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Altair vs Kars

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Altair beat Rein when she was Low 7-C tho.

Now they're Low 2-C.
 
Nah. Just did not wanna take off matches without say.

Also >no stop Resistance.

Kars time stops.

Power destruction, mind destruction adapts and copies and steam rolls.

Only decent threat is power nullification but Kars has dealt with that kinda. Dio did. And then add passive type 8 his newfound mid-godly and his own power nullification.

Kars eventually wins after a few mid godly deaths.
 
Huh, but has she ever fought a dude with like, 10 Stands?
 
Sir Ovens said:
Huh, but has she ever fought a dude with like, 10 Stands?
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It took her a moment and she showed no signs of struggle at doing it, so I'm guessing she can delete 10 all the same? The fact that she does it remains.

ALRF said:
Reinhard loss against Altair is removed since he actually stomps her
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This board is weeird.
 
Existence erasure seems to be the ability Altair uses most of the time. And there are multiple ways she can use it. She erased Vogelchevalier with a shockwave in the first episode and erased Hangaku with forcefields upon contact and Bayard by stabbing it in Episode 20.
 
Kars stops time, copies and adapt to her abilities and makes them better, Kars uses his new and improved abilities on her, Kars wins.

Anyways my vote is for Kars
 
Low 2-C Altair means she erases the Universe along with Kars. Time stop or any short ranged stand isn't helping much as she's got Existence Erasing Forcefield which will erase Kars just by coming close to her. She can even Outline Origin Kars back to his part 2 pillar men form or rewrite his existence with her or Possess him.

My vote goes for Altair
 
And lol "copying her abilities and uses on her" isn't helping either. Look at Sirius and see how that turned out.
 
Well, the the biggest thing that Kars needs to do is find some way to kill her definitely. Because Altair is capable of possessing Kars after her form is completely destroyed and overwriting his existence with her own.

She can also mimic Kars' powers as well and of course her Regenerationn allows her to come back, and I'm not sure if Kars has a way of preventing that from happening.
 
Cool, Kar's time stop is universal in range, lasts an hour, can affect her, is his go to, and is instant. And he has a ton of ways to incapacitate her. If she somehow can bypass his time stop(which she can't) he can counter the universe erasure or be erased via hoping to another universe and coming back or creating duplicates who will also stop time or use BTD.

She can't nullify his time stop because TWU is acausal which is probably the most important stand that she needs to nullify but since she can't Kar's or his duplicates and can just spam time stop.

And explain why Kar's copying her abilities(which will be superior) and use it on her?
 
Its True that Time Stop would affect Altair, but that's as far as it goes. Coming near her would Erase the very concept of Kars itself due to her existence Erasing invisible Forcefields https://imgur.com/a/WAHgs

Universe Erasure is useless considering she has resistence to Existence Erasure from beings from her own tier on top of EoS Altair Erasing the Universe and Recreating another one casually

Merger Sponges from D4C is also useless via her Mid-Godly Regen and BTD isn't helpful against an Acausal being in a neutral battlefield.

Her power null isn't the same as GER's Zero Reset Willpower Dropping or an average basic power null. It literally erases every plot twists and powerups from a character and returns them back to their weakest state. I don't see how TWU being an Acausal or Kars duplicates help considering she can Erase them all along with the entire Universe.

And the reason why "copy and use her own abilities against her" isn't helpful is because she already fought and defeated someone who possessed the exact same abilities as her and were much more superior to her.

As for how Altair can beat Kars:

She can Erase or Warp the Entire Universe along with Kars and his duplicates instantly

Use Representation Exposition to revise the plot of Kars aka reformat his existence with a thought

Outline Origin Kars back to Part 2 Pillar men form

Use her Probability Manipulation+Possession (Which worked on an Acausal being) to possess Kars

Factor Mimic and copies all his abilities or bring his own version of Kars to fight him. But let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say Kars absorbs copy Kars.

She can use Existence Change to overwrite Kars's Concept and take over his existence.
 
Can't Kars just Whitesnake away her forcefields tho? Especially since the moment he looks at her, he'll understand how she works.
 
Proof of Whitesnake punching and destroying/stealing plot Erasing Forcefields? Because otherwise it'd be nlf to assume so.
 
@RM97 He mean't can't Kars just take her abilities with whitesnake which he can and Whitesnake being non corporeal and intangible long range stand that can take abilities,souls,mind and etc and destroy them or put you to sleep with aoe he should be able to bypass the forcefield.
 
I have read JoJo and I know about Pucci's stands lol. And Yes, her Forcefields are passive and it erases the plot from the Story. Existence Erasure bypasses intangibility and incorporeality (unless said beings can resist it or are immune to it) as it turns Matter, Soul, Mind, Concepts,etc into Nothing. Her Existence Erasure erases Plot itself from the Story. For Whitesnake to work, he has to approach her and punch her, which isn't happening due to her Forcefields.
 
Not true, existence erasure doesn't affect soul, mind, or concepts unless it is explicitly stated or shown to do so.Also Whitesnake still can put her to sleep without needing contact.
 
<Existence Erasure doesn't effect the soul.

That is literally the reason she has Mid Godly in the first place, Existence Erasure and regen inf is Mid Godly
 
Let me rephrase myself. Her Existence Erasure is based on Plot Manipulation and erases the very plot from the Story. The term 'Plot' here can be an object, matter, a being, soul, or even a concept as long as it's a part of the story.

And again she can Erase or Warp the entire universe away along with Kars soon as the match starts as Erasing things is her favorite thing to do.
 
1.He doesn't have to be near her in order to copy and adapt to her abilities.And he spams time stop so she couldn't do anything while he copies her abilities.

2.cool

3.He uses it on himself to go back in time before an event during this battle occur(she erase the universe, he uses BTD, universe is back)

4.She won't get off erasing anything because of time stop.And you even saying that acausals would be immune to the effect of her 13th,14th, and 23rd movement abilities.

5.Cool but this is Kars, who would have her abilities which would be superior and more.

Here's how Kar's will counter all that:

1)Time stop says nope along with non-corporeal stands and dimensional hoping or BTD, copying her abilities (which includes regen her regen).

2)Time stop says nope and I don't know what she would change about Kars unless its like turning his cloth undies into flowers or something

3)Time stop says nope

4)Won't really work on someone with 37 versions of himself and nigh-infinite amount of mind disc and soul discs along with being resistant to soul manipulation.Also based on her profile her probability manipulation wont work here.

5)Time stop says nope and then Kars would copy, adapt, and defeat her all within time stop.

And I don't really know how her existence exchange works tbh so I don't know what the result of that would be.
 
1) Match Begins, Altair erases the Universe along with Kars instantly. We can both play this "who's the fastest gun" in a speed Equalized match.

2) And again, copying her abilities and using them against her isn't doing jack considering she faced someone with the exact same abilities as her in a 1v1 and they still couldn't do anything to her despite being much superior to Altair.

3) BTD is still useless against an Acausal and never shown to work against someone who erases the Universe.

4) Recent revisions have shown her Probability Manipulation affecting an Acausal being. And afaik TWU is Acausal, not Kars himself.

5) And again copying and using a superior version of abilities against her still won't do anything considering Sirius pulled the same thing and it didn't even go well for her.

Counters for Your counters:-

1) For the hundreth time, she can Erase the universe along with Kars. Non-Corporeality isn't helping either and neither will BTD, Power Mimicry

2) She can revise Characteristics about any character. And it isn't Limited to turning things into flowers as she was capable of reformatting Sirius into herself.

3) Time Stop still isn't effective considering Outline Origin is Omnidirectional and just a simple contact with it will erase all the powerups from Kars and returns him into the beginning of the plot aka Part 2 Pillar men Kars

4) Recent revisions show she was able to use that on Sirius who herself was an Acausal. And Kars isn't Resistant to Possession just Soul Manipulation which isn't the same as Possession. Her Possession is finding a blank personality within a character via Probability Manipulation and Possessing him/her.

5) Let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say that it won't work.

6) Existence Change overwrites Kars's Concept and Existence


Your entire Argument is based on Time Stop and Copy which aren't helping because a) Kars can do nothing to her within Timestop due to her Forcefields and b) Copying and using a Superior version of her abilities against her is utterly useless considering she has encountered Sirius and won against her 1v1 even though Sirius had the exact same abilities as Altair and was superior to her in every aspect.
 
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