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Zero VS Thor
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What's the AP advantage?
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Well, I don't think the strength gap is that much.
1 KiloFOE vs 6 KiloFOE
And this is MMZ-Era Zero, who is multitudes stronger than his previous form.
1 KiloFOE vs 6 KiloFOE
And this is MMZ-Era Zero, who is multitudes stronger than his previous form.
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That not a massive Gap. Still leaning Thor, just wanted to know. Not voting yet.
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Doesn't thor have gigafoe feat? either way I also think Zero's best strategy to win is to freeze time as soon as the match starts and use cyber elves an try to use every negative effect on him , or try and see if some of his other haxes are good enough to overcome his resistances.
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know where Zero's Matter Manipulation comes from and how good is it?
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from creating physical objects out of nothing/weapon energy he can transform energy bullets and damage into energy crystals and weapon energy respectively
otherwise for offensive purposes he has atomizing AZ (redundant) and cyber elves who can transform foes into relatively weak mettaurs and remove insta kill hazards by transforming them into blocks.
not really the "will use tk to dissipate your molecules" kind.
otherwise for offensive purposes he has atomizing AZ (redundant) and cyber elves who can transform foes into relatively weak mettaurs and remove insta kill hazards by transforming them into blocks.
not really the "will use tk to dissipate your molecules" kind.
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Actually, the AP Gap isn't really that big
Omega fought X and Zero and stalemated them, and both were stronger than they were in MMX, that is, 1.2 Kilofoe via Lumine's feat (which didn't even harm them in any significant way)
Then MMZ Zero defeated Omega and Dark Elf after they fused, the latter of whom IIRC is stronger.
If we multiplied both times, that would make MMZ Zero 4.8 Kilofoe at the bare minimum, and likely a good chunk higher, so AP isn't much of a factor here
The Gigafoe feat is an outlier because that would make him stronger than WB Hulk and Sentry who are in the Megafoe
Omega fought X and Zero and stalemated them, and both were stronger than they were in MMX, that is, 1.2 Kilofoe via Lumine's feat (which didn't even harm them in any significant way)
Then MMZ Zero defeated Omega and Dark Elf after they fused, the latter of whom IIRC is stronger.
If we multiplied both times, that would make MMZ Zero 4.8 Kilofoe at the bare minimum, and likely a good chunk higher, so AP isn't much of a factor here
The Gigafoe feat is an outlier because that would make him stronger than WB Hulk and Sentry who are in the Megafoe
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I'm not sure that's how that works.
But the difference between X-Era Zero and Thor is only 5 KiloFOE, and Z-Era Zero is magnitudes stronger than X-Era, so I agree on the AP gap not being that much.
I also agree on the GigaFOE feat being an outlier, since Sentry is consistently established as being as powerful as "a million exploding suns" = 1 MegaFOE, and also consistently established as being incredibly more powerful than any other Marvel 4-B except WB Hulk.
But the difference between X-Era Zero and Thor is only 5 KiloFOE, and Z-Era Zero is magnitudes stronger than X-Era, so I agree on the AP gap not being that much.
I also agree on the GigaFOE feat being an outlier, since Sentry is consistently established as being as powerful as "a million exploding suns" = 1 MegaFOE, and also consistently established as being incredibly more powerful than any other Marvel 4-B except WB Hulk.
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BTW, what's your vote, Bruce?
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I'm working on it
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Omega (After slaughtering most of the population nonstop, presumably including people like Axl and Alia) = X/Elf Wars Zero, both of whom are well above their previous selves roughly 30 (I think, since X8 is around 70 years into the timeline and MMZ is 200 years after MMX) years later, and weren't even remotely harmed by Lumine's attack still.
MMZ Zero > Omega/Dark Elf, two comparable beings. After Zero, without rest, defeated Phantom again, killed the Baby Elves, and curbstomped the Eight Gentle Judges.
MMZ Zero > Omega/Dark Elf, two comparable beings. After Zero, without rest, defeated Phantom again, killed the Baby Elves, and curbstomped the Eight Gentle Judges.
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I was actually considering making this btw.
Now to get into it. I'm gonna start with non-hax abilities since I already detailed why AP is more or less equal
Both of them have energy manipulation and absorption (through similar means as well, since Zero's Saber can absorb energy with certain elves, and Thor's hammer can as well (it's what grants his power nullification, similarly) as well as intangibility They both have statistics amplification (Zero through Cyber Elves and his forms (the former of which is exponential in some cases, incremental in others), Thor via warriors madness and Megingjord). They also share elemental manipulation, but Thor's a bit more versatile. Their roughly comparable in these regards
They actually seem similar in a lot of ways, but I'm going to side with Zero with regards to Statistic Amplification. His statistics amplification (ie, doubling his durability) is permanent, not temporary, and he can increase more than just his power (he can increase speed and durability)
This is just their physical abilities (mostly), and while I think Zero is slightly more effective here overall, Thor also has flight to consider. Additionally, both have Regen, but Zero's is better since his regen should be comparable to Copy X (and superior via Cyber Elves) who has high-low regen vs Thor's Low to Mid-low regen. Stamina is more or less irrelevent, since both have virtually no limit of it as long as they aren't badly harmed
If neither had hax or there wasn't a difference in combative effectiveness (I'll go into that later), this would be inconclusive for me, and the AP difference is pretty marginal. In the regard of non-hax abilities, they're more or less equal.
Before I continue, there's some things I wanna bring up before someone else does because Zero is a machine.
1) Thor's magnetism would not work on Zero, he is barely even affected by massive amounts of magnetism in Z4
2) Electricity wouldn't short out Zero, he tanks electricity all the time
Now we move on to hax
This area is similarly very close, and both share a lot of powers, but this is a bit easier to decide. Zero takes this category. He has almost all of the same hax powers (the one's he doesn't being irrelevent since Zero has dealth with illusion creation, and Zero isn't dumb enough to get into a BFR Portal nor is it in character for Thor, and lastly, Thor hardly ever, IF EVER, uses intangibility in a fight, much less with someone his rough equal), and a few more including time stop (Thor no longer has it), status effect inducement (namely to weaken, freeze or otherwise debilitate Thor), absolute zero, intangible doppelgangers, possibly mind manipulation (debatable, but if he CAN, I dunno if Thor could resist it, since), biological manipulation (specifically transmutation (IE, Turning Thor into an E-Crystal)) all give him a decisive edge over Thor's 3 abilities over Zero
But what REALLY gives Zero the edge here, is resistances. He resists everything his opponent is bringing to the table, even former abilities, and attack reflection/absorption cancels out, since both use them. Meanwhile, Thor's resistances are dubious (as in, possibly) or nonexistent (status inducement), giving Zero a decided advantage.
Lastly, it also helps that Zero uses his hax far more often in-character than Thor, who prefers physical combat
Zero gets the edge in his hax abilities.
Lastly, there's their combative effectiveness (namely, their skill and general approach to combat). I feel like this is the true deciding factor, as they're so close otherwise that I think this fight would be really inconclusive if I didn't go into this.
Skill wise, these two are very close, having hundreds of years of combat experience with tons of weapons against tons of adversaries. They are both also surprisingly cunning when the situation calls for it. Were this a contest of pure, raw skill, I would, once again, say the results are inconclusive. Though it is worth noting Zero carries most of his weapons while Thor just has Mjolnir, that really makes no difference to me.
However, in terms of mannerisms and approach to combat, Thor is at a SEVERE disadvantage. Thor tends to hold back against foes of earthly origins, he is extremely arrogant. Zero, by contrast, goes for the kill immediately and holds no high opinions or views of himself. He is just fighting for those he believes in.
Additionally, I feel that Thor's growing anger (He'd get angry over the course of the fight even without Warrior's Madness, as his frustration with fighting Zero would increase as time went on) would lead him to make a rash move that sends him off course or otherwise opens his defenses, leaving him open to dismemberment (which only Zero would be able to shrug off), decapitation, or a quick stab from Zero. And the reverse does not come into play as Zero is for the most part, completely stoic, Deadpan Snarker moments aside.
Therefore, after a truly epic duel, I give Zero the victory, roughly 6/10, though this is really close.
Now to get into it. I'm gonna start with non-hax abilities since I already detailed why AP is more or less equal
Both of them have energy manipulation and absorption (through similar means as well, since Zero's Saber can absorb energy with certain elves, and Thor's hammer can as well (it's what grants his power nullification, similarly) as well as intangibility They both have statistics amplification (Zero through Cyber Elves and his forms (the former of which is exponential in some cases, incremental in others), Thor via warriors madness and Megingjord). They also share elemental manipulation, but Thor's a bit more versatile. Their roughly comparable in these regards
They actually seem similar in a lot of ways, but I'm going to side with Zero with regards to Statistic Amplification. His statistics amplification (ie, doubling his durability) is permanent, not temporary, and he can increase more than just his power (he can increase speed and durability)
This is just their physical abilities (mostly), and while I think Zero is slightly more effective here overall, Thor also has flight to consider. Additionally, both have Regen, but Zero's is better since his regen should be comparable to Copy X (and superior via Cyber Elves) who has high-low regen vs Thor's Low to Mid-low regen. Stamina is more or less irrelevent, since both have virtually no limit of it as long as they aren't badly harmed
If neither had hax or there wasn't a difference in combative effectiveness (I'll go into that later), this would be inconclusive for me, and the AP difference is pretty marginal. In the regard of non-hax abilities, they're more or less equal.
Before I continue, there's some things I wanna bring up before someone else does because Zero is a machine.
1) Thor's magnetism would not work on Zero, he is barely even affected by massive amounts of magnetism in Z4
2) Electricity wouldn't short out Zero, he tanks electricity all the time
Now we move on to hax
This area is similarly very close, and both share a lot of powers, but this is a bit easier to decide. Zero takes this category. He has almost all of the same hax powers (the one's he doesn't being irrelevent since Zero has dealth with illusion creation, and Zero isn't dumb enough to get into a BFR Portal nor is it in character for Thor, and lastly, Thor hardly ever, IF EVER, uses intangibility in a fight, much less with someone his rough equal), and a few more including time stop (Thor no longer has it), status effect inducement (namely to weaken, freeze or otherwise debilitate Thor), absolute zero, intangible doppelgangers, possibly mind manipulation (debatable, but if he CAN, I dunno if Thor could resist it, since), biological manipulation (specifically transmutation (IE, Turning Thor into an E-Crystal)) all give him a decisive edge over Thor's 3 abilities over Zero
But what REALLY gives Zero the edge here, is resistances. He resists everything his opponent is bringing to the table, even former abilities, and attack reflection/absorption cancels out, since both use them. Meanwhile, Thor's resistances are dubious (as in, possibly) or nonexistent (status inducement), giving Zero a decided advantage.
Lastly, it also helps that Zero uses his hax far more often in-character than Thor, who prefers physical combat
Zero gets the edge in his hax abilities.
Lastly, there's their combative effectiveness (namely, their skill and general approach to combat). I feel like this is the true deciding factor, as they're so close otherwise that I think this fight would be really inconclusive if I didn't go into this.
Skill wise, these two are very close, having hundreds of years of combat experience with tons of weapons against tons of adversaries. They are both also surprisingly cunning when the situation calls for it. Were this a contest of pure, raw skill, I would, once again, say the results are inconclusive. Though it is worth noting Zero carries most of his weapons while Thor just has Mjolnir, that really makes no difference to me.
However, in terms of mannerisms and approach to combat, Thor is at a SEVERE disadvantage. Thor tends to hold back against foes of earthly origins, he is extremely arrogant. Zero, by contrast, goes for the kill immediately and holds no high opinions or views of himself. He is just fighting for those he believes in.
Additionally, I feel that Thor's growing anger (He'd get angry over the course of the fight even without Warrior's Madness, as his frustration with fighting Zero would increase as time went on) would lead him to make a rash move that sends him off course or otherwise opens his defenses, leaving him open to dismemberment (which only Zero would be able to shrug off), decapitation, or a quick stab from Zero. And the reverse does not come into play as Zero is for the most part, completely stoic, Deadpan Snarker moments aside.
Therefore, after a truly epic duel, I give Zero the victory, roughly 6/10, though this is really close.
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Phew, that took a while to write
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Zero: 1
Thor: 0
Unless the ones above count as votes for Thor?
Thor: 0
Unless the ones above count as votes for Thor?
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Hope that was a fun read, that was a lot of typing XD
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Going with Zero For Bruce's reasons. He made some solid arguments
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Zero: 2
Thor: 0
Thor: 0
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I'm leaning towards zero given that his AZ scales from this via the EX skill he copies
along with the fact the hindrances of cyber elves are quite damaging, having half your vitality go missing while trying to resist being turned into a mettaur is going to leave thor very open to attacks, specially when zero can stop time and attack him.
along with the fact the hindrances of cyber elves are quite damaging, having half your vitality go missing while trying to resist being turned into a mettaur is going to leave thor very open to attacks, specially when zero can stop time and attack him.
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Zero: 3
Thor: 0
Apparently, the strongest Marvel and DC 4-B's are no match for Mega Man.
Thor: 0
Apparently, the strongest Marvel and DC 4-B's are no match for Mega Man.
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Going to vote for Zero for Bruce's reasons. Let's all be thankful that Zero can't just spam the Lightning Loop from UMVC3 
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Damn, you beat me to it. Anyways, I'll vote Zero for Bruce's reasons. Here's hoping this doesn't end up like that other Zero matchup...
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Zero should take this for the reasons above.
Also Zero is hotter than Thor.
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Of course Zero is hotter. He has his flame chip equipped.
(6 votes for Zero btw)
(6 votes for Zero btw)
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One more for Zero.
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Zero via hax (soul manipulation, time-stop, etc.)
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Galactus isn't 4-B, Thanos is arguable IMO.
Darkseid does stomp though
Darkseid does stomp though
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Damn, that's some reasoning
ZERO FRA
ZERO FRA
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zero fra
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I meant Thanos beating Top Tier Mega Man 4-Bs (Zero isn't even the strongest, it's Geo Stelar, though an upgrade I'm trying to do might change that due to speed)
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I voted. That's 7 votes for Zero.
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It's 10-0
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Galactus is being upgraded to 4A, Thanos is almost 50x stronger then DarkBruceTheBatman said:
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OK then, hax, intelligence, and ability to adapt to fights.Newendigo said:
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Then he isn't 4-B lol.
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Just an FYI on Galactus, that's all
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