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Mortal Kombat Revisions

Dark649

Dark649

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Since Raiden let himself to be attacked by his former Revenant allies and there is PIS like Sonya defeating Quan Chi and Jax defeating Liu Kang and etc. This what i propose:

Bottom Tiers

Likely Multi-City Block level: Meat, Mokap.

Low Tiers

Multi-City Block level: Baraka, Kira, Kai, Kobra, Jarek, Hydro, Hsu Hao, Jia, Jataaka.

Mid Tiers

At least Multi-City Block level: Havik, Original Moloch, Drahmin, Johnny Cage, New Noob Saibot, Goro, New Kintaro, New Sheeva, Cassie Cage, Jacqui, Rain, Bo Rai Cho, Frost, Tremor, Kenshi, Smoke, Sonya, Jax, Cyrax, Kano, Kabal, Kitana, Jade, Erron Black, Reptile, Stryker, Hotaru, Sektor, Mileena, Triborg, Mavado, Current Nighwolf, Li Mei, New Ermac, Darrious, Dairou, Sindel, Skarlet, Takeda, Ferra-Torr, D'Vorah, Tanya, Great Kung Lao, Sareena, New Quan Chi, New Shang Tsung. [Via this]

Upper Tiers

Multi-City Block level+: Shujinko, Motaro, Kotal Kahn, Reiko, Kung Lao, Monster, Monster Sareena, Original Sub-Zero, Original Scorpion, Original Noob, Original Ermac, Original Goro, Original Sheeva, Original Kintaro, Original Nightwolf, Chameleon, Khameleon, Ashra, Nitara.

Top Tiers

Town level: New Scorpion, New Sub-Zero, Icons Bi-Han, Raiden, Shao Kahn, Shinnok, Shao Kahn, Onaga, Green Johnny Cage, Green Cassie Cage, Liu Kang, All Powers Shujinko, Heavens From Above Nightwolf, Argus, Fujin, Amped Sindel, Blood God Reiko, Daegon, Taven, Original Shang Tsung, Original Quan Chi. [Via this]

Godly Tiers

Planet level: Unrestricted Argus, Raiden, Fujin, Shinnok, Onaga, Shao Kahn, Blaze, Individual Elder God.

God Tiers

Universe level: One Being, Elder Gods Together.

Speed: SuperHuman for bottom and low tiers. Subsonic via being considerably faster than the bottom/low tiers characters and Kabal likely top speed with Supersonic reactions and combat speed for mid tiers and upper tiers. Massively Hypersonic attack speed for Rain and Chameleon. Massively Hypersonic for the Top Tiers. Massively Hypersonic+ for the Godly Tiers. Omnipresent for the God Tiers.

Note: Raiden listed Class M+, which is exactly Class K+ Lifting Strength was done by him in Base. Class M is better for the Godly Tiers like Blaze. Class 5 for Mid and Upper Tiers. Class 1 for Low and Bottom Tiers. Universal for the God Tiers.
 
I don't think Mythologies was retconned, most likely it changed due to the shenanigans of Raiden at the beginning of MK 2011.

Even the kamidogu changed from the OG timeline to this new one.

I would put Scorpion and Sub-Zero among the top tiers. In the MKX Comic Human Scorpion was confident enough to be able to take down raiden.

Just like you mentioned at the beginning of the OP, Green Johnny and Cassie was most likely PIS.
 
Just gonna say, Quan Chi reacting to Raiden's lightning was already discussed a while back. The main reason for that not going through was that he had actually gotten blitzed by Raiden's lightning numerous times within that same fight, so him blocking it once was deemed an outlier.
 
I agree completely here. Honestly, I kept this to myself. But as a big fighting game fan, our pages on here for many series are ridiculous. This seems fine to me. I am assuming god tiers like unrestricted god Raiden, Fujin, Shao Kahn would be 5-B still?
 
I mean, at that time Shinok was most likely stronger than Raiden. Where Raiden only was able to defeat Shinnok by sealing him on the amulet.
 
No, Katal Kahn was shown to be fight evenly with mid tiers characters such as Reiko and in both his ending and the Raiden one in MKX, he was shown to be defeated.
 
KamiYasha said:
I mean, at that time Shinok was most likely stronger than Raiden. Where Raiden only was able to defeat Shinnok by sealing him on the amulet.
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Ehhh. Maybe? Shinnok vs Raiden when they first fought it was implied (maybe even stated) he got help from the elder gods, which is why life on earth was wiped out if I remember correctly. The second time, I think it was on Raiden mostly being corrupted, having fought him before etc, lead to Shinnoks downfall.
 
Dark649 said:
No, Katal Kahn was shown to be fight evenly with mid tiers characters such as Reiko and in both his ending and the Raiden one in MKX, he was shown to be defeated.
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Makes sense to me. Shao Kahn > Katal by a mile.

Dont quote me on this, I think even Katal himself said he was weaker then Shao Kahn. Shao Kahn was powerful because merging realms, soul eating?? Etc. Although as an aside, still a better character then Shao Kahn is imo.
 
No one can beat shinnok without help all except shao kahn and Omaha probably as shinnok beat raiden fujin Kenshi sonya without much use of his amulet coin as it was on the ground during the fight because johnny kicked him from behind by the way shinnoks abilities are crazy
 
Quan Chi was weakened and he has moments like him getting defeated by Sonya.
 
I honestly don't understand how scorpion even beat Quan chi in the original timeline hellfire vs master necromancer by logic Quan chi, by plot scorpion is a beast who can beat anyone. Another question is how kung jin beat kotal kahn mk logic lol
 
I personally think Quan Chi and Shang Tsung suffered from a lot of PIS fights in IX and X.
 
Kunglao105 said:
I honestly don't understand how scorpion even beat Quan chi in the original timeline hellfire vs master necromancer by logic Quan chi, by plot scorpion is a beast who can beat anyone. Another question is how kung jin beat kotal kahn mk logic lol
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Kotal Kahn isnt...that powerful to be fair. He is not to Shao Kahn levels, but he is above all mid tiers. He is probably closer to Liu Kangs level then I think he is Shao Kahns level imo (minus statements, just by going off feats)
 
Dark649 said:
I personally think Quan Chi and Shang Tsung suffered from a lot of PIS fights in IX and X.
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Sure, It does make sense, the developers really wanted to stretch that story out. We shouldnt complain that much since most fighting games these days dont have a story mode, but it makes our job harder deciding who to scale and who not to.
 
Well, I do question the Sub Boss characters being below Shang Tsung; Tsung is described as being far more dangerous than Goro, but that refers more to his art of deception rather than his raw power. In terms of Raw power, Goro was said to have easily defeated the original Kung Lao, who was more than a match for Tsung. I'm fine with Goro, Kintaro, and Motaro being treated as mid-tiers, I'm just questionable about it is all.
 
I think we should make a clarification for high tiers. High Tiers should be At Least 8-A, Possibly/Likely 7-C. This special circumstance should likely fall under Goro, Motaro maybe, Base Shujinko, and a few others.

These are characters who are above mid tiers, but not really top tiers. But this is if you make the assumption that Goro => Tsung. Which to be honest, I am unsure about as a whole but on paper it sounds reasonable.
 
@Dark if you wanna know who I think qualify as a high tier. The list should be roughly.

Goro

Kintaro

Base Shujinko

Kotal Kahn

Bo Rai Cho.

These guys are generally speaking able to fight the mid tiers fairly easily, but struggle against High Tiers.

The only exception is Bo Rai Cho, who is super powerful based on the assumption he taught Liu Kang, but otherwise he has no feats.

Edit: Also fine with these characters being 'At Least 8-A, Likely Higher'
 
At least 8-A+ could be more fitting and Elder Gods Champion Scorpion can scale along with Motaro since he was going to kill Liu Kang and Sub-Zero had to freeze him, laslty Reiko can also scale. Bo Rai Cho should not scale since we don't know how powerful he is, same for Kintaro, which was defeated by Striker.
 
Having a High Tier between Mid tiers and Top Tiers for characters like Goro, Kintaro and Motaro seems reasonable.
 
I agree with Kintaro and Goro, but not sure about Kintaro since he was defeated by Kung Lao and Striker and killed by possessed Cassie.
 
Dark649 sometimes you can't bade it of plot but by logic because if we judge a characters powers and abilities by plot liu kang and johnny cage would be the strongest with cage Mediterranean green powers can beat gods and liu kang is well Bruce Lee of the mk verse
 
Liu Kang and Johnny Cage only defeated restricted versions of those gods; not their true selves.
 
Shouldn't Sub-Zero have other another key for his more experienced and powerful self, as he is shown in Deception and Armageddon?

Also, it doesn't seem like Mythologies was retconned. In fact, those statements sustain it a lot. ("He once defended Earthrealm from Netherrealm", Cyrax has knowledge that Sub-Zero did face Netherrealm to defend Earthrealm and yet Raiden claims "Lin Kuei have a history of making ruinous choices" such as helping Quan Chi and killing Scorpion during Mythologies). I don't know how one can interpret it as retconning Mythologies, in fact.

Also, why are Sub-Zero, Scorpion and Noob on Mid Tier if Noob oneshot Goro during Deadly Alliance due to Shao Kahn's orders and proceeds to crap on Sub-Zero in Armageddon and Deception(on the second instance, he had help) while Sub-Zero and Scorpion have shown to always be comparable, and during the MKX comic, Scorpion was confident on beating a bloodlusted Raiden and nearly did so? Them being Mid Tier and not even Upper Tier seems really, really weird.

As a tip, I'd say using the Original Timeline as a base would be often better to scale them and not separating them into keys would be optimal. During MK9 and MKX, during the plot of the game, we are at least once per character meant to beat a really powerful character with a weaker one simply because plot. Let's make Smoke beat Shang Tsung, because why not? The Original Timeline was way more consistent in feats and such, so I recommend using it more.
 
No, since his power remains the same. Even if Mythologies is retconned or not, the game is the manifestation of PIS since Sub-Zero easily defeats Scorpion, Fujin, Quan Chi and Shinnok and then gets killed by Scorpion, so he will never be on their level. Raiden was not using his full power on Scorpion, which later was oneshotted by Shinnok. Goro was distracted, that's why Noob attacked him.
 
Even then, this is no Dragonball where one being lowers his ki and can be defeated by weaker ones. Sub-Zero, with his guard lowered, still defeated his apprentice easily.

There is a statement that Scorpion gets stronger continuously while in Netherrealm, so it s possible for that to happen (Even though defeating Shinnok, Quan Chi and Fujin is still quite stupid).

And the other points still stand.
 
But i will not allow them, Sub-Zero just needed to froze Motaro and Frost to win agaist them instead of fighting them and Raiden is comparable to Fujin.
 
You will not allow them why exactly? Yes, Sub-Zero has freezing attacks that can help against stronger enemies, but ignoring the points I've made which in fact use points that were made in the past for respective tiers ("[...] defeated Raide and was prepared to kill the thunder god in MKX Comic") will get you nowhere.
 
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