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who wins and why ?
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who wins and why ?
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FF Cloud vs Zero Z-era
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Cloud one-shots due to his Megafoe calc, but a friend of mine raised two questions that I myself would like answered
1) Does the calc even scale to Safer Sephiroth? All he did was summon a meteor then sun go bye-bye. He doesn't really do anything himself during that period.
2) He said it was non-canon and that there was a kilofoe calc... apparently.
If neither point holds, Cloud one-shots via massive AP advantage. Speed unequalized and I think Zero would win via speed and hax though
If the Second point holds, I'd give it to Zero via superior skill and hax
1) Does the calc even scale to Safer Sephiroth? All he did was summon a meteor then sun go bye-bye. He doesn't really do anything himself during that period.
2) He said it was non-canon and that there was a kilofoe calc... apparently.
If neither point holds, Cloud one-shots via massive AP advantage. Speed unequalized and I think Zero would win via speed and hax though
If the Second point holds, I'd give it to Zero via superior skill and hax
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@Bruce
Limit Breaks are always the maximum exhibition of the user's power. Saying that he isn't responsible for the release of energy is like saying that someone who shoots lightning out of their hands isn't responsible for the lightning because it's the lightning that's doing the damage, not the person.
It's canon and referenced in Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega.
Limit Breaks are always the maximum exhibition of the user's power. Saying that he isn't responsible for the release of energy is like saying that someone who shoots lightning out of their hands isn't responsible for the lightning because it's the lightning that's doing the damage, not the person.
It's canon and referenced in Final Fantasy VII Ultimania Omega.
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1) Yeah, of course, but that feelsl ike it scales more to the power itself (IE, Goku's spirit bomb) than to the person using it, similar to, well, Azula, who isn't nearly as physically powerful as she is metaphysically
2) Lemme rephrase that, is the Japanese version canon? Supposedly, according to a friend, the JP version isn't canon, the other version is (where it just destroys a few planets or something. Maybe someone should calc that? IDK)
2) Lemme rephrase that, is the Japanese version canon? Supposedly, according to a friend, the JP version isn't canon, the other version is (where it just destroys a few planets or something. Maybe someone should calc that? IDK)
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Zero literally has to Time Stop immediately and use durability ignoring attacks. Course it's in character so....
Cloud probably stomps
Cloud probably stomps
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Zero does that in-character, but I'm not sure it matters
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According to the ultimania or whatever, both versions are canon. Also, don't forget that Sephy stands right in the middle of that.
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Both at the start? Maybe ZeroBruceTheBatman said:
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Then I suppose Zero only has a chance if the other calc is somewhat comparable to his own, if there is one.
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@Bruce
The power of a Limit Break is always part of a person, hence the term "limit break" since they're transcending their own physical limits to deliver that attack by channeling their own feelings of anger, sadness, and anxiety. You wouldn't call Goku Low 2-C with just a Kamehameha, would you?
Bullcrap. The JP version is the one referenced in the official handbook. It's been calced already and is on the profile.
The power of a Limit Break is always part of a person, hence the term "limit break" since they're transcending their own physical limits to deliver that attack by channeling their own feelings of anger, sadness, and anxiety. You wouldn't call Goku Low 2-C with just a Kamehameha, would you?
Bullcrap. The JP version is the one referenced in the official handbook. It's been calced already and is on the profile.
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I see. Thank you for clarifying, Reppu. Sorry if I'm sounding ignorant here. I've never even played a Final Fantasy Game.
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hmmm, after viewing Cloud's profile, this is a bit weird for me. Zero is resistant to all of Cloud's hax except his OHKO, which may or may not affect him as he's not a living thing (also, it has to land), and by reverse, Cloud is immune to some of his hax, namely soul hax and his possibly mind manipulation, but is helpless against transmutation/matter hax, absolute zero, time manipulation (both have it but only zero resists it, meaning really only Zero can use it here), and biological manipulation.
Zero's also vastly more skilled and experienced, having fought a more diverse cast of foes for a longer amount of time, being at least close to 10x older than Cloud
Also, his best attacks both aren't necessary and he doesn't need to charge them.
I might vote Zero reluctantly, as ultimately, aside from that massive AP gap, he outclasses Cloud in literally every way. Speed unequalized might even make this a stomp in his favor, since he's like 2,200x faster at bare minimum
Zero's also vastly more skilled and experienced, having fought a more diverse cast of foes for a longer amount of time, being at least close to 10x older than Cloud
Also, his best attacks both aren't necessary and he doesn't need to charge them.
I might vote Zero reluctantly, as ultimately, aside from that massive AP gap, he outclasses Cloud in literally every way. Speed unequalized might even make this a stomp in his favor, since he's like 2,200x faster at bare minimum
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A bunch of questions (sorry if they are too many):
Is Cloud allowed to use materia (magic and/or summons)? Depending on that he can actually get immunity to time manipulation (via gear setup or his own spells). Also, the ribbon protects him against status effects which would include transmutation, mind and soul manipulation (please correct me if I'm wrong, though).
Zero also resists all of Cloud's hax abilities, right? Instant death included? Sorry for the silly question, but didn't see the it in his page, so perhaps it's within other category?
Can Zero's Genmurei one shot Cloud? It says it ignores durability (another silly question, but does that mean it's always a one hit kill?)
The profiles don't go on exact detail, but how big is the difference between Cloud and Zero's durabilities and attack power within the Solar System level?
I've wondered this for a bit as well, but when bringing Cloud's Limit Breaks to the table do they power multipliers count or they are regarded simply as gameplay?
Thanks in advance
Is Cloud allowed to use materia (magic and/or summons)? Depending on that he can actually get immunity to time manipulation (via gear setup or his own spells). Also, the ribbon protects him against status effects which would include transmutation, mind and soul manipulation (please correct me if I'm wrong, though).
Zero also resists all of Cloud's hax abilities, right? Instant death included? Sorry for the silly question, but didn't see the it in his page, so perhaps it's within other category?
Can Zero's Genmurei one shot Cloud? It says it ignores durability (another silly question, but does that mean it's always a one hit kill?)
The profiles don't go on exact detail, but how big is the difference between Cloud and Zero's durabilities and attack power within the Solar System level?
I've wondered this for a bit as well, but when bringing Cloud's Limit Breaks to the table do they power multipliers count or they are regarded simply as gameplay?
Thanks in advance
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@Tarta Answering from what I know
1) I dunno, but Zero isn't magic and afaik it only repels magic, or something, and Transmutation/matter manipulation isn't a status ailment, so much as it is a dura negating power. You may be thinking of petrification. It would probably help him against absolute zero, but it wouldn't save him chances are since Cloud can't even inflict it himself. Also, it isn't in his standard equipment, and a note more or less implies, at least to me, that he doesn't get any materia or summons unless said in the thread, since his materia isn't even known
2) Probably, given he's not alive to begin with, he's a robot, but IDK. He does resist all of Cloud's other powers though
3) Probably not, given it's more an attack then a dura negating power like say, Kienzan, but other abilities he has could, namely his dura negating abilities like transmutation
4) He's about 3000x weaker
5) They increase his power by an indeterminate amount, as far as I can see
1) I dunno, but Zero isn't magic and afaik it only repels magic, or something, and Transmutation/matter manipulation isn't a status ailment, so much as it is a dura negating power. You may be thinking of petrification. It would probably help him against absolute zero, but it wouldn't save him chances are since Cloud can't even inflict it himself. Also, it isn't in his standard equipment, and a note more or less implies, at least to me, that he doesn't get any materia or summons unless said in the thread, since his materia isn't even known
2) Probably, given he's not alive to begin with, he's a robot, but IDK. He does resist all of Cloud's other powers though
3) Probably not, given it's more an attack then a dura negating power like say, Kienzan, but other abilities he has could, namely his dura negating abilities like transmutation
4) He's about 3000x weaker
5) They increase his power by an indeterminate amount, as far as I can see
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I was also wondering if the MegaFOE calc is non-canon, since this is the American version. The Japanese version is EXTREMELY different.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aldmGmAYSW0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aldmGmAYSW0
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Japanese one yields higher values, so...
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Ironically, despite being far less over-the-top, the Japanese version is like... a thousand times stronger.
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If it's stronger, then what's this talk about a KiloFOE calc? Considering the MegaFOE one is the WEAKER version?
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Don't ask me, it's just hearsay from a friend.TeenAngel101 said:
Regardless, let's move on.
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The Japanese version has a higher yield than the international one, ironically.
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No, the International one is.
The Japanese version is stronger.
Also, shouldn't the Japanese one be canon? Since it, you know, originated from Japan?
The Japanese version is stronger.
Also, shouldn't the Japanese one be canon? Since it, you know, originated from Japan?
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Then this is a massive stomp either way, since resistances go both ways with a few exceptions that make Zero the better haxed fighter, but it doesn't matter when the gap isn't big and he's 3000x weaker.
It's a stomp if it's speed equalized too since those few hax I can name Cloud isn't resistant to are in Zero's repertoire somewhat commonly, and Cloud has no way to defend himself.
This should be closed.
It's a stomp if it's speed equalized too since those few hax I can name Cloud isn't resistant to are in Zero's repertoire somewhat commonly, and Cloud has no way to defend himself.
This should be closed.
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Zero cuz he's cooler and edgier.
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Zero's not even that edgy, barring a few moments.
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Also, by this token, since Cloud resists most of Link's abilities, shouldn't that match be removed as well?
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Frankly, should've been a tie anyway, as he lost because Link was debated on his time resistance, which was legitimate.
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Link still can't hurt Cloud, if his resistances are really that good, meaning it's an 11/10 stomp in Cloud's favor unless he doens't have resistances that I'm being lead to believe he has.
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Zero could use intangibility to gain an advantage but depends on wether or not cloud can damage intangibles.
Also there are some cyber elves that allow him to temporarily nullify damage and turn it into vitality so he should get a window to use the hax cloud doesn't resist.
Also there are some cyber elves that allow him to temporarily nullify damage and turn it into vitality so he should get a window to use the hax cloud doesn't resist.
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So if this is a stomp it can be closed
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It's not really a stomp. Cloud can one shot, but conversely Zero can hit him with hax he can't resist and use others to avoid his.
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I'm confused. Is Cloud resistant or not? If he is, he stomps. If not, I'm going with Zero for my reasons aboveAguilaR101 said:
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I don't see resistance to AZ.
Other hax such as matter/bio/soul manipulation would still affect him if his feats of resistance aren't more or less equal to the potency of Zero's own. for example cyber elves can turn every foe in the stage into mettaurs, which makes it more potent than a targeted attack limited to a single opponent at a time but I don't know what cloud's biggest feat of it is at the moment so it's dubious atm.
Other hax such as matter/bio/soul manipulation would still affect him if his feats of resistance aren't more or less equal to the potency of Zero's own. for example cyber elves can turn every foe in the stage into mettaurs, which makes it more potent than a targeted attack limited to a single opponent at a time but I don't know what cloud's biggest feat of it is at the moment so it's dubious atm.
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