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Dragon Ball Z Speed Upgrades

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This mainly covers the Saiyan to the Ginyu Saga:

The Regular Upgrade.

The new accepted calc of Piccolo moonbust gives a new speed timeframe of 14.3597099 SoL, which is 0.14c aka Relativistic.

- This upgrades these characters: Raditz, Saibaman, Appule, Sorbet, King Yenma, Goku, Gohan, Piccolo, Yajirobe, Chiaotzu, Tien, Yamcha, Roshi, King Kai, Krillin, Jaco, Bardock and Nappa.

The Controversial Upgrade.

Since Matthew stated we can apply Kaioken multipliers and assuming Base Goku against Nappa should be 8.200 at best:

Vegeta kept up with Kaiokenx2 Goku, which is 0.28c still Relativistic, so no upgrades here. [16,400 to 24,000]

Kaiokenx3 Goku, who is stronger than than Dodoria and Base Zarbon is 0,42c, which should be at least Relativistic. [24,600 to 32,000]

- This upgrades: Kaiokenx3 Goku, Early Namek Vegeta, Transformed Zarbon, Android Yamcha and Tien, Buu Saga Krillin.

Saiyan Saga Kaiokenx4 Goku is 0,56c, which is Relativistic+. [32,800 and beyond]

- This upgrades the Ginyu Force members, Nail, Zenkai Vegeta and Goku, Fused Piccolo, Enraged and Android Gohan, Frieza Forms, Buu Saga Tien.

Note: There seem to be an massive exaggeratio in Frieza Saga, which can give problems since Base Frieza would end up at 9,0c, which is at least FTL from 0,56 x 16,16 since Base 90.000 Ginyu Saga Goku [Who ends up at 1,5c and Ginyu at 2c, which are FTL] is stronger than his Saiyan Saga KKx4 self. Second Form Frieza would end up at at 17c FTL+ and Final Form at over 1536c Massively FTL+ since Frieza is estimated higher than 60.000000 at 100%.

That above is as much controversial as the 5-A Ginyu Saga Goku Kaioken upgrade, which i was against since scaling multipliers like above would have ended up to a massive upgrade like High 4-C to 4-B ratings being much earlier then SS Vegeta and SPC Cell.

NOTE: STAFF ONLY
 
I see no problem with any of this. We accept the Kaioken multiplier, not doing this for the speed would be obvious bias.
 
Scaling multipliers would lead to Saiyan Saga Vegeta being 5-A, Goku Ginyu Kaioken at High 5-A, Frieza at Low 4-C to High 4-C and Cell to quickly 4-B, but this is a speed thread.
 
Seriously, this is going to get 500 posts in two hours. It will become utterly unmanageable.

Where did you pull 9c base Freeza from, though? You can't use PL multipliers, only Kaio-ken. In which case, 90k Ginyu Goku should be 5.6c by virtude of the Kaioken X10. This scales to Post-Merger Piccolo and 2nd Form Freeza.

Base Goku (Post-Zenkai) is then much above his KKx10 Ginyu Saga version, so he is at least 5.6c. Multiply that by 10 and 20x and you get 56c and 112c. This scales to 50% Form Freeza. We can then double Freeza's speed to get the speed of his final form, which is 224c. This scales to Goku.

That's it.
 
This should preferably be a staff only thread. It will be impossible to manage and overview otherwise.
 
Therefir said:
How is Saiyan Saga Vegeta 5-A...?
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Think about it Raditz is 1400, who is much stronger Piccolo, who did a 69 Zettatons feat, said Raditz is 13 times weaker than Raditz.

Frieza casual calc is 1.7 Tenatons, and second form x2 stronger and Final Form is 59 Millions higher than that.
 
Kepekley23 said:
@Cal

We can use Kaioken multipliers, which put them at 224c. That's low-end MFTL.
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It's asinine. No one until WHIS has feats above .15c, let alone thousands of times that. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if DB got immeasurable via Kaio Ken.
 
Using the multipliers to get a FTL rating is no different than using them to get a MFTL rating. Saying otherwise is selective scaling.
 
You can use the Kaioken multipliers linearly, and they result in FTL+ to low-end MFTL ratings.
 
Inb4 KKx20 Namek Saga base Goku blitzes Gotenks.

Edit: I'm getting carried away. I'll do what I said earlier, and I'll hold off until Matt or Azzy arrives.
 
Kepekley23 said:
Also, Goku does have a MFTL+ feat, but it's an outlier.
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Since this isn't related to KK or the Piccolo feat, I'll respond. Toei!Goku may have one, but not canon!Goku.
 
I'll remove the comments of non-staff members as this is already turning unmanageable. If someone has something to say, they can leave a message to a staff member

Edit: thanks for the help Dark
 
Pretty sure we allow Kaioken but not Power level scaling. If Kaioken multiplier boost the calcs to MFTL then that is just how it is. But we do not treat power levels as linear, only Kaioken.
 
Now you're derailing and being condescending Kyle, Cal was the one who said that and he wasn't rude about it at all.
 
You can ask Matthew and Azathoth to comment here if you wish.
 
Looking at the OP, i'm not really sure which multipliers are being used for the Frieza part
 
I used Kaioken x4 0,56c as 32.800 and multiplied it with the number for it to reach 60.000000.
 
He's using normal multipliers, which isn't allowed.

But using the Kaio-ken multipliers still yields FTL+ to low-end MFTL results. See here.
 
That isnt valid, tho. Powerlevels arent correlated to power and speed.

We can only assume the speeds of the ratings reached by Kaioken because thats the only multiplier that boosts speed linearly.

See Great Ape Vegeta, he is not faster than Ginyu, he is only stronger.
 
The real cal howard said:
Yea. Though that was deemed illegitimate later on.
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The multiplier stacking is really, really getting out of hand. People forget we can only use Kaioken. Not power levels nor anything else. W
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
The multiplier stacking is really, really getting out of hand. People forget we can only use Kaioken. Not power levels nor anything else. W
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I agree Matthew, but it's only the note part. I used Raditz 0.14c and multiplied it for 2, 3 and 4, which gave me the results.
 
You doubled frieza's speed at the end, tho.

100% frieza should be at least 112c and that's it.
 
Actually, Freeza states his 50% power holds back both his speed and raw strength IIRC, so doubling is justified.

112c is a fine-low end, in any case.
 
Here's the only thing we can do.

Okay, so apparently Piccolo's Moon-beam is 0.14c. This means that Raditz is casually that fast, Nappa is faster and Goku is slightly faster. So >0.14c

Then with Kaioken x4 he becomes 0.56c.

When he gets on Namek, he is indeed with a higher power level than his Kaioken x4 power level during the Saiyan Saga, thus meaning he is faster. HOWEVER, WE CANNOT SCALE LINEARLY BETWEEN THEM.

This means that Base Goku in Ginyu Saga is >0.56c.

He uses Kaioken against Ginyu, which would make him 1.12c

Wait.

You mean to say that Goku is FTL when he is barely stronger than Captain Ginyu?

When even Base Freeza's Death Ball is not that fast, even though he is miles ahead of either Goku or Ginyu at this point?

Yeah, this is why you can't use power levels.

You can use the Piccolo blast to scale to the Saiyan Saga, which ends up Kaioken x4 Goku at 0.56c.

For the Freeza Saga, use Freeza's calc which ends with 10c 100% Freeza.
 
Also, since we're here: NO ONE is becoming 5-A or High 4-C through sheer scaling. Specially not Ginyu or Freeza's second to casual fourth forms.
 
Condensed for people's sake:

Raditz = 0.14c

KKx4 Goku = 0.56c

Ginyu Goku = KKx4 Goku = 0.56c

Ginyu Goku KKx10 = 5.6c

2nd Form Freeza and Piccolo = 5.6c

Goku Post-Zenkai = 5.6c

Goku Post Zenkai Kaiokenx10 and Kaiokenx20 = 56c and 112c.

100% Freeza = Either at least 112c or 224c via him stating he was at half of his speed and strength. You decide.

Either way, they break into low-end MFTL.
 
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