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Madara Uchiha vs Jericho Swain

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Swain is far faster in combat to the point where no amount of being a skilled fighter will help Madara, and slightly more destructive/durable as well. Madara's genjutsu (assuming it works on people outside the Narutoverse, I've heard rumors that it doesn't because chakra is not synonymous to a universal life-force type energy) won't buy him the win either, as Swain, fortunately for him, is one of the very few people in the League with canonical resistance to such attacks (as shown when he saw through the illusions presented to him in his judgment, not to mention he has dealings with LeBlanc, a literal illusionist, on a regular basis.)

Madara is... more mobile... and more versatile... and that's about it. Both of which are moot points weighed against Swain's staggering reflexes advantage, so...

Yeah, I'll cast my vote for Swain.
 
Mind explaining why these things automatically grant him a win without any sort of contest, as they seemingly are the entirety of your reasoning?
 
I thought we were using full-power versions of both, that would make the most sense.

@INoto I would imagine so, but it doesn't really go into detail regarding that under his special techniques so I didn't imagine it was anything extremely difficult. What would it require?
 
Except he isn't, he's Continent level. It just ticks me off when people talk about these upgrades like they've happened, when they haven't.
 
Well, if he's Moon Level, then obviously someone disagreed with it and it is thusly not currently accepted, so... if you want that changed, prolly should go ask about it under content revision.
 
ThePerpetual said:
Well, if he's Moon Level, then obviously someone disagreed with it and it is thusly not currently accepted, so... if you want that changed, prolly should go ask about it under content revision.
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And give a good reason why he should be moon level
 
Madara doesn't need speed to beat Jericho he has limbo which cannot be seen or sensed.Which should already give him the edge he also has hax to bypass durability like TSB .

And if you're wondering about blitz beforehand well Madara"s immortality is a key point in this.He got split in half and isn't dying easily .

Madara.
 
CHILLVIBEZZ said:
Madara doesn't need speed to beat Jericho he has limbo which cannot be seen or sensed.Which should already give him the edge he also has hax to bypass durability like TSB .
And if you're wondering about blitz beforehand well Madara"s immortality is a key point in this.He got split in half and isn't dying easily .

Madara.
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Except that Swain literally dealt with exactly that in his judgment, quite nearly word for word.

Besides, incapacitation/KO is always an option.
 
@ThePerpertual

Can he see limbo which in an invisible world? I highly doubt it.And Madara isn't even K.O when you split him.
 
Maybe? It's hard to understand what "Can he see limbo which in an invisible world?" Means. What I can tell you is that one of his primary rivals can shape perception to her whims all the time, and that they either warped reality during Swain's judgment, or else the illusion was so great that it impressed even him. Which, of course, is difficult to do, given that the most powerful magic users of the verse weren't able to do that.

And how would splitting him in half not incapacitate sufficiently?
 
I don't think that proves he'd be able to see or even know about an invisible world.

Because Madara was already split in half and still going at it just fine.He actually didn't care much when it happened to him.lol
 
...that's exactly what that proves though. He deals with invisible/intangible/incorporeal things on a day-to-day basis, why would this be different?

And sure, fair enough. Separating all of his body parts ought to do the trick then?
 
It's not the beings that are invisible they are but it's the fact that they reside in an invisible world itself that's the point..

And that's only for the momentum. Madara would have his limbo clones ambush him easily.
 
Okay, sure. None of this changes the fact that A: Swain fights invisible things regularly, and B: Has explicitly far more experience dealing with them and other mental hax of all sorts than pretty much any other League champion, so what does it matter that they are invisible? Especially given, you know, that he's hundreds and hundreds of times faster.
 
Hundreds faster? Lol nope not even close fighting invisible beings because you can probably see ghosts doesn't mean you can perceive something in another world which is invisible and impossible to detect itself without rinnegan.

Swain blitzes him Madara limbo+TSB ends him
 
"fighting invisible beings because you can probably see ghosts doesn't mean you can perceive something in another world which is invisible and impossible to detect itself without rinnegan."

Massive no-limits fallacy. By that logic, literally the only people that can beat Madara are people from the Narutoverse.

Besides, this isn't even getting into Swain's miscellaneous abilities such as Itachi-style raven teleportation, displacing localized time with the Zhonya's Hourglass, Ravenous Flock continuously refilling his life, et cetera. It's not like he has no answer to this.

And yes, lightspeed is hundreds of times faster than Massively Hypersonic+.
 
Uh first of all saying the obvious is not NFL Whatsoever and besides omniscient beings or Rinnegan users yes they can't be perceived by others...


And since when is he light speed he only has reactions that's not his actual speed.

Teleportation =/= speed ,Madara has all paths he can soul suck him as well or TSB him to nothingness.Limbo is also playing a huge role to his victory.


His actual speed is high hypersonic+ which means he cannot keep up with Madara whatsoever.
 
Reaction speed = combat speed. If one can move their arm like that, then they can swing/attack/blast that fast too. Unless you want me to go back and clarify "and combat speed" on every single profile in the entire wiki where that's the case?

Not to mention, there's a recently-discovered speed feat that he might scale too that's well above that...
 
That's why it's explicitly stated as reaction speed to begin with.

Anyways limbo clones end him.And refilling his life force isn't gonna help with someone who can soul suck you.

Especially given the fact that his limbo clones can perform everything he has.
 
I'm the one who made the page in the first place, I know what it's supposed to mean. If you want me to go back and clarify that it's also combat speed, I will gladly do so.
 
I double checked and apparently his reactions are from magical light based attacks ?


That would make many characters have different stats even Natsu from fairy tail has dodged magical light.


You'll need to prove that the magical attacks are the same as the real elements otherwise Madara blitzes him.
 
CHILLVIBEZZ said:
I double checked and apparently his reactions are from magical light based attacks ?

That would make many characters have different stats even Natsu from fairy tail has dodged magical light.


You'll need to prove that the magical attacks are the same as the real elements otherwise Madara blitzes him.
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It's not quite like that.

Lux's final spark, unlike the other magical light-based attacks even within the same game, is actually a beam, a laser, as opposed to a bolt. Even in-game, you can see that it's instantaneous and therefore impossible to dodge after being fired. Thing is, Swain himself has actually intercepted one with his hand in one of the cinematics after it fired, so... yeah.

Besides, even without that Super Galaxy Rumble flew from the Moon to Earth in what, 3 seconds or so? And guys on his level are above that?
 
Natsu intercepted a magical light laser I'm not even joking when I say that.Even kid Goku dodged lasers I don't see how that's valid..

Btw flying to the moon to earth in 3 seconds is like a MHS+ speed feat .
 
The Everlasting said:
Perpetual literally just said the beam wasn't magic, it's basically just a laser.
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He said unlike other magical light based attacks it's actually a beam so yeah .......
 
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