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Yu-Gi-Oh! Anime DIscussion

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This is strictly for the anime and " another issue " . Here are "some" of the following discussion topics used in the previous thread :

- Anubis . We are discussing what tier he would be if he was actually in the anime canonically. We are also discussing whether we should add the abilities of each card to Kaiba and Yugi's profile as Abilities for the cards in question, due to a perticular statement Anubis said near the end of the Movie.

- What to do with Leviathan and the entirety of the Dragons Arc of the Anime. Tier as well as if it is indeed canon or not to the anime itself. Dartz and the Orichalcos need to be thoroughly explained before concluding this specific topic. However, the Waking of the Dragons Arc is embedded with quite a bit of "inconsistencies" in and of itself, so this topic may take longer than the others.

- The Final Graduation Duel Feat & Scaling . Adult Yugi's Deck as portrayed in the Final Graduation Duel parts 1 & 2 has a Low 2-C feat. Yugi from Battle City's Deck was stated to be the strongest by Judai, also confirmed by Adult Yugi's statement. The issue is many things actually : Who scales to Yugi's Deck ? Does Judai at that point scale to Yugi ? How will this affect the current canon scaling with it, considering GX, 5D's , and DM all are connected with each other via Bonds Beyond Time . Also the fact they are able to move in stilled space-time is another matter we should get into. Whether it is speed related or ability related. This will drastically affect scaling if it is deemed canon, and will likely require a key if it isn't.

- I would also like to discuss Nightshroud and the Gentle Darkness yet again, because a few things weren't brought up before.

- And Possibly the Canonicity between Anime & Manga be discussed. Albeit, if i may recommend, we shuold do it after all the above issues have been dealt with.

Anything relating to the anime specifically [ Whether DM , GX ,5D's, ZEXAL , ARC-V , or V-RAINS ] or the canoncity between anime and manga should be mentioned here only.
 
Good thread.


Anyways. What should the Anime keys/scaling be?

Season 0, Duel Monsters, GX, Capsule Monsters, BBT And Pyramid of Light?
 
Like I said before Pyramid of Light completely contradicts season 5.

Season 0 is 100% non-canon to Duel Monsters if I remember correctly.

Although, thinking it over, they probably weren't thinking about Season 4 (given how unpopular it is) when making BBT, so it would fit even if it doesn't make sense.
 
BBT makes sense even without Season 4.

And since it is referenced by 5ds, its pretty much basic knowledge it is canon to the anime.

Season 0 only contradiction with Duel Monsters is the lack of Miho. And it is meant to be at least connected to Season 0 since we see scenes where Tea is a waitress and Yami Yugi Mind Crushes Ushiro, which only happen in the mentioned season.
 
You misunderstood what I said, BBT doesn't make sense thanks to season 4.

Ye

Season 0 is completely different, Miho isn't the only contradiction. Everything from the character of Dark Yugi to the fight between Kaiba and Yugi is far different.
 
Yugi and Kaiba duel multiple times, in the episode he is introduced, on the Red Eyes Dragon Movie... And Dark Yugi is technically the same person in both seasons. Just like in the manga.

And yes, it does. How does Season 4 affect BBT?

Its not like Leviathan could have been summoned into the world without Duel Monsters
 
By episode 1, in Duel Monsters at least, they only dueled once. Red Eyes movie is canon to season 0, which only contradicts Duel Monsters more. Dark Yugi in Season 0 is more akin to the manga, Dark Yugi (Who is renamed) is the more modern heroic version known today.

Duel Monsters has a different name.

Kaiba's hair. Just... that hair...

Also they're animated by two entirely different companies.
 
1.-There is no mention that they havent dueled before, Duel Monsters was already introduced by DM Episode 1.

And no, In the manga, "Season 0" goes directly into "Duel Monsters" with nothing to separate them, and i think this is another American Goku scenario, the English dub changed most of his lines to be more heroic.

In the Monster Caaado scene on the japanese version, he tells Haga to clean his neck. And in DM Season 1, one censored scene shows Yami Yugi mind crushing a student that was about to sexually abuse Anzu(Tea) and Season 0 Yami Yugi legit cares about Yugi and his friends, he is not as edgy as you might think.


2.-In the Japanese version "Duel Monsters" is a Subtitle. Just like Dragon Ball goes into Dragon Ball Z.


3.-He has brown hair on the Red Eyes Movie without explanation.


4.-How does that matter, exactly?
 
IN season 0 his hair was green... In any other variation his is always brown though.

- The whole red eyes thing.... Yeah i agree with Data

- Technically BBT brings only the Battle City version of Yugi there. Not... The Season 4 variation. So in that sense, Season 4 could be canon to the anime...

- Dark Yugi is closer to how he behaved in the early manga than the anime... To the point they seem like two completely different people.

- The Scaling would be... If everything i stated above is accurate.... Messy at the least, but not impossible to do.
 
1. It was quite explicit they hadn't met before.

I'm not talking about the english dub.

2. No as in the card game. Its Magic and Wizards in season 0.

3. It was due to Toei making more like the original manga from what I remember.

4. Other than being making them completely different adaptations? It would be like me arguing if Madhouse made a DBZ retelling of Season 1, that it should be canon to Toei.
 
1.-Kaiba literally studies on the same school as Yugi, as stated in Season 0.

2.-They play multiple games in Season 0, and he played Duel Monsters against Kaiba, twice. (Not counting the Red Eyes Movie) Kaiba was surprised about Granpa´s blue eyes because he tought he already had all of them.

Not to mention Duelist Kingdom also has similar rules to Season 0 (Area positions, Attacking the Moon, etc.)

3.-I think that there was no canon color for Kaiba up to that point.

4.-They are literally the same person in both series. Specially since we are shown multiple scenes of events that happened in Season 0. Like Tea pouring ketchup all over Yugi and Joey´s food and fighting Ushio.


Like i said, the only thing is that Miho no longer exists.

Imo, Anime scaling should be Season 0 -Duel Monsters-Pyramid of Light- Capsule Monster - Bonds Beyond Time and GX.
 
1. That was literally only in season 0.

2. That is not my point at all, duel monsters is named Magic and Wizards in Season 0.

I'm guessing you're probably getting that info from the wiki? Well, anyways, yes, but it is also mentioned to be because of the manga, rather than anything else.

3. For the movie, yes. For season 0 no.

4. Which is due to the manga, not the anime. You would have to show an season 0 only scene to actually prove your point.
 
@Data

- Are you talking about Kaiba and Yugi ? Or... The protagonists of BBT ? Because we were talking about both.

About BBT : They are treated as separate timelines... Yet connected as past, present, and future simultaneously. The verse is ... weird that way. I'll look into the sub myself to see... So i can not remain ignorant of the differences.

- Oh yeah ! Thanks for reminding me of that

It was similar to the original manga

- I am fine with differentiating between GX Yugi and DM Yugi BTW ... But Judai does know of the Pharoah in that duel , which he only heard from Paradox from the BBT movie... SO that could be a connection to each other [ That would imply that it was Early Season 4 Judai in the movie... Not EoS Judai ]

@Marco

- In Season 0 yes, but in the Anime they had no such connection, neither was he a student of the school

- These events played out similarly to the Anime... Yes i agree it played out exactly the same way. They do have quite a few similarities

- Yes they both did the exact same techniques

- They are the same person,but their personalities don't match exactly.
 
@2nd ah sorry, I should of specified the protagonist part was referring to season 0 not BBT.
 
@Data No problem.

As for the above points i agree that in order for Season 0 and the Anime to be connected, something that only happened in Season 0 [ Which is hard because it's a direct adaptation of the manga... ] happened also in the anime. The only thing is the movie... Which as mentioned above isn't correlated in the manga or anime.... But has major consistencies issues

@Marco

... Hmm... Seems i was misinformed. The other points still stand
 
And, lets adress things in order.

Anime Yugi in the Japanese version has more treatening lines than in the American dub.

Like i said before, in the original version, Yugi tells Haga to clean his neck, in Season 3 there are tons of games that result in death, like against the moon brothers and Arcana like in Season 0 and Season 0 Yami isnt really as edgy as you might think. In the final episode against Bakura, he shows that he legit cares about Yugi and his friends, not to mention that Bakura is also sharing school with Yugi and Kaiba, as stablished in Season 0.


And if they use flashbacks, its safe to assume they are referencing an event that happened in the past. In this case, if it flashbacks to Season 0, it means that Season 0 happened in the past.


And yeah, the name is different, i should check if in the movie its the same.
 
@Marco

- Sure .

- I agree. The whole Weevil scene and "overkill" moment definitely makes it more threatening than the dub in that regard.

- That... Is true actually. I legitimately forgot about Arcana.

- This could be because it was EoS and he was more connected to them. Before they became friends however.... He was a lot more of a different being. I can be proven wrong... Like what happened before

- Yes that would indicate it was connected.

- If it's called Duel Monsters in the movie .... Whelp .
 
Well, its another anime exclusive arc where they are given some armors and they duel with real monsters in an alternate fantasy universe, but i have not seen it, i think someone in the manga thread did, but i have no info on it on terms of feats and whatnot.
 
The fact that he hesitated for even one moment kinda destroys that completely. Also Season 0 Yugi could not even mentally talk to Dark Yugi if I remember correctly.
 
Yami Yugi never killed anyone on Season 0, at least in the anime.

He only mind crushed, and he literally mind crushed Kaiba on Episode 1 of DM after beating him.
 
Didn't he get a bully killed? The guy who looks like the police man in 5Ds?

He mind crushed Kaiba in DM?
 
I think that they were confirmed the same person, they even have the same design. This would also mean that.... Yugi.... in 5Ds.......

Welp that's depressing, but it also makes it impossible for season 0 to coexist alongside the anime.
 
No, he did not die. neither in the anime nor the manga.

He was blinded by greed.


And Ushio is a surname, it can be his grandson.

Not to mention that 5ds happens an unknown amount of time after GX. And Neo Domino is a thing.
 
Information about Yugi was popular knowledge in 5Ds. Yusei litetally learns about Yugi by reading an article about him on the start of the film.
 
Well, no matter the outcome, it does prove season 0 wont coexist with the anime (As Marco said, it could be his grandson)

Now what do we discuss?
 
Not to mention the Legendary Monster statues that show some of Yugi´s and Jaden´s monsters.

They are both legendary in that time, also, it is unknown what happened to either of them.
 
I still think Season 0 has no problems being before Duel Monsters, but if you want to dismiss the topic, lets leave it for another time. (Not that it really matters a lot, since DM Yugi can already mind crush people)


We should discuss what feats could be used to determine his hax and AP.

I might sound like a broken record here, but Anubis used game mechanics in real life in Pyramid, which would make Yugi and Kaiba able to use all of the magic and trap cards on their decks as real life hax.


Bonds beyond time also shows them using magic in real life, like when Jaden used Jubel to create a small fire ball. There is also Yugi´s deck creating a timeline and stopping time just so he can duel Jaden.


And there are multiple feats that involve reality manipulation and soul manipulation.

Like Pegasus bending space on his millenium item duel with Bakura, Eliminating the space where he dueled Yugi during the Dark Game and taking away Yugi´s grampa´s soul with a vhs tape.

Anime Yugi has tons of feats, so please dont forget to add some to this list.
 
Like I said before, Anubis cannot fit with season 5. Choose one to be canon to the anime already.

I don't remember Yubel using a card? I need to rewatch that Yugi's timeline creation feat because that doesn't sound right.

K
 
Just because Anubis isnt mentioned in Season 5 doesnt mean it didnt happen.

After all you cannot prove Zorc was the only thing Atem ever fought.

Not to mention season 3 clips are flat out shown in the movie.


Aside from that, GX had Yubel using a card i dont remember its name to create multiple timelines, which was the reason Jaden was tier 2 a couple of months back.


And in the final episode of GX, Yugi´s deck created a separate timeline were Yugi and Jaden could duel, and when the deck started, time stopped. Jaden even references that fact in the graduation duel
 
I feel Capsule Monsters fits pretty well in the anime timeline.

It happened in episodes 179 and 180 of Yugioh GX. I rewatched it to be 100% sure [ Because believe me... A low 2-C feat in the anime... I had to recheck my evaluation ] , and yeah... It fits in near perfectly . His deck did it... Not Yugi directly . His deck scales because after realizing the deck made the timeline, Judai says Battle City Yugi has the strongest spiritual deck . Also the comments like " This time-spaces was made for Me & Yugi-San " [ A somewhat direct quote ] imply it was created, not just teleportation or just time stopping .
 
That's not the contradiction. Pyramid of Light makes depicts dark magic as something that can be obtained by anyone (whereas the anime is via Zorc, millennium items, or other specific rituals/beings), also Anubis literally took Zorc's role in the hierarchy, Anubis was sealed by Yugi (Zorc was too, but we all know how that panned out), the Pyramid of Light is technically the 8th millennium item, despite it being mentioned there are only 7, despite it not being a secret or anything...
 
Capsule monsters is ok in the timeline, I agree with that
 
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