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Jiren vs Toffee

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Toffe can possibly take this via absorption &....maybe magic but depends how powerful that is?.

Jirens precognition can give his foe a tad of trouble. Then maybe inconclusive...and i believe jiren has more fighting experience
 
Toffee seems to sound more powerful, and his magic is dangerous too I would assume. However, Jiren is more versatile in all other accounts it seems. Furthermore, while Toffee has a better strategic ability by far, and is able to manipulate and break his enemies it seems, Jiren's mindset is seemingly unbreakable and his tactical (Especially important for this, Toffee is said to be prone to tactical defeats) and combatative prowess should be superior to that of Beerus and Whis I presume. IDK who should win, I need a larger list of what exact spells Toffee can do, but Jiren seems to have the advantage in most regards.
 
Magic Wise, Toffee by 1%.

In terms of Strength, and overall badassery. Jiren wins.

It's a 90/10 here. Jiren may have some trouble with Toffee's Magic, but it'll be about as struggling as Hit's Time Stop thing on Jiren (Ya know, when he froze Jiren to time?).

Yeah, sorry Tofee, but...YOU AIN'T GUN DO SHIIITTT!!!
 
I think Jiren seems to be the more likely winner for the reasons above (mostly what fan said), Ki attacks are confirmed to destroy something at a cellular level at least and that's past Toffe's paycheck.

Jiren should probably be a more skilled fighter too unless I'm missing something.
 
Ki should be able to deflect energy based magic, and Jiren should still be able to dodge anything he throws at him even with speed equalized. I would say Jiren with high difficulty after a long battle.
 
Agreed. Also if Jiren was keeping up with Ultra Instinct which outright states to react and evade stuff it shouldn't normally be able to, I feel safe to assume that he could avoid the more dangerous attacks from Toffee here, to a degree or another thus he's the more likely winner as he can also bypass the regen with ki blasts.
 
^Well that's for Goku not Jiren, mastery of self-movement is different from Jiren's precognition.
 
Durabilty ignoring and versitalty should be more than enough for Toffe to win.

And can we not use "Jiren resisting Hit's time skip so he won't have problems with magic" argument cause that's is just sad to look at.
 
Interesting debate. I agree with Blanked in the sense of not saying Jiren resists magic because he resists timestop. That argument is rather invalid. But still. I'd probably need a propper list of Tofee's spells before I would make a final vote. But for the time being. My vote goes to Jiren for being able to shake a completely infinite void with just ki. While surpressing himself. And since Ki can disintegrate on a molecular level (Father-Son Kamehameha beat Cell.) It seems fair to vote Jiren for now. Unless Toffee has some hax I'm unaware of.
 
How is shaking the void high 3-A feat now relevant all of a sudden in a low 2-C combat? Your argument is Jiren can kill him so Jiren wins... Like what.

And he ignores durabilty so that is a good hax...
 
Blanked said:
How is shaking the void high 3-A feat now relevant all of a sudden in a low 2-C combat? Your argument is Jiren can kill him so Jiren wins... Like what.
And he ignores durabilty so that is a good hax...
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Attack Potency: Universe level+ (Even when holding back, Jiren was stated by Supreme Kai to be more powerful than anyone he and the Universe 7 warriors have ever faced, which should make him more powerful than Infinite Zamasu. Stated to have r

eached the

level of a God of Destruction, if not surpassed it completely. His power left Beerus completely shocked, when he was previously only concerned by Infinite Zamasu's power. Even when suppressed, his Ki alone shook the entirety of the World of Void, a dimension of infinite size)

That's low-2c :/ ANd I agree about the hax. I'm not sure if I should change my vote though :(
 
^dude the feat you mentioned is high 3-A.

Jiren is low 2-C scaling from Zamasu. And again don't see the relevance.
 
Huh, I'm going over to other low 2-c profiles. And their attack potency is listed the same as jiren's. :/
 
Ok Kople700 said:
Huh, I'm going over to other low 2-c profiles. And their attack potency is listed the same as jiren's. :/
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Ok, That was worded poorly. Not all low 2-c's might share the same striking strength.
 
Jiren: 2 (AntorusTheBurningThrone, Aeyu, )

Toffee: 1 (Blanked, )

Inconclusive: 1 (ProspectX )

I hope I got the votes right because this is the first successful vs thread I made without it being a stomp.

If I don't get or missed the others vote, I'll update it tomorrow as I'm going to bed soon.
 
Jiren, due to greater stratagy, fighting experience, pre-cog and the fact his energy can destroy at a molecular level at least, I don't see any of toffes abilities being soemthing he can't get around.
 
@chiaki i think you're missing fate for jiren's vote
 
Jiren via pre-cog and mostly due to Fan, Aeyu and Fate's reasonings.

I might change my vote later if I see more of Toffee's magical abilities.
 
TISSG7Redgrave said:
@chiaki i think you're missing fate for jiren's vote
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Oops. I updated it. Hope it's right. Poor Candy Lizard.

Jiren: 5 (AntorusTheBurningThrone, Aeyu, FateAlbane, SSJRyu1, AKM sama )

Toffee: 1 (Blanked, )

Inconclusive: 1 (ProspectX )
 
Jiren: 7 (AntorusTheBurningThrone, Aeyu, FateAlbane, SSJRyu1, AKM sama, Theglassman12, TheJ-ManRequiem )

Toffee: 1 (Blanked, )

Inconclusive: 1 (ProspectX )

I guess grace period time.
 
24 hours after the 7th vote has been count it a dufference of +3.

If its unanimous (no one votes against) and it's not a stomp it can be added right away.
 
You wait for 24 hours, and then submit the results. If it's a decisive win, (aka: one fighter got 7+ votes and the other has none) it can be added immediately.
 
well just too add more to sting Jiren FRA (i like overkill OVO)
 
So this is done then? Can someone request?
 
AntorusTheBurningThrone said:
Magic Wise, Toffee by 1%.
In terms of Strength, and overall badassery. Jiren wins.

It's a 90/10 here. Jiren may have some trouble with Toffee's Magic, but it'll be about as struggling as Hit's Time Stop thing on Jiren (Ya know, when he froze Jiren to time?).

Yeah, sorry Tofee, but...YOU AIN'T GUN DO SHIIITTT!!!
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Toffee is more badass then jiren lmao
 
LuckyCharmingStar said:
AntorusTheBurningThrone said:
Magic Wise, Toffee by 1%.
In terms of Strength, and overall badassery. Jiren wins.

It's a 90/10 here. Jiren may have some trouble with Toffee's Magic, but it'll be about as struggling as Hit's Time Stop thing on Jiren (Ya know, when he froze Jiren to time?).

Yeah, sorry Tofee, but...YOU AIN'T GUN DO SHIIITTT!!!
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Toffee is more badass then jiren lmao
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OHO...OHOHOOOHOHHOO...AHAHAHAHAHAA.....

Okay, that's funny. Yeah, there's no way you can say that.
 
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