Zeno Sama vs Thanos (Not Really)

[LordGriffin1000]

Yeah I'd never do somthing that crazy. Still does't mean this match is that far off from the title. This will be Zeno from Dragon Ball vs Danny Phantom with fake Infinity Gaunlet

Speed Equalized & In Character

Zen'ō:

Danny Phantom:

Inconclusive: 2 (Ionliosite, Tony di bugalu)

 

[Ionliosite]

>No resistance to EE

Zen O erases.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

>No resistance to Transmutation

Danny turns him into a hammer.

 

[Akreious]

>Transmutation is done via Waves or Energy Beams and is not instantaneous

Zen'O still Erases. Speed Equalized means Energy Waves are clearly visible and can be dodged (Since they're moving as fast as Zen'O would be). Zen'Os Erase with no projectile and is an instant cast > Transmutation.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

@Akreios

That is false, Transmutation is instant. Danny, like Zeno just points/hand raise and it happens.

You must be referring to the first ever transmutation Danny did which used a beam. The other Transmutations he did required no beam. For those who don't know, The Reality Gaunlet requires concentration, It's slowest speed is beams and waves, with solid focus you can just hand wave or point and it happens without a beam or a energy wave and with complete focus it's thought based but that was only done once with Freakshow.

Danny quickly reached the second stage as he was able to Transmutate Lydia, Freakshow, and the GIW weapons just by pointing, he also erased everyone's memories and brought time back to the day before everything started just by pointing. Freakshow also uses the gaunlet multiple times and was only pointing as well. None of these intenses I mentioned required an energy beam or energy wave. I think I'm gonna need to write a note on the Reality Gaunlet's page about the speed of it's attacks.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Zen-Oh shitstomps

How? Speed is Equalized and both go for hand gesture move that can beat the other.

 

[MrLuk2000]

So incon?

 

[Ionliosite]

If Danny transmutates with a hand gesture as his leading move, incon. If it isn't his leading move, Zen O Sama erases.

 

[AwkguyDB]

couldn't Zeno just slap while still being a hypothetical hammer?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

@Ionliosite

Danny's leading move against his opponets while using the Reality Gaunlet is transmutation.

@AwkguyDB

...why would he? He is nothing but a hammer with no intelligence.

 

[AwkguyDB]

@Ionliosite
Danny's leading move against his opponets while using the Reality Gaunlet is transmutation.

@AwkguyDB

...why would he? He is nothing but a hammer with no intelligence.

I mean Vegito was a jawbreaker and still was fodderizing Buu

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

@Ionliosite
Danny's leading move against his opponets while using the Reality Gaunlet is transmutation.

@AwkguyDB

...why would he? He is nothing but a hammer with no intelligence.

I mean Vegito was a jawbreaker and still was fodderizing Buu

Yeah but Super Buu's transmutation still leaves the opponent with conscience and intelligence, meanwhile the gauntlet's doesn't.

 

[AwkguyDB]

@Ionliosite
Danny's leading move against his opponets while using the Reality Gaunlet is transmutation.

@AwkguyDB

...why would he? He is nothing but a hammer with no intelligence.

I mean Vegito was a jawbreaker and still was fodderizing Buu

Yeah but Super Buu's transmutation still leaves the opponent with conscience and intelligence, meanwhile the gauntlet's doesn't.

Can you prove that because besides Vegito I don't there was anyone that was turned into candy that still retained intelligence.

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

@Ionliosite
Danny's leading move against his opponets while using the Reality Gaunlet is transmutation.

@AwkguyDB

...why would he? He is nothing but a hammer with no intelligence.

I mean Vegito was a jawbreaker and still was fodderizing Buu

Yeah but Super Buu's transmutation still leaves the opponent with conscience and intelligence, meanwhile the gauntlet's doesn't.

Can you prove that because besides Vegito I don't there was anyone that was turned into candy that still retained intelligence.

In that case it's just Vegito that has some sort of Transmutation resistance? but either way, Zeno doesn't have it so he just gets transmuted to a fish.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

@AwkguyDB

Just because Vegito can still do stuff after bring hit by Buu's Candy Beam does not mean Zeno can still talk and move if Danny transmutates him. Danny's transmutation is not simple biological manipulation, it is from the Gem of Form which changes one thing into another in it's entirety. If Danny turns Zeno into a fish, his physiology and intelligence will be that of a fish along with the removal of his power.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

@Listen

Vegetto has resistance to transmutation and I dunno about the scaling on DB but AFAIK only Vegito has.

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

Yeah, so Zeno still gets turned into a pizza and can't do anything

 

[Akreious]

Yeah, so Zeno still gets turned into a pizza and can't do anything

He'd do that IC against what seems to be a plush-doll who could subsequently be an Alien Child?

 

[Ionliosite]

Since Danny's leading move is indeed transmutation, I vote incon. One gets turned into a hammer the moment the other gets erased.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Incon FRA

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

Yeah, so Zeno still gets turned into a pizza and can't do anything

He'd do that IC against what seems to be a plush-doll who could subsequently be an Alien Child?

Yes, he literally did it against a river. Also, due to SBA, this is in character with the intent to kill: Transmutation was always his starting move with the Gauntlet.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Can't Zeno cover himself in Hakai like toppo did?

 

[Celestial_Judge]

Zeno fra

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

Zeno fra

Which reasons are you referring to?

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

Can't Zeno cover himself in Hakai like toppo did?

I don't think that Zeno would either A) Have the time to. or B) It would probably not change anything. Also that move sounds OOC for him to do since he wasn't shown doing it, the only IC move he was shown to do is just "lol erase". So this becomes an incon depending on who uses their hax first, whether Danny transmutes or Zeno erases

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Can Danny's transmutation capable of affecting an Divine Being?

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

Can Danny's transmutation capable of affecting an Divine Being?

If the divine being has no resistance to transmutation, then yes. It can affect everyone as long as they don't resist Transmutation

 

[Celestial_Judge]

Zeno fra

Which reasons are you referring to?

@AwkguyDB

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

Zeno fra

Which reasons are you referring to?

@AwkguyDB

He doesn't have any valid reasons, as it was proven that Vegito had resistance to Transmutation, meanwhile Zeno does not have it listed.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Zeno fra

Which reasons are you referring to?

@AwkguyDB

He doesn't have any valid reasons, as it was proven that Vegito had resistance to Transmutation, meanwhile Zeno does not have it listed.

From what magical properties does Vegito have resistance to transmutation? It was implied that Vegito was just far too strong for Buu's magic to work on him all it did was alter his appearance . There's nothting that says Zeno, if he was in that position, wouldn't have done the same and here Zeno is pretty much infinitely superior to this Possibly Low 2-C Gauntlet which shouldn't have an effect on him entirely.

 

[Celestial_Judge]

Zeno fra

Which reasons are you referring to?

@AwkguyDB

He doesn't have any valid reasons, as it was proven that Vegito had resistance to Transmutation, meanwhile Zeno does not have it listed.

He's proven to me that Zeno would most likely have the edge. My vote is still for Zeno.

 

[RealMattForsyth]

Gonna give it to ma boi Zeni.

 

[MagicCloud6]

This thread was made when Danny was Low 2-C before he somewhat got downgraded. Close this

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

This thread was made when Danny was Low 2-C before he somewhat got downgraded. Close this

he can still Transmutate, I think...

 

[LordGriffin1000]

AP wasn't a win for Danny anyway. Transmutation is still valid unless Zeno resists.