Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

[ItzLivyx]

Hey everyone, first time posting here.

I've been seeing all these ZZZ calcs and i decided to make a sandbox for Miyabi for the funsies. Do let me know if there's any missing feats, scaling or anything i missed (or just any feedback in general lol)

Man, if only the calcs were approved, we could have Tier 7 Miyabi/Yixuan

 

[Naito-desu]

Hey everyone, first time posting here.

I've been seeing all these ZZZ calcs and i decided to make a sandbox for Miyabi for the funsies. Do let me know if there's any missing feats, scaling or anything i missed (or just any feedback in general lol)

Man, if only the calcs were approved, we could have Tier 7 Miyabi/Yixuan

Looks good so far although I'm not so sure about Miyabi being 9-A without Tailless, the point of her story as well as her lore was that she was pretty powerful without it..

 

[ItzLivyx]

Looks good so far although I'm not so sure about Miyabi being 9-A without Tailless, the point of her story as well as her lore was that she was pretty powerful without it..

I've got my own reasons for at least 9-A Miyabi, but i'll leave that for another day lol. I suppose i could change it to something like "7-C, far higher with Tailless" for now, if its fine.

Btw, was the "Miyabi slashes Nineveh" feat (or other feats of hers) calc'd?

 

[Naito-desu]

I haven't looked at the feat yet but from a first glance it seems pretty hard to calculate

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I've got my own reasons for at least 9-A Miyabi, but i'll leave that for another day lol.

i guess bcs no ues and her strongest attack doesnt scale to physicals? well idk but as far as i know Yixuan 7-C attack clashed with miyabi and both got unharmed by each attack so 7-C dura is okay

 

[ItzLivyx]

i guess bcs no ues and her strongest attack doesnt scale to physicals? well idk but as far as i know Yixuan 7-C attack clashed with miyabi and both got unharmed by each attack so 7-C dura is okay

It was mostly that, yes. Either way, i'll update her profile and then probably finish Asaba's

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

Hey everyone, first time posting here.

I've been seeing all these ZZZ calcs and i decided to make a sandbox for Miyabi for the funsies. Do let me know if there's any missing feats, scaling or anything i missed (or just any feedback in general lol)

Looking good, though I’m of the opinion that she should have a higher with Shimotsuki and even higher with Strongest Attacks, those being the strength she used against Nineveh, Sacrifice Bringer’s final Sacrificial Knife and in the clash against Yixuan’s full power.

Yixuan, which I think I’ll work on alongside the Exaltist Overseer unless someone already called dibs, I’m thinking will have higher with Full Qingming Bird and far higher with Gold Qingming Bird, which she used to break through the Miasma Orbs from Mevorakh which she was previously greatly struggling to block.

 

[Sooshirohl]

Hey everyone, first time posting here.

I've been seeing all these ZZZ calcs and i decided to make a sandbox for Miyabi for the funsies. Do let me know if there's any missing feats, scaling or anything i missed (or just any feedback in general lol)

Man, if only the calcs were approved, we could have Tier 7 Miyabi/Yixuan

looks pretty good overall. if there's a few things i would personally add :

• Accelerated Development (various sources describe miyabi as a prodigy, and her short film showed her mastering a multitude of different weapons before eventually picking up tailless. even in 1.4's story, in the span of the story chapter she went from being unable to control tailless' power to utilizing it fully in order to defeat bringer. granted you could argue that miyabi couldn't control tailless because of the specific etheric matter that was shot at her sword, and that the only reason she was only able to fully utilize bringer's power was because of the vow she made with the other souls residing within tailless, but i think her father's words and the story overall still emphasize the fact that she was able to grow exponentially by utilizing her sword's power in tandem with her own strength for the first time)
• Acrobatics (kinda self-explanatory if you've seen literally any cutscene with her in it lol)
• Afterimage Creation (in yixuan's character demo, she can move fast enough to create afterimages)
• Aura (also kinda self-explanatory)
• Berserk Mode (we see this happen twice both in miyabi's short film and during the 1.4 story. i don't recall if there's an explicit explanation for it but it just seems to trigger when miyabi's emotions go out of control)
• Martial Arts (her M3 cinema and agent intel mention how the hoshimi family has a history/tradition of martial arts, so it's kind of a fair assumption that she at least has surface level knowledge of it)
• Non-Physical Interaction? (she can at least see and interact with the floating curse beside her whenever she fights so, eh)
• Possible Mind Manipulation Resistance (while miyabi was in her berserker state during the 1.4 story she gets put into this mindscape realm of sorts where she sees illusions of ethereals that she constantly has to fight. although following the 1.4 story in the "into the pale wasteland" event she goes back into this mindscape realm, but seems to have a better grasp of the fact that she's in it, not having to constantly fight ethereals while trapped inside. some throwaway dialogue also mentions the fact that she was training herself in hallucination resistance following the 1.4 story)

edit : also forgot to add Fire Manipulation, since Tailless also generates foxfire

 

[Sooshirohl]

I've got my own reasons for at least 9-A Miyabi, but i'll leave that for another day lol. I suppose i could change it to something like "7-C, far higher with Tailless" for now, if its fine.

Btw, was the "Miyabi slashes Nineveh" feat (or other feats of hers) calc'd?

it isn't a calc here but the G1 chihiro vs. miyabi blog calced her collision attack with nineveh at high 8-C

 

[ItzLivyx]

looks pretty good overall. if there's a few things i would personally add :

• Accelerated Development (various sources describe miyabi as a prodigy, and her short film showed her mastering a multitude of different weapons before eventually picking up tailless. even in 1.4's story, in the span of the story chapter she went from being unable to control tailless' power to utilizing it fully in order to defeat bringer. granted you could argue that miyabi couldn't control tailless because of the specific etheric matter that was shot at her sword, and that the only reason she was only able to fully utilize bringer's power was because of the vow she made with the other souls residing within tailless, but i think her father's words and the story overall still emphasize the fact that she was able to grow exponentially by utilizing her sword's power in tandem with her own strength for the first time)
• Acrobatics (kinda self-explanatory if you've seen literally any cutscene with her in it lol)
• Afterimage Creation (in yixuan's character demo, she can move fast enough to create afterimages)
• Aura (also kinda self-explanatory)
• Berserk Mode (we see this happen twice both in miyabi's short film and during the 1.4 story. i don't recall if there's an explicit explanation for it but it just seems to trigger when miyabi's emotions go out of control)
• Martial Arts (her M3 cinema and agent intel mention how the hoshimi family has a history/tradition of martial arts, so it's kind of a fair assumption that she at least has surface level knowledge of it)
• Non-Physical Interaction? (she can at least see and interact with the floating curse beside her whenever she fights so, eh)
• Possible Mind Manipulation Resistance (while miyabi was in her berserker state during the 1.4 story she gets put into this mindscape realm of sorts where she sees illusions of ethereals that she constantly has to fight. although following the 1.4 story in the "into the pale wasteland" event she goes back into this mindscape realm, but seems to have a better grasp of the fact that she's in it, not having to constantly fight ethereals while trapped inside. some throwaway dialogue also mentions the fact that she was training herself in hallucination resistance following the 1.4 story)

edit : also forgot to add Fire Manipulation, since Tailless also generates foxfire

These seem like good additions, so i'll go add them.

The only thing i'm a bit doubtful(?) in is Non-Physical Interaction, but i'll add it as a "possibly", just in case.

 

[ItzLivyx]

it isn't a calc here but the G1 chihiro vs. miyabi blog calced her collision attack with nineveh at high 8-C

Only High 8-C??? can't believe miyabi scales that low.......

 

[Sooshirohl]

Only High 8-C??? can't believe miyabi scales that low.......

to be fair she does explicitly have feats that scale higher than that but yeah i get what you mean lol

 

[Naito-desu]

Also be worth noting but Supernatural Willpower as Miyabi's will is what allows her to control Tailless' power

I'm not sure where i saw this but i'm pretty sure she did some training that might suggest she has instinctive reactions

 

[Sooshirohl]

Also be worth noting but Supernatural Willpower as Miyabi's will is what allows her to control Tailless' power

I'm not sure where i saw this but i'm pretty sure she did some training that might suggest she has instinctive reactions

supernatural willpower seems fine, and although i don't recall where that snippet of information is from i'd say you can argue her berserker mode gives her instinctive reactions anyways considering she basically just kills anything and everything in her path

 

[Naito-desu]

Miyabi, Going Along With Everything (I)

Miyabi, Going Along With Everything (I) is a Trust Commission for Hoshimi Miyabi in Lumina Square. Talk to Hoshimi Miyabi

zenless-zone-zero.fandom.com

Her Trust Event shows that she can still fight while unconscious or unable to perceive what was happening

 

[Naito-desu]

Also I did some calcing and found Waifei Peninsula to be pretty powerful, not sure if it will scale to older characters but Manato and the Spook Shack might scale to 8-C

 

[Sooshirohl]

Also I did some calcing and found Waifei Peninsula to be pretty powerful, not sure if it will scale to older characters but Manato and the Spook Shack might scale to 8-C

probably depends on what it is but i think scaling back to older characters should probably be fine. i don't exactly think spook shack is a super powerhouse faction in comparison to some of the other older factions, and i think the game has shown that a majority of the factions can scale relative to one another anyways

 

[Naito-desu]

ZZZ: Sacrifice Blasts a Door Open

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Sooshirohl]

ZZZ: Sacrifice Blasts a Door Open

vsbattles.fandom.com

oh yeah, that should be fine to scale to other factions then. koleda straight up no-selled a direct attack from a sacrifice in chapter 2, and belobog together were able to beat the UCC, aka a sacrifice being buffed by belobog's machines. i guess maybe you could argue the sacrifice spook shack fought was stronger than the one belobog fought, but i think the sacrifices all being at least relative to one another is probably a fair assumption

 

[ItzLivyx]

oh yeah, that should be fine to scale to other factions then. koleda straight up no-selled a direct attack from a sacrifice in chapter 2, and belobog together were able to beat the UCC, aka a sacrifice being buffed by belobog's machines. j guess maybe you could argue the sacrifice spook shack fought was stronger than the one belobog fought, but i think the sacrifices all being at least relative to one another is probably a fair assumption

Damn.... so tier 8 zzz was real after it all.....!!

 

[Infinity_Dragon]

oh yeah, that should be fine to scale to other factions then. koleda straight up no-selled a direct attack from a sacrifice in chapter 2, and belobog together were able to beat the UCC, aka a sacrifice being buffed by belobog's machines. i guess maybe you could argue the sacrifice spook shack fought was stronger than the one belobog fought, but i think the sacrifices all being at least relative to one another is probably a fair assumption

Yeah, the UCC should be far above the Jester Sacrifice. Belobog remaining one of the top non Void Hunter factions.

Aside from them and Factions that scale above (VH Factions and Obol Squad), no other faction should IMO scale without reason since as mentioned earlier Lycaon stated he, Hugo, Vivian and S0 Anby would be in trouble if the single Sacrifice they encountered woke up.

 

[Naito-desu]

Yeah that's only if it gets approved lol, and then we'd need a CRT and mod approval

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Yeah that's only if it gets approved lol, and then we'd need a CRT and mod approval

That Miyabi and Yixuan calcs aren't even approved yet lmao

EDIT: nvm someone has finally responded on the two calcs there

 

[Naito-desu]

Damn really? I'll check them out

 

[Naito-desu]

Oof, yeah, there goes Void Hunter calcs out the window. Hypersonic is approved though so at least we got a speed rating but there's still the issue of Void Hunter tiers

 

[Sooshirohl]

Oof, yeah, there goes Void Hunter calcs out the window. Hypersonic is approved though so at least we got a speed rating but there's still the issue of Void Hunter tiers

one step forward, two steps back

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Oof, yeah, there goes Void Hunter calcs out the window. Hypersonic is approved though so at least we got a speed rating but there's still the issue of Void Hunter tiers

So we'll going with the UCC calc then
?

 

[Naito-desu]

What's the UCC calc?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

ZZZ: Sacrifice Blasts a Door Open

vsbattles.fandom.com

Nvm I mistook it with UCC because some of you guys mentioned it above fml

 

[Sooshirohl]

Oof, yeah, there goes Void Hunter calcs out the window. Hypersonic is approved though so at least we got a speed rating but there's still the issue of Void Hunter tiers

what is that guy's problem man i saw his response on the ship cutting calc before it got deleted, definitely seemed overly harsh for something that wasn't that serious lmao

 

[Naito-desu]

Ngl that shit hurt cause what did I do, I didn't ask or harass him to evaluate it. I just read the evaluation wrong, why am I getting this hate

 

[Sooshirohl]

Ngl that shit hurt cause what did I do, I didn't ask or harass him to evaluate it. I just read the evaluation wrong, why am I getting this hate

fr got cooked for something that wasn't even your fault it happens to the best of us

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Why you guys accused him for being mean? I saw his comment in that blog and he's being reasonable

 

[Naito-desu]

It was on the Miyabi blog that has since been deleted, so the comment's gone with it

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

It was on the Miyabi blog that has since been deleted, so the comment's gone with it

Ah I see then
Well, if that's the case then I'm not gonna ask any further kekw

Anyway tho, what solution we can give since we till can't figuring out about the top tier stuff atm

 

[Naito-desu]

I'm planning to calculate the mud tidal wave from the final boss of the update. There's not much else i can think of but hopefully we can figure out something.

I'll reexamine some other feats in the meantime

 

[Sooshirohl]

I'm planning to calculate the mud tidal wave from the final boss of the update. There's not much else i can think of but hopefully we can figure out something.

I'll reexamine some other feats in the meantime

really feels like we're back to square one which is unfortunate. i just hope we can at least get something for the top tiers of the verse. hell i'd even settle for like 8-B at this point

 

[PedjaTarzan]

invest in sunbringer giving us tier 7-6 consistency (in 5x version)
i mean for the verse where consistent tier is literally building level having void hunters at 8-B is really good for now, we have class 100ls and literally supersonic/hypersonic consistent speeds which is alr nuts

 

[Sooshirohl]

invest in sunbringer giving us tier 7-6 consistency (in 5x version)
i mean for the verse where consistent tier is literally building level having void hunters at 8-B is really good for now, we have class 100ls and literally supersonic/hypersonic consistent speeds which is alr nuts

on EVERYONE'S souls the hollowfied moon is gonna be important and it's gonna bump the verse up to 5-C

 

[ItzLivyx]

on EVERYONE'S souls the hollowfied moon is gonna be important and it's gonna bump the verse up to 5-C

we all know itll peak much higher.... tier 4............ then iter 3.............