form of life energy that all individuals produce to some degree; those who run out of chakra will die

chakra became a governing force of the universe in Naruto. nothing can live without chakra, when making topics with naruto characters i think it's only fair to make it so the opponent is considered to have chakra as well

otherwise Flash should be rendered useless when fighting people from other universe since speedforce only works in DCU (there's even a story where he goes to another universe and becomes defenseless)

Valar_Melkor_2 · Dec 7, 2015

KamiYasha said:
Genjutsu doesn't work without chakra network. Only Infinite Tsukuyomi can avoid that requirement.

That makes no sense. If one Genjutsu is proven to work without chakra then they all do, unless you can prove that Infinite Tsukuyomi somehow works differently in it's basic function than other Genjutsu.

Hiei312 · Dec 7, 2015

Plus the arguiment that genjutsu doesn't work without chakra is actually impossible to prove

everything in naruto has chakra. every single thing. that's why Jiraiya used chakra to explain genjutsu.

if you're gonna assume genjutsu doesn't work on people who don't have chakra you might as well say something like "prof X can't use mind hax on people from narutoverse because their brain works through chakra network, which doesn't exist in x-men"

that just seems really dumb to me.

>_>

KamiYasha · Dec 7, 2015

Hiei312 said:
everything in naruto has chakra. every single thing. that's why Jiraiya used chakra to explain genjutsu.

Kaguya put Humanity in a genjutsu before Hagoromo spread the Ninju (Ninjutsu).

And the Chakra began with kaguya and the Shinju Tree.

KamiYasha · Dec 7, 2015

Valar Melkor 2 said:
That makes no sense. If one Genjutsu is proven to work without chakra then they all do, unless you can prove that Infinite Tsukuyomi somehow works differently in it's basic function than other Genjutsu.

No essentially, Genjutsu was explained as a technique which manipulate the chakra network of his/her opponent.

Valar_Melkor_2 · Dec 7, 2015

KamiYasha said:
Valar Melkor 2 said:

That makes no sense. If one Genjutsu is proven to work without chakra then they all do, unless you can prove that Infinite Tsukuyomi somehow works differently in it's basic function than other Genjutsu.

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No essentially, Genjutsu was explained as a technique which manipulate the chakra network of his/her opponent.

No, it was never stated that that was required to work. In fact, Kaguya putting the planet under Genjutsu before they had chakra proves otherwise.

Aparajita · Dec 7, 2015

Doesn't Genjustu affect the natural flow of energy in others? I mean, if Itachi came to Real Life and used Genjustu, we still have "energy" in our brains, wouldn't it still affect us?

I'm not a huge naruto buff, so correct me if i'm wrong.

Also, would Itachi even *use* Genjustu if the fight states both characters are Out of Character? (Bloodlusted)

Hiei312 · Dec 7, 2015

KamiYasha said:
Hiei312 said:

everything in naruto has chakra. every single thing. that's why Jiraiya used chakra to explain genjutsu.

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Kaguya put Humanity in a genjutsu before Hagoromo spread the Ninju (Ninjutsu).
And the Chakra began with kaguya and the Shinju Tree.

that's still total bogus to remove the MAIN aspect of a character (Itachi's whole fighting style is genjutsu based) like that. this is like saying "dio vs Wolverine. but wolverine doesn't have healing factor or adamantium". Itachi without genjutsu is no longer Itachi.

as i said, if we're gonna be that literal with these rules, then we'd need to do really dumb stuff like making flash useless against non DC characters, and forbid all star wars characters from using the force against people from other verses.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Midi-chloria

also bloodlusted doesn't mean out of character. just that they're not gonna hold back. Itachi's main style revolves on using genjutsu to win fights immediately, so that's what he'd do.

KamiYasha · Dec 7, 2015

Valar Melkor 2 said:
No, it was never stated that that was required to work. In fact, Kaguya putting the planet under Genjutsu before they had chakra proves otherwise.

It was stated that it affect the natural flow of energy in others (Chakra)

and how begin the people have chakra? Hagoromo spread it.

So, by the evidences that with have all around the Naruto series it's like this: Only Infinite Tsukuyomi avoid that requirement, then a normal genjutsu can only affect beings with chakra network.

Again this has been discussed along time. whatever are you guys saying isn't anything new.

Valar_Melkor_2 · Dec 7, 2015

KamiYasha said:
Valar Melkor 2 said:

No, it was never stated that that was required to work. In fact, Kaguya putting the planet under Genjutsu before they had chakra proves otherwise.

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It was stated that it affect the natural flow of energy in others (Chakra)
and how begin the people have chakra? Hagoromo spread it.

So, by the evidences that with have all around the Naruto series it's like this: Only Infinite Tsukuyomi avoid that requirement, then a normal genjutsu can only affect beings with chakra network.

Again this has been discussed along time. whatever are you guys saying isn't anything new.

Just because it affects the chakra doesn't mean it can't work without it. Infinite Tsukuyomi working without chakra just shows it can. What exactly makes Infinite Tsukuyomi work differently from other Genjutsu?

Hiei312 · Dec 7, 2015

so am i right in assuming flash is now useless against people outside DCU and star wars characters can't use the force on non star wars characters?

KamiYasha · Dec 8, 2015

Valar Melkor 2 said:
Just because it affects the chakra doesn't mean it can't work without it. Infinite Tsukuyomi working without chakra just shows it can. What exactly makes Infinite Tsukuyomi work differently from other Genjutsu?

To performing the Infinite Tsukuyomi requires the Rinne Sharingan and the chakra of the Ten-Tails.

Genjutsu (Õ╣╗Þíô, Literally meaning: Illusionary Techniques). Like ninjutsu, genjutsu requires chakra and hand seals to be performed. Unlike ninjutsu, the effects of genjutsu are not real, being only illusions experienced by those who fall victim to it.

BUT...have this in mind: Hagoromo was able to free the world from her Infinite Tsukuyomi. Later, with his knowledge of the concept of chakra, Hagoromo travelled across the land, giving chakra to every one in the world as well as spreading his ideals and religion,ninshü, which eventually became the ability known as ninjutsu.

So far the evidences says that before Hagoromo NO ONE had chakra. Therefore Infinite Tsukuyomi works without chakra network. There isn't a single evidence that normal genjutsus works without chakra.

Faisal_Shourov · Dec 8, 2015

Hiei312 said:
so am i right in assuming flash is now useless against people outside DCU and star wars characters can't use the force on non star wars characters?

flash steals kinetic energy, kinetic energy did not come from shinju tree. it's present in every verse

anyway, by verse equalization genjutsu will be treated as telepathy, so chakra argument is kind of moot

Hiei312 · Dec 8, 2015

that's exactly my point

genjutsu should just be treated as telepathy.

flash can only steal kinetic energy from the speed force. in DCU all beings draw kinetic energy from speedforce. that's not the case anywhere else so without verse equalization Flash wouldn't be able to do that

similarly star wars characters wouldn't be able to use force against people from other universes because they don't have Midichlorians.

Geomancertactics · Dec 21, 2015

Jayslice · Jan 28, 2016

Welp clearly Dio isn't just blitzing this guy.

From what i'm reading here.

Sarpanch_Rocks · Jan 28, 2016

Jayslice said:
Welp clearly Dio isn't just blitzing this guy.

From what i'm reading here.

Lol what? itachi isn't even relativistic in speed.

Not to mention, Dio uses time stop on his opponents asap like he did on his first apperance in front of Joesters.

Dio stomps hard.

Jayslice · Jan 28, 2016

Lmao I came here to just have a chuckle at these threads and I see Itachi vs Dio and then Diavolo vs Dio.

Both of these had actual arguments.

Sarpanch_Rocks · Jan 28, 2016

Like?

Jayslice · Jan 28, 2016

Diavolo ending Dio in one timeskip.

Dio starting off looking into Itachi's eyes.

Yeah Dio won't be speedblitzing him.

And Diavolo gets murdered after he erases time.

Sarpanch_Rocks · Jan 28, 2016

What the.....what are talking about?

Itachi Uchiha Vs Dio Brando

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