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Large Dinosaur Tiers

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Why are they all Wall level? I would imagine creatures that are actually building sized to be at least Room level to Small Building level. They would be able to smash through houses via sheer size. It would also suggest far smaller creatures could kill them, which never happened. They should get an upgrade. Even the T. Rex should be Room level
 
The Blue Whale is 8-C via sheer size I think, and yeah, 9-A might be a possibility for those dinosaurs, but we generally need to calc said capabilities. Sauropods for example are most definitely at least 9-A and possibly 8-C.

Though, if T-rex is 9-A that would also probably make African Elephants, Mammoths, and Triceratops scale; but I'm unsure if T-rex is quite 9-A.
 
The Blue Whale's casual KE is 0.0031861376673 tons. So definitely I believe. And yes that would be a good idea. They should be at least 9-A

The T. Rex should be far stronger than Elephants or Mammoths but I think they're Room level too. It wouldn't be surprising if it was 9-A via what it could do and its size/bite. It can actually run faster than said on the profile also.
 
It's a good reminder that even humans can reach very low end Wall level via punches. And any of these animals could kill the strongest human.
 
Well it's also a reminder that there is a gap of ~4200 between low and high ends of Wall level.

Super-massive sauropods like Argentinosaurus, Puertasaurus and Alamosaurus have been estimated to weigh between 60 and 83.2 tons. Another study suggests a top speed of 2 m/s for Argentinosaurus. Plunge the number into a calculator and you get 1.2e5 to 1.664e5 J. While impressive, that's only somewhere in the mid-range of Wall level.

Largest theropods like Tyrannosaurus or Giganotosaurus can exceed 8 tons. The estimated maximum speed of a T.rex is between 11 and 17 km/s. We get a KE of 3.9e4 to 9.4e4 J. Still Wall level. Don't know about converting bite force to J though, but I can guarantee it's at most comparable to KE.

It's important to remember that while they are massive, they are terrestrial animals and have to support their massive bodies with their legs. Real life is not like Jurassic Park where your 6-ton Rex can run after a Jeep without breaking her legs. Comparing terrestrial animals with aquatic ones is a flawed comparison
 
What Byak said. The KE of the fastest Dinosaur and the heaviest dinosaur combined is barely 9-A, let alone any real animals. Blue Whale too is only 9-B.

You guys need calcs to prove that those things are higher than 9-B. That's probably the third time this happens.
 
Even punching a hole in stone is high wall level, which these animals could easily do.

These animals could easily smash through trees or smaller rock formations via their sheer size. By sheer size alone they would be small building level at least. They are far bigger than even houses. A pterodactyl alone has Room level KE and a sauropod would not be injured if a pterodactyl flew into it.

I just searched up a T. Rex's speed and it said 5.2 m/s. Sauropods often killed these theropods even when there was multiple theropods. The KE of dinosaurs isn't what they're limited to. I also remember that bite force being able to bite through very hard steel.

These animals did not break their bodies by running, fighting or falling over. There are numerous theropod species that hunted sauropods and fought with them. The T. Rex has been thought to fight and kill creatures around its size also. And the animals shown in Jurassic Park aren't that far from their actual abilities honestly. They cause as much damage as they actually would. Nature isn't as weak as you think it is.
 
"Sheer size alone" isn't a valid way of finding AP. You need calcs to go with that, preferably KE. And KE shows us that these things are too slow to be 9-A.

No pterodactyl is currently 9-A. The strongest isn't even Wall level+, and that's considering that the thing has Subsonic speed, which is huge for something Giraffe-sized.

Jurassic Park is likely wanked anyway. Their damage to buildings is limited to crashing through walls and such. You must be able to level an entire Building to be 8-C.

You can't just say "Nature is stronger than you think" without proofs. If you could bring us better ways to quantify their AP then we would be onto something.
 
You're just saying that Theropods can eat Sauropods, which means nothing when even the biggest Sauropod is, again, 9-B due to lack of proofs of anything higher.
 
@Saikou The Lewd King:

A bigger thing would naturally be stronger than something smaller outside of fiction. These animals are the same size and larger than houses.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Quetzalcoatlus states it being close to Room level. I would think even an Elephant is Room level via seeing what they can actual do.

They're not made of paper or jelly. They had strength with their size and weight.

The largest sauropod is outright building sized at around 50 meters and the average one is larger than a house. If they fought each other, they didn't have brittle bones.
 
Sauropods also whipped their tails very fast as said on their profiles. That alone would likely be far more than 9-B.
 
They're only bigger than houses due to their necks and tails. The core of their body is smaller than that.

I was somewhat wrong with the Quetzalcoatlus' AP when I wrote the profile. I had weight that was too big, so while it is high-end Wall, it's not meaningfully close to 9-A.

And speed matters more than weight. The Quetzalcoatlus is far faster than any of those sauropods, even if it's far lighter.

Their tail is far too light to have any meaningful result in KE.
 
There is a difference in being able to pierce a Sauropod's skin and force it to bleed out rather than blow it to pieces.
 
Seriously, stop saying "but it must be so much higher" without actual proof. We need calcs that puts them at this level. Ways to quantify their dura/AP at 9-A. Not just wishful thinking.
 
Just like being able to atomize a human is way higher than Street level, you can kill something without having to obliterate the full size of it.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brachiosaurus This is bigger than most houses excluding the long neck/tail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphicoelias Things this big existed as well. Even the size scale shown in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcharodontosaurus shows theropods the same size as houses.

It says close to Room level on its profile.

The Quezalcoatlus flying into a fully grown sauropod wouldn't do much. They never considered them a threat. A sauropod could easily kill them.

Why do you think so?
 
Even largest azhdarchids like Quetzalcoatlus or Hatzegopteryx can only produce 1.63e5 J by flying at altitudes of 4600 m. And they don't hunt by swooping down on prey with that speed. That's basically kamikaze.

Also, theropods hunting large sauropods is also a flawed argument. Just like Saikou said, not only because sauropods don't have speed to support a 9-A ratings, but also "hunting" can mean tearing a chunk out of your massive prey without killing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpaZkVqQAFA&
 
@Byakushiki Setsura:

They flew at superhuman speeds normally. A pterodactyl is one of the weaker things shown. It could probably be killed by a usual lion. It isn't impressive.

Usually, hunting means killing.
 
This, surprisingly, not being a good argument.

Can you tell me the exact value in joule that puts them at 9-A? If not, then this isn't valid. For size to matter in AP, you need speed. Which all of these big nonsense lacks.
 
Can you walk or break through very light wood or dirt? It's like that. As I just showed you, the main body of a sauropod is usually bigger than a house.

Sheer size is a building level reason on many profiles. Where is it said that they need speed to matter?
 
And it's a wrong reason most of the time. Or at least those characters have shown to be much faster than those dinosaurs.

Assuming Mach 2 and 200 kilograms, the results for that would be 47059600 joules. 2x times baseline Wall.
 
Why is it a wrong reason? Even theropods were as large as houses and had the bite force to tear through strong steel.
 
Kaiser, Wall is a massive tier. Being able to knock down a house in a rampage is different than completely leveling it in one shot. "Being as large as a house" would make completely destroying them and leaving nothing behind Building level, but when these animals were killed only small portions of their bodies were damaged at any point. You can bring down a building-sized animal without using building-destroying energy.
 
Steel is Wall level.

Also I'd like to remind you that names for tier are just names. While they do approximately fits within the scale needed to destroy a house, it isn't an automatic 9-A granted if the calcs do not support it.

And being the size of something =/= being said tier. Since by definition, a house-sized explosion would kill you if you're house-sized too.
 
It's the same as most organisms. I wouldn't doubt they would be able to smash through a house either through strength, which would be 9-A at least. They did the same thing to very large trees. That might be, but they fought and overpowered eachother also. There has been multiple cases of dinosaurs being largely injured and having broken bones while still living.

How is steel just baseline Wall level? Steels like that hold up massive buildings.

A dog being a size of a human would usually mean it's the strength of a human, as an example. Strength matches with size.
 
Stop saying "it looks X to me". Prove to me that it is, otherwise what it looks to you is meaningless.

A rock is far more solid than a house, which is just a bunch of walls together. And pulverizing is far more than just knocking down walls.
 
Can I make observations? That smaller elephant threw a truck around with absolute ease, and these dinosaurs are bigger.

Walls are usually made of something strong, along with steel added onto it. And I know that. So why wouldn't it be Room level?
 
Except that your observations alone are meaningless if you're trying to use them to debate this being 9-A. It's just isn't 9-A.

Crashing into cars isn't 9-A, nor anywhere close to it.

Prove that a dinosaur can smash through several walls of solid steel. Because no, most houses aren't made out of steel. Wood or bricks maybe.
 
Why isn't it 9-A? All of these things I have shown could easily smash houses or break rock.

They casually threw around trucks and large cars. How is it not close to 9-A?

Smashing through several walls of solid steel would likely be Building level+. Most houses are made of stone, bricks and some steel to hold it up.
 
To be blunt I won't budge one inch about my position unless you bring a valid calculation with a result in Energy that falls within 9-A of our tier. All of your arguments rely on nothing but speculation on your part and arguments from disbelief.

Can you bring the energy needed to throw around trucks? Can you bring me the energy needed to smash houses? Can you bring me the energy needed to smash through several walls of steel (That no dinosaurs can do)?

Our tiering system is based on energy. The tiers are just approximate categories in order to make AP difference more evident. While approximations ARE used for unquantifiable feats or feats that are quite obvious (Ergo, planet busting can be safely put as 5-B without a calculation), but when we debate something as precise as Real Life, we can't just throw around stuff like "This looks 9-A to me despite having no proofs of it, so this means it's 9-A".
 
Do you want me to calculate them smashing houses/throwing around cars or something?

If I can find it. And I just said that I doubt any of them could smash through several walls of steel.

Observations are okay. I see no rule against it. And approximations are made many times on this wiki and its profiles. Especially for the lower tier or higher tier profiles that I've seen. And this being actual Reality furthers it. What does it look like to you? Even smashing a small piece of stone is apparently Wall level+. Do you think they can't smash a small piece of stone?
 
I think there's a bit of confusion on both sides of the argument. Vs battle wiki uses the maximum kinetic energy or sometimes gravitational potential energy to measure how much destructive power things from the real world have. This is because to destroy or fragment stone it takes about 8 joules of energy per cubic centimeter of stone. The lower bound for wall level is 15000 joules because that is about enough to destroy a fist sized hole in a wall (assuming 9.2 cm thick walls that would require a square shaped hole to have sides of 14cm). However, to to completely destroy an entire room (barely a small building) by fragmentation of all of its stone takes about 2×10^7 Joules at minimum (assuming 9.2 cm thick walls that is 28 square metres so a very small room of 7 square metres per wall). So although animals such as elephants/ rhinosauruses and dinasours such as triceratops can destroy a significantly sized whole in a wall as those animals can generate close to 5×10^5 Joules of KE, it is not enough to destroy all the stone from that room in one impact (5×10^5 J only enough to destroy about 0.68 m^2 of a wall that is 9.2cm thick). This is not to say that those animals could not destroy a room it would just take some time (at least 40 to 50 collisions at maximum speed) which is where I think the confusion lies as it needs to be in a single impact. Argentinosaurus was so large that it had about 5×10^6 Joules of gravitational potential energy just by being on all fours which would be enough to completely destroy a wall of a room. So yes, argentinosaurus could easily destroy all 4 walls of a room by stepping on them. So the members who were saying that large sauropods could basically walk through a building were correct, however, it is necessary to be able to fragment all of the stone in a single impact to qualify for a higher tier which means that even argentinosaurus was still only wall level. One thing I would like to note is that argentinosaurus could stand on 2 legs to raise it's gravitational potential energy to about 10^7 joules (rough estimate) which wasn't considered in its profile.

Also, it was proven that sauropods tails could not withstand supersonic tail whips. Sauropod tails were about 1300kg so if this was the case then they would be way past wall level. In fact, KE = 1/2(1300)(343)^2 = 7.647 × 10^7 Joules. However they actually had a top speed of 30 m/s which gives KE = 1/2(1300)(30)^2 = 5.85 × 10^5 Joules only.
 
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