Zeno Downgrade

[Dragonmasterxyz]

No, he destroyed all of them in the anime on-screen. The future multiverse is gone. So simple.

Okay, so I am correct that he destroyed all of them. My memory was off.

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Dragon

Yeah, Zen-Oh mentions that he destroyed the "world", which DBS uses as synonymous with the multiverse.

 

[Dark649]

Whis had to force Trunks and Mai to live in a planet where exist another versions of them because of Zamasu and Zen'o actions.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

No, he destroyed all of them in the anime on-screen. The future multiverse is gone. So simple.

It needs a link.

 

[Dark649]

This.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Actually I have a question regarding this.

I don't mind a 2-C Zeno but where is the evidence of him erasing the afterlifes from each universe as well?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

They escaped Zen'o's destruction by going to the past. Yet we try to claim that it destroyed space-time? (Unless they escaped to another timeline)

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Saik

Time travel in DB more just involves going to different timelines.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

They did. They escaped into the main timeline.

Trunks' Timeline = Branch of main timeline.

Not the same thing.

 

[Schnee_One]

They did, that's why there was another Zeno.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

"I don't mind a 2-C Zeno but where is the evidence of him erasing the afterlifes from each universe as well?"

He destroyed "The world", meaning the Multiverse. Everything is destroyed.

Even Beerus is capable of destroying the physical universe, the afterlife, and the Kaioshin Realm with his attacks.

 

[Golden_Void]

Hakaishin upgrade to 2-C B)

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Hakaishin upgrade to 2-C B)

If only... If only OvO

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Hakaishin upgrade to 2-C B)

People would rage. OvO

 

[Magi_Hussie]

This.

Zeno effortlessly destroying infinite Zamasu (who is Universal+) is more of an "at least Universal+ feat," not a Multi-Universal feat unless Zamasu is stated to affect other timelines or something in that clip.

 

[Dark649]

Zamasu is stated to affect other timelines or something in that clip.

He did.

 

[Golden_Void]

So all we have to do is downgrade Zamasu? Gotcha. :^)

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Zamasu was affecting both the Trunks Timeline and the Main Timeline.

 

[Dark649]

Zamasu became one with the universe and his presence was spreading to other universes, he was going to become 2-C, but was erased by Zen'o before he could do so.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Mind me, but shouldn't the Dragon Ball Multiverse be treated as a big Universe instead of multiple infinite 4D space-time continua? I mean, you can literally fly from Universe to Universe.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

We never treated them as Infinite Space Time Quntiuums... And it's even stated on Zeno's page that we treat it as one big universe.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Like, I don't even think destroying all of the 18 initial Universes, complete with afterlife and whatnot, should be treated as a Multi-Universal feat. So what is it that makes Zen-Oh questionably Multi-Universal?

 

[Giygas3]

@Hadou Why shouldn't it? I believe one of the guides stated that the afterlife was treated as a separate Space-Time to the Physical Universe.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

@Giygas, is this the same guide that shows that Snake Way is the radius to Otherworld, and that the Universe is only 2 million miles in diameter? Or is this a different guide?

 

[Giygas3]

@Hadou I'm unsure, You'd need to ask another member that. The guide that I believe you're talking, the map wasn't to scale. Funny thing is, The manga has the same thing going on.

 

[Golden_Void]

Zamasu was affecting both the Trunks Timeline and the Main Timeline.

Only because of the void Trunks made with his time machine, which is backed by Pilaf and Black. So under normal circumstances that wouldn't have happened.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Well, from what I've seen on Zen-Oh's page as the evidence that he's Multi-Universal, I see the afterlives and pocket "dimensions" as other space-time continua. If this is the case, the creators of the pocket realities would be Low 2-C and I still need to see a valid source about the afterlives being separate space-time continua. I know that they are Universe-sized structures, but I just need proof they have their own space-time, y'know? Their time seems to be linear and one with the regular time.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Only because of the void Trunks made with his time machine, which is backed by Pilaf and Black. So under normal circumstances that wouldn't have happened.

Plus, Infinite Zamasu did not have full access to the past but only the present & Future IIRC, so no. Infinite Zamasu could not be able to affect the other timelines unless that void Unite mentioned was created.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

^^^^^

So, I think Zen-Oh should be either 3-A or Low 2-C, unless someone can actually prove that the afterlives are separate space-time continua. Anyone else agree?

 

[Golden_Void]

That will likely never get passed though lol. If the afterlife had the same time as the mortal realm, then Goku's statements about time not meaning much there, and the ease of going SS3 would be retconned.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Time doesn't mean much their because they don't age. And the ease of going SSJ3 doesn't really prove anything. Goku said that Caulifla might be able to go SSJ3 in the Tournament of Power, knowing it lasts less than an hour, and also knowing that she had once went SSJ2 and is going at it, again. Take Gohan, for example. Goku had seen Gohan go SSJ2 in the HBTC, but I'm sure he wasn't expecting Gohan to transcend further with his fight with Cell. And he didn't, so.