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He was matching Jiren the moment it triggered.Theglassman12 said:Yes it is, considering it's stated that he gets stronger the longer he fights.
When did Vegeta keep up with UIO Goku? He was a complete joke to Jiren unlike Goku who was able to keep up.Theglassman12 said:so how does that ignore the fact that Goku gets stronger with the form, and that Vegeta is able to keep up with him?
It only shows Jiren was toying with him. Even 17 was able to land hits on him, and on top of that Vegeta already hit Jiren back in 122.Theglassman12 said:the fact that he landed some blows to Jiren shows that he can at least keep up with him.
That doesn't specify which version of UI it is. Anyway, I'll probably make a CRT about it.Therefir said:"By breaking his previous limits each time he attained Ultra Instinct, he was eventually able to fight Jiren somewhat competently with his SSJB form, and was comparable to his previous plateau attained via Ultra Instinct while only utilizing SSJB Kaio-ken x20"
It's in Goku's profile lol
But that's just an assumption. There's more evidence to suggest 2nd trigger UIO Goku would easily crush him since no one stated he got stronger when he fought Jiren, and therefore Kefla would as well.Aeyu said:Vegeta beat Toppo after powering up further. I doubt Kefla could beat Toppo.
As for you only proof I got is Jirens statement "Your attacks are getting sharper" meaning they were improving from previous fights so at least on the level of 2nd trigger UIOJobbo said:Proof that KKx20 = 2nd trigger UIO?
"previous plateau attained" meaning the last limit break definetly specified IMO :/Jobbo said:That doesn't specify which version of UI it is. Anyway, I'll probably make a CRT about it.Therefir said:"By breaking his previous limits each time he attained Ultra Instinct, he was eventually able to fight Jiren somewhat competently with his SSJB form, and was comparable to his previous plateau attained via Ultra Instinct while only utilizing SSJB Kaio-ken x20"
It's in Goku's profile lol
Because it didn't hit him head on, obviously a slight scratch to his elbow won't severely injure him.Aeyu said:You're exaggerating Kefla's abilities to be honest, and downplaying Vegeta's capabilities. Vegeta is definitely not =/= 17, which is what you're currently implying. And "not being able to survive that," is hyperbole, as the attack did graze him and the most it did was...nothing?
Your downplaying Vegeta feats so heres my rebuttleJobbo said:It only shows Jiren was toying with him. Even 17 was able to land hits on him, and on top of that Vegeta already hit Jiren back in 122.Theglassman12 said:the fact that he landed some blows to Jiren shows that he can at least keep up with him.