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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

Naito-desu said:
I feel like your arguments are purely from incredulity
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Honestly same, and this can be applied to his arguments way back in previous pages, I might be way too harsh but someone need to pointing this out no matter how much he reasoning this as "I swear I don't want to downplaying this verse"
 
I don't think the story themes were bad per se, the video seems to approach from a strength of themes, and it's consistent given the way we've seen them fleshed out but it's also majorly rushed and poorly executed.
 
BiggestOpp said:
There are many indicators that show that lightning is about to strike, so it’s easy for her to dodge them.
Hell, if it’s truly CTG lightning then she has plenty of time to do so based on her speed.
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if you're talking about the giant red circle underneath her then that's pretty obviously for gameplay purposes, i don't think yanagi is literally seeing a red circle underneath her indicating the lightning is about to strike where she's at. the lightning comes down basically instantly, i don't really see what other indicators there are that it's about to strike

BiggestOpp said:
I just rewatched it and the lightning hits Yanagi but ts weird asl.
She blocks the lighting (look below her feat it hits the ground so this isn’t even a redirection), she gets flung backwards and a lightning bolt comes down from the sky to hit the enemy??? Am I seeing things? Now I can’t really tell what feat you guys are looking at 😭
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watching the animation frame by frame gives a clearer look i think, it's just her parry animation timed with when the lightning strikes at her. she's swinging her arm outward and it basically gets sent towards the enemy, almost as if she's swatting it away. the parry sound that goes along with the redirection emphasize that she's making contact with the lightning, so i don't think it's necessarily hitting the ground, i think that's moreso just visual effects
 
BiggestOpp said:
Idk man, we know her weapon can conduct the electricity.
All she has to do is raise her arm and wait.
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Being able to conduct lightning does not justify disregarding the feat.

Yanagi does this inside a shipyard filled to the brim with metallic structures AND shipping containers.

There's no reason to assume Yanagi's Naginata is the defacto least resistant path for a lightning bolt.

And that's ignoring that Yanagi doesn't hold the naginata up as a lightning rod. She purposefully times it knowing it'll strike her to redirect it elsewhere.
 
I also think it's silly to mention that everyone manages to do it in gameplay when the story specifically singles out Yanagi as having done the feat in the actual story sections of the game.
 

these meteors are pretty jank lol. i'm not really sure how much they'd affect scaling if at all but the fact that ZZZ even has something like this to begin with is extremely funny to me
 
Naito-desu said:
Cumulonimbus, the cloud most associated with thunderstorms, is about 2km above the ground. The accepted VSBattles speed for lightning is 440,000 m/s, even if the lightning came from over 10km up, you'd still need Massively Hypersonic reactions to:
  • Predict its fall
  • Position yourself correctly
  • Redirect it

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. VsBattles feats are sustained where the character's speed is measured to an object whose assumed speed is accepted, so it shouldn't be invalidated just because of this.

I feel like your arguments are purely from incredulity.
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I agree with you but I wouldn't say he's incredulous more hyper-skeptical, which is obviously not helping to disseminate the feat itself but still
 
Sooshirohl said:
if you're talking about the giant red circle underneath her then that's pretty obviously for gameplay purposes, i don't think yanagi is literally seeing a red circle underneath her indicating the lightning is about to strike where she's at. the lightning comes down basically instantly, i don't really see what other indicators there are that it's about to strike


watching the animation frame by frame gives a clearer look i think, it's just her parry animation timed with when the lightning strikes at her. she's swinging her arm outward and it basically gets sent towards the enemy, almost as if she's swatting it away. the parry sound that goes along with the redirection emphasize that she's making contact with the lightning, so i don't think it's necessarily hitting the ground, i think that's moreso just visual effects
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Agree with this, it makes more sense to follow the visuals and statements than to arbitrarily generate an explanation that isn't supported other than "the weapon conducts electricity", would also like to reiterate that she herself says she can dodge these lightning bolts.

I think we should wait till the event is over before making any moves but as it is I'm leaning towards this being valid.
 
Kisaragi_Megumi said:
Honestly same, and this can be applied to his arguments way back in previous pages, I might be way too harsh but someone need to pointing this out no matter how much he reasoning this as "I swear I don't want to downplaying this verse"
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Don’t be an asshole, at least try to understand what I’m saying.
Actually look at the feat you’re trying to say is MHS.
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This is frame 1 before the lightning strikes, Yanagi is sitting there, then the ability activates.

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Yanagi disappears, we don’t see any lightning, nothing on panel.

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This is the very next panel.
There’s literally no in between, no shot of her air being raised up while the lightning is about to touch her and blocking it before it hits her.
There’s literally nothing there.
Go frame by frame and show me her reacting to the lightning. You literally can’t, it doesn’t happen.

Yanagi’s redirection literally doesn’t happen the way you’re implying either.
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This is the direct sequence. Yanagi’s arm is raised, the lightning bolt is hitting her raised arm.
While her arm is raised you can see that the lightning is touching the ground.
Look at the scan, the lightning is impacting the ground, meaning she isn’t “moving in tandem” with the lightning.
It’s literally touching the ground and dispersing.
The screen shot soosh sent of her arm being cocked back seemingly depicting a redirection is out of context.
Her arm isn’t flinging back because she’s swiping the lightning at him, she’s literally being knocked back by the impact of the lightning. Watch it frame by frame.
The “redirection” yall are claiming exists literally doesn’t exist in these scans.
Look at the screen shot, the redirected lightning isn’t even coming from Yanagi, its literally coming from the sky 😭
So I’ll reiterate what I said once before, there’s literally no feat here. Actually look at the frames one by one and show me her moving relative to the lightning, what I’m seeing so far is her arm literally being held in the air and the lightning striking her, there’s no movement relative to the lightning in any scans.
 
As for “there are many indicators for the lightning finna strike” argument, I don’t mean the big red circle. There’s literally electricity sparking on the ground and in the air relative to her position. This is what I’m referring to.
You can see electricity being built up in that general area before a bolt of lightning strikes.
 
It doesn’t help that Yanagi’s Wengine has a form of precognition.

“A new model of supercomputing W-Engine custom-made by HSO Section 6, equipped with the most elite calculation and analysis functions, precisely records the user's time active and physical state to calculate the best plan of action. Embedded within is Yanagi's prized watch, but each time the W-Engine is turned on, the hands of the clock face go whirling around from the Etherenergy, and it can no longer be used to accurately tell time. So, when she uses the time on here to tell you that you should hurry and be more efficient if you don't want to be late completing your mission, don't believe her.”
 
BiggestOpp said:
Don’t be an asshole, at least try to understand what I’m saying.
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Already did, and I wouldn't change my mind
The Yanagi stuff that being debated here, I'll leave that to the rest of people in this thread tho, I really don't want to arguing back and forth which will be tiring -.-
 
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Sooshirohl said:
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Sooshirohl/shunguang

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been a while since i've made any character profiles since i've been busy, but i decided to cook up a profile for shunguang since i figured it'd be nice to get her profile done sooner rather than later. not finished with it yet since i still need to properly link everything but i figured i'd send it here since i have most of it done to get some general thoughts. pretty sure i got most of her abilities down but i might've forgotten something
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Btw give me time and I can give you better renders for both her weapon and her white-haired form
 
Naito-desu said:
I just realized we never got something like this for the Qingming sword, which is really odd because you'd think they'd have one ready
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we haven't been getting the weapon profiles at all for anyone in season 2 as a whole which is honestly pretty disappointing, it'd be cool to get more in depth descriptions of stuff like yixuan's ink and the qingming sword
 
Kisaragi_Megumi said:
Already did, and I wouldn't change my mind
The Yanagi stuff that being debated here, I'll leave that to the rest of people in this thread tho, I really don't want to arguing back and forth which will be tiring -.-
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i still don't necessarily agree with the arguments against it tbh but i don't really wanna flood the thread going back and forth on it so ill probably just leave it as is

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Qingyi reflects lightning

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i do wanna mention the fact that there is already a calc out for the lightning redirection though. i guess if anything we could just see if this gets approved or not and go from there
 
Tbh, the standards for lightning in VSBattles are pretty loose, other verses are already carried by the fact that characters appear next to lightning, like with Sekiro so honestly this calc works by virtue of that alone lol

Also I've updated your sandbox @Sooshirohl, you should see the updated renders there
 
I was doing a recalc of Miyabi’s feat against Bringer and so far I got like sub rela attack speed for Miyabi and like island level AP, but it only works because of a specific shot of Bringer’s sword that’s almost 700meters long.
Obviously Beinger isn’t 700m away from Miyabi due to the area they’re fighting in. You could argue that the devs intended on the sword being that long but didn’t want to change the area they were fighting in or what now, but it may be hard to convince others that that is true.

I tried using that clip above to maybe get the size of his sword but the gameplay made the sword so small that it just contradicts other shots that clearly show that the sword is massive asf.
Does anyone have any other suggestions to finding the size of his sword?
 
BiggestOpp said:
I was doing a recalc of Miyabi’s feat against Bringer and so far I got like sub rela attack speed for Miyabi and like island level AP, but it only works because of a specific shot of Bringer’s sword that’s almost 700meters long.
Obviously Beinger isn’t 700m away from Miyabi due to the area they’re fighting in. You could argue that the devs intended on the sword being that long but didn’t want to change the area they were fighting in or what now, but it may be hard to convince others that that is true.

I tried using that clip above to maybe get the size of his sword but the gameplay made the sword so small that it just contradicts other shots that clearly show that the sword is massive asf.
Does anyone have any other suggestions to finding the size of his sword?
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yeah it's pretty inconsistent between gameplay and the cutscenes. the final knife he uses against miyabi is obviously huge relative to her but the one he uses in gameplay is far smaller in comparison

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just looking between the two and the size difference is very apparent lol. i'm not really sure how you'd go about measuring the giant sword because the few shots we see of it are all angled. i guess the safest thing to do would maybe just do multiple calcs using various sizes of the sword for multiple different ends? other than that idk
 
I FINALLY PULLED HER AHAHAHHA EVEN THO IT WAS HARD PITY AHAHA I WILL NEVER SUMMON AGAIN UNTIL EVELYN RETURNS
 
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