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Yugioh Anime Thread Season 2

Last Episode, Data said his aeguments on why YGO shouldnt get an upgrade.

1. Because in the same movie, it contradicts the description three times. And before one says it was cheating, a reminder here that the card burning itself up and destroying more than it should is not cheating, its straight up new abilities. Additionally, why would Yugi cheat summon it but not cheat his way around destroying the monster? Not to mention it is the sole example as well when there are other cards that do not even remotely follow the effects.

2. Well it is contradicted by Marik using Chain Energy (It just binds several people outside of it, when it should be sucking their life force without restricting them.), and there were other examples but I would probably have to look through the thread again.
 
1.-I tought we were talking the novel. Anyways, DM has an history of having cards either not following their TCG effects or bending the rules, as explained before, this excuse shouldnt even be considered for invalidating the feat. And, while the card says that it is needed to be sacrificed to destroy a card or cards on the field, it is olay in my book.

2.-It is a chain, if anything, Dark Energy can make cards do different effects, but the point is, that does not matter at all. The sole fact that he is usong a card effect irl is enough for the upgrade to happen.
 
1. That's just the issues with the novel actually, the movie had more. The novel had the description of the inverse effects, not the TCG ones. As for bending the rules, like I said in my comment, that's not bending or even cheating, that's straight up different abilities.

2.Dark Energy is the TCG version, Negative Energy (The in-verse version) actually has a consistent effect. Well the issue is that its using the card sure (Or at least the spell depicted in the card), the issue is that the effect (which was canonically made by Pegasus and has no relation to the actual monster/spell/trap the card was based on) doesn't adhere to what actually happens.
 
1.-Then it aplies to the novel version rules. Could you please post the description for the card in here? But, i dont think it does really matter, because Obelisk's and Knight's effects are mostly consistent.

2.-With "Dark Energy" i meant Millenium Item Dark Game shenanigans. And, again, Anime cards uses different effects than the TCG ones and since its outside a "duel" whoever he restricts has no dorect way to counter it with other magic or trap cards like if they were dueling, so maybe the Anime effect of that chain is different. Also, ITS A CHAIN, i think we should cut the animatiom staff some slack.
 
1. Here: "Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon: Sacrifice Ultimate to summon the mightiest dragon!

"Shining Burst"

Increase its attack power by 300 for each Dragon-type in your Cemetery.

"Shining Flare"

The player can choose whether to have the effects of a Magic, Trap, or Monster that target this card affect it or not. "Shining Nova"

By offering this card as a sacrifice, you can destroy any card on the field."

Well I am not arguing if they're consistent, I'm arguing that card effects =/= irl abilities (As a matter of fact, Obelisk never even showed to have any of the abilities depicted in the card game during Season 5, especially not one that would one shot Zorc)

2. Yeah I know, that's why I have been using the in-verse abilities, not the TCG ones the entire time. Chain Energy is literally only a chain in name, its actually more like Majin Vegeta's Imprisonment Rings. Also, abilities working as abilities depicted in the card game would be on the part of the writers, not the animators.
 
1.-That obelisk is not the same as DM Obelisk, thats the OG Egyptian god that was calced at planet level on its own for the animeverse. And even if it was, it is justified by just being regular obelisk AND Knight of Destiny would still move Yugi to High 3-A if not more. And, while i do have an interest on the specifics, the mere fact that it activated a effect irl is the most important aspect of this.

2.- Well, yeah. Sorry i didnt express myself correctly. But, if you saw a chain or restrictive rings on the pic, youd just put that kn the animation.

But aside from that, it would still be about using a trap card irl to affect rl people.
 
1. DM Obelisk has OG Obelisk's abilities actually to a lesser degree, it was stated when Marik was explaining the history of the god cards, I can provide a link if needed.

I mean, I guess? What happened in irl and what was described in the card effect had differences though. Additionally, Shining Dragon was of Pegasus' own creation, not actually based on the tablets, which could have an impact on this.

2. Well yeah, I'm not arguing it didn't look right, I'm saying the writers didn't give it the abilities written in the card.
 
1) Thats Season 5 Obelisk, aka, his original form. Dark Games power up DM monsters and their Ka, so it is also justified why DM Obelisk could be stronger by sacrificing the other two gods.

2) It still activated a trap card irl regardless of effect.
 
1. It doesn't have to sacrifice two gods, it can be literally any 2 monsters, even Kuribohs.

2. Well yeah (I'm not arguing that they won't come to life, just that the card effects are not appliable)
 
1.-Well, it is still a different exodia and a consistent effect. 2.-Youre wrong. It means THOSE card effects are not applicable. Consistent effects like Obelisk's and Knight's should do.
 
1. Exodia? That actually reminds me, Exodia has a different effect irl too. Actually, no cards have the same effect irl in season 5.

2. Wouldn't that be cherry picking? If the majority of the effects are not the same (card effect to irl wise), why do we assume that the ones who have been consistent only in card form not irl should count as applicable irl?
 
1.-No, No. Obelisk. And no, they do not. And even if they do, we didnt see infinite obelisk in s5.

2.-Well, at most this means Millenium Item users can bend the effects a bit. But that doesnt really matter, it just means that only consistent effects should be used. Obelisk and Knight are consistent enough to be considered.
 
Yeah man, those cards having different effects is not that important, just the fact that they are able to activate effects irl.
 
1. Last time I checked, Exodia doesn't insta-win. Well that's the issue, if Infinite Obelisk is plausible, why wouldn't he have been used that way, given Yugi has done that before.

2.Again, thats an assumption, and a really weird one at that. They're consistent sure, but that's because we haven't seen them irl. That's like me arguing Ultra Instinct is consistently temporary and will be so in the future without noting the context that in the tournament that Goku hasn't mastered it.

@Mega well yeah, it is important. If they can activate their effects but said effects are not the same as the card effect, then we would have to ignore the card effect which is basically how it is right now.
 
1.-I think it is obvious Rapid got the names confused. Infinite Obelisk has always been consistent, even on the Pyramid of Light movie its the same. 2.-Knight of Destiny has only been used once, so that is 100% consistent. And if something that continues to work the same way over and over again it is considered consistent until the rule is broken.

@Me There are a lot of factors you are considering. For example, those effects might be the manga version of the cards used. And the mere act of using a card effect irl is what scales. Now that i think about it, yoir aegument doesnt really make sense with "consistency" since both cards were only used once. If they were used multiple times and did something different each time, youd have a point with "consistency".

If anything, it just means that wathever Marik or Bakura did with the cards would be their anime effect.
 
@Data

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Chain_Energy_(anime)

Do you agree that effects were used in real life?

The effects themselves were only used once on the entire series, which means that they are consistent. Even if they are not the same as the TCG´s. How long has this gone thru? Just let the upgrades happen, man. It has been 4 days.


Its okay dude, just let it go.
 
I agree with effects being usable in real life.

Some cards having different effects between the anime and the manga is common knowledge at this point, and in my opinion, doenst outrule the times effects have been used in the anime.
 
1. Again, I'm not arguing that in-game the effects aren't consistent, I'm stating that when transitioning from from the card game to irl, they have never been consistent.

2. Regarding chain energy. No, it wasn't. I have stated several times that I am comparing their anime card game effects to their anime real life effects, thats the issue. When Marik used it in the card game, the effects were different then when he used it irl.

I have already stated several times I'm not factoring the TCG.

No, I won't let it go? It's kinda a staff member's job to get accurate ratings based on the information they have.
 
1.-That doesnt...really matter, as said above. The only thing that matters is that if they can use effects or not and apply that to the constent effects in the series.


2.- Proof of that? Because even if they do it means Dark Energy can change effects at will. It not really a big issue.

And, you kinda of are using TCG, Data.


I mean, it was already proven that the effects could be used in real life, there is nothing important left to be discussed here anymore. If they can use effects irl it means it scales to Infinite obelisk and Knight of Destiny, and thus, to Ap.


Come on Data, just let go.

I will never let go, rose.
 
1. It does, every time a card became irl its abilities were not the same as the effect. Any card that hasn't become irl, ignores that contradiction by technicality, but because we know the transition generally does not keep the card effect = ability, it would be fallacious to assume both the Knight and Obelisk are exceptions when changing to irl.

2. That's.... again another assumption, a very big one at that.

I haven't used TCG effects at all, I've been using anime effects to compare to the anime irl effects.

Effects that are different tho, that's the issue.
 
1.-fallacious? Dude, we already discussed this. It doesnt make any sense at all.

DM has shown yo be used irl, like i said? If anything, it means the dark magic can be used to bend the effects of the card.

2.-no, not at all. Anime and novel effect only please.

Those card's effects are different, yes.

But that doesnt change the fact that they can use them irl And like i said, it isjust Obelisk and knight that matter.
 
1. No it means that card effects =/= actual effects.

2. Yes, that very much is. Which I've been doing.

Said effects are likely not the same of the card effect tho given how often we are shown they change from being in an anime card game to anime outside of the card game.
 
Yeah, if the effects are different it means it cannot even be used.

And Obelisk used a different effect in Dark Side of Dimensions.

You lost, Rapid.
 
Obelisk has another effect on the anime. Seriously, did you just come here to disagree with me or do you have an argument against DM hax?
 
Like I said before the other thread got nuked, if enough moderators/admin support one side you're essentially forced into a win/loss. But unfortunately not many of them seem to really care to put their input (or rather learn enough of the series to form their own opinion) it seems, otherwise the ones Kukui asked for their opinion would've responded on the other thread, but look how that turned out. I wouldn't consider it their fault, they're most of the time forced to enter a thread to quarantine, and at the end of the day what they care about is whether or not its over with or if they have to make it over with by force, not what the arguments actually present. This series isn't exactly popular, at least not popular enough for people to be interested in discussion, despite what people say. So unless they realize how much it matters for a majority to be created, they'll just continue to do nothing but watch over.

So I guess this really will never end. I'd be glad to being proven wrong about that theory, though.
 
Well, this thread is still on.

And the major thing in this one if DM card effects can be used in real life and thus, to raw AP and hax.


I do support this, mostly because there are many examples of dark game users to e able to do just that, use card games in real life to damage their opponents.
 
1.-It means Duel Monsters can be used irl, those two are not only single instances, they do not change the consistency Infinite Obelisk, Knight of Destiny or the many times DM cards have been used for battle in Season 4, which is canon to the anime.

2.-Novel Shinign Dragon is not the only time Card games have been used in real life, tho. And i do think the evidence outweights some very minor differences.
 
1. Yes, yes, consistent in card game, never depicted outside of it. Literally every anime card effect has at best, had some major revising, at worst, completely different when summoned in the anime outside the card game.

2. Yeah I know, I already mentioned a few most of them with completely different effects. The only one which hasn't had any differences was Sparks, unless you consider the fact that it is significantly more dangerous in anime's real life.
 
@Arigamy

The thing is tho it kind of did end in a win loss.

Even if only two, both Somebody and Dark, who ARE knowledge on Yugioh, agreed with my side of the debate.

The opposition had 0

Even if its only 2 admins, 2 is >>> nothing in this case so the upgrades would be therefore rejected.
 
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