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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

Infinity_Dragon said:
Someone brought up here she lied about recovering but I didn’t see that when I looked through, IIRC I only saw her faking being weakened so the people would stop thanking them for saving the day

Which if the case, than Yixuan was mostly recovered by the point she fought Miasma Priest
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yixuan said she was "mostly recovered" by the time the proxy went to check on her and right before they went to go fight the miasma priest, and i don't really see any reason as to why she'd lie about it so yeah i think it's probably fair to assume she was mostly alright by the time they actually fought, not to mention that she also got an emotional amp part of the way through their fight

on the other hand yixuan was basically completely healthy during the fight against the defiler. as far as comparing the two fights goes i think it kinda just comes down to whether or not you think orphie and seed were stronger supporting fighters than yinhu and ju fufu
 
Sooshirohl said:
yixuan said she was "mostly recovered" by the time the proxy went to check on her and right before they went to go fight the miasma priest, and i don't really see any reason as to why she'd lie about it so yeah i think it's probably fair to assume she was mostly alright by the time they actually fought, not to mention that she also got an emotional amp part of the way through their fight
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Ya, I just checked and the aftermath of getting out of the Hollow after beating the Miasma Priest, the people rescued all started requesting to the join Yunkui Summit and Yixuan went “Ju Fufu watch this technique” and acted sick to get everyone to leave.
So yeah, no reason I see to take it that she was lying about recovering.
 
Infinity_Dragon said:
Which if the case, than Yixuan was mostly recovered by the point she fought Miasma Priest
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It's left ambiguous, but Yixuan tends to downplay her own exhaustion, so it's not out-of-character
Yixuan:coughing...
Pan Yinhu: Shifu! Are you okay?
Ju Fufu: Are you okay? Shifu...
Yixuan: I'm fine, just a side effect from using that technique...
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She's stumbling and sick, but she doesn't admit to it.
Yixuan: Yeah... I'm a little tired. Let's stop talking about the past for now.
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Ju Fufu supports this idea.
Phaethon:What's more, when she was affected by the Miasma Corruption earlier, it brought back some unpleasant memories. She could use some time to settle her emotions, too.
Ju Fufu: I understand... sigh This is the first time I've seen Shifu so vulnerable.
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When she's alone:
A cough echoes from inside - it seems Yixuan is still suffering from the Corruption symptoms.
Yixuan: Who's out there... Is that you, (‍Wise / Belle‍)?
Yixuan: cough cough... Don't worry about me... You should get some sleep.
Yixuan: cough cough... cough cough cough
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She seems to believe showing weakness makes her a poor Shifu.
Yixuan: Thank you... (‍‍Phaethon). I've made you worry about me. I'm really not much of a shifu.
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After absorbing the giant ball of Miasma, she retires to her room because she needs to rest from absorbing the Miasma.
You can also tell from the dark patches that cover her skin.
When she returns:
Phaethon: Don't worry about it, just focus on resting for now.
Yixuan: That won't be necessary. I'm mostly recovered.
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And then immediately afterwards:
Yixuan: cough...
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She also struggles with visions of Yijiang while fighting Mevorakh.
She has the whole flashback sequence, and only manages to dispel the Miasma when she comes to terms with Yijiang's sacrifice.
 
Unrelated but since I suggested adding a note earlier when I brought out Anby and her supposed sacrifice-scaling, I did this quick sandbox... because i'm bored. The explanation is probably buns but oh well lol

I miss 9-B ZZZ fodder (like ethereals.. Zhu Yuan...)
 
MaskedDragon908 said:
She also struggles with visions of Yijiang while fighting Mevorakh.
She has the whole flashback sequence, and only manages to dispel the Miasma when she comes to terms with Yijiang's sacrifice.
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I see what ya mean on that cough, though she did say “mostly” recovered as opposed to saying she fully and overall appeared fine going forward I believe in the Hollow, so I don’t think there’s a solid reason to think her strength was greatly weakened.
The visions from what I’ve seen was only when she trying to block the launched collected Miasma, which was pushing her back before the Yijiang’s voice came.
 
i think "mostly recovered" can still hold true even if yixuan was still coughing after she said that yeah. and iirc she seemed mostly fine throughout the entire mission afterwards going into the hollow and during the fight with the miasma priest. you could argue she was pushing herself because of her strength/role but i think she would've at least commented more on her strength if she felt weaker, i don't think she would've been dishonest with the proxy in a private conversation even if she was trying to push herself.

the whole visions/voices thing just seemed like the miasma priest trying to get into yixuan's head, don't think it was necessarily a showing of her being weakened as it was miasma priest just taking advantage of her vulnerability in that instance
 
ItzLivyx said:
Unrelated but since I suggested adding a note earlier when I brought out Anby and her supposed sacrifice-scaling, I did this quick sandbox... because i'm bored. The explanation is probably buns but oh well lol

I miss 9-B ZZZ fodder (like ethereals.. Zhu Yuan...)
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Pats you.
Perhaps we can start getting profiles up for fodder Ethereals and Rebel units.

This seems good, by the way.
Infinity_Dragon said:
I see what ya mean on that cough, though she did say “mostly” recovered as opposed to saying she fully and overall appeared fine going forward I believe in the Hollow, so I don’t think there’s a solid reason to think her strength was greatly weakened.
The visions from what I’ve seen was only when she trying to block the launched collected Miasma, which was pushing her back before the Yijiang’s voice came.
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Sooshirohl said:
i think "mostly recovered" can still hold true even if yixuan was still coughing after she said that yeah
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Masked didn't mean to imply that she was greatly weakened, just that it gives Isolde some leeway.
This all comes back to the discourse over the consistency of ZZZ powerscaling.
Isolde's power obviously Varies a bit, depending on how much Miasma she absorbs.

It's hard to say if she held back against Orphie and Magus, and to what extent.
She obviously wanted to die at the end, but what about earlier in the fight?

Masked mostly just wanted to establish the fact that there are a lot of ambiguous details that make the powerscaling more malleable.
 
Naito-desu said:

1,995 tons roughly
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🥹✌️
Orphie’s beam was bigger than Defiler’s body.

MetPIHR.jpeg

This is that same beam compared to the Tsunami

14a9gNK.jpeg

This shot can help find the depth of it too

t8Dulj5.jpeg


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I calced the height of the wave at 292m, width at 694m. Nvm wrap it up boys feat is chopped
 
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In the cutscene she also lifts the entire wave up in like 10 frames…. WE CAN GET MUCH HIGHER.
7-C Defiler trust
 
I personally found the height and width to be
292m and 694m.
Using those numbers using Naito’s formulas gives us:
98,101,410,894.8Kg
GPE= 1.1925749e+14J 28.5 Kilotons
KE= = 2.6067555953672E+14j
Both 7-C
 
BiggestOpp said:
🥹✌️
Orphie’s beam was bigger than Defiler’s body.

MetPIHR.jpeg

This is that same beam compared to the Tsunami

14a9gNK.jpeg

This shot can help find the depth of it too

t8Dulj5.jpeg


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I calced the height of the wave at 292m, width at 694m. Nvm wrap it up boys feat is chopped
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I meant how you got these measurements bruh
 
BiggestOpp said:
I personally found the height and width to be
292m and 694m.
Using those numbers using Naito’s formulas gives us:
98,101,410,894.8Kg
GPE= 1.1925749e+14J 28.5 Kilotons
KE= = 2.6067555953672E+14j
Both 7-C
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7-C obol squad cause orphie was the one who overpowered the attack 🤔🤔🤔
 


it's pretty interesting to see the more casual audience having discussions about scaling ngl

as far as this scene in particular goes, given what was teased i think it's billy and promeia getting their asses beat by an out of control pyrois (aka the supposed "agent" connected to wise/belle.) given the lore implications i would imagine pyrois to probably be a top tier threat as far as in-verse scaling goes so i don't necessarily think both of them losing is a bad thing. my guess is that remielle manages to defuse the situation and 3.0 and 3.1 subsequently are about us going to roscaelifer to learn more about pyrois and subsequently learn how to control it
 
Yeah I get it, I just don't know if I'd have done this or if this'd be considered inflating. We don't seem to have any other shots so this might be reasonable
 
Naito-desu said:
Yeah I get it, I just don't know if I'd have done this or if this'd be considered inflating. We don't seem to have any other shots so this might be reasonable
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I don’t even think it’d be inflating.
Like technically I calced Butcher’s sword to be hundreds of meters long and that was just thematically impossible so I just gave up on the idea.
But Defiler? The place they’re fighting in was a separate space she created so there’s absolutely nothing contradicting it or making it seem inflated
 
Speaking of which, couldn't we just calc the realms created and sustained by Ether entities? I'm not learned in creation feats but we have multiple instances of realms being sustained by characters or weapons like the Qingming Sword, for example.

I can see where we're going with the the wave. I'll try it out but I'm not too confident otherwise.
 
Naito-desu said:
Speaking of which, couldn't we just calc the realms created and sustained by Ether entities? I'm not learned in creation feats but we have multiple instances of realms being sustained by characters or weapons like the Qingming Sword, for example.
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There’s no ether UES, nor is there enough evidence to get one accepted.
Even if there was an UES some of these creation feats involves starry skies soooo
 
Yeah that's true. Tier 4 Slop zzz lez gooo

Anyway, I'm pretty sure Ether is a power source so wouldn't that on its own be enough? We got one in Demon Slayer and that shit's nowhere near as solid as ZZZ.
 
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