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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread





the fanbase has uh, definitely been imploding in on itself in the last few days 💀

the new characters look cool though. not gonna comment on the whole manato situation, but i like lucia's design, and yidhari seems cool too. my one gripe is the reused yixuan style shorts between both lucia and yidhari, really wish they changed things up with like, pants or a skirt or something instead
 
ended up just going ahead and officially posting anby's profile to the site. i wanted to wait for all the calcs we had stacked up to get looked at and approved, but from the looks of it, it doesn't seem like that's gonna be happening anytime soon, so might as well just post it since it's done so we can at least have all the cunning hares profiles up

i'll probably go through and update/post all the other profiles i made over the next few days. maybe posting them will bring some attention to the verse page so we can get a CRT going or something lol
 
Sooshirohl said:




the fanbase has uh, definitely been imploding in on itself in the last few days 💀

the new characters look cool though. not gonna comment on the whole manato situation, but i like lucia's design, and yidhari seems cool too. my one gripe is the reused yixuan style shorts between both lucia and yidhari, really wish they changed things up with like, pants or a skirt or something instead
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Wait, what's going on with Manato?
 
Jimmy.robinson.5099 said:
Wait, what's going on with Manato?
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pretty much just people reaaaaaally upset that he's an A-rank

on one hand, i get it. he's a character we've known for a while now, the game hasn't had a limited S-rank male since hugo, and it is pretty upsetting that his S-rank spot basically got snuffed out for two characters we don't even know

but on the other hand people are definitely blowing things WAYYYYYYY out of proportion lmao. straight up brigading to leave bad reviews on the game and all that. it's basically that genshin review bombing fiasco all over again
 
Sooshirohl said:
ended up just going ahead and officially posting anby's profile to the site. i wanted to wait for all the calcs we had stacked up to get looked at and approved, but from the looks of it, it doesn't seem like that's gonna be happening anytime soon, so might as well just post it since it's done so we can at least have all the cunning hares profiles up
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Nice work, with her up I’ll finish those pages on elite to mini boss Ethereals such as Dulluhan I was working on.

Just realized I forgot to add Black Hole Creation for Nicole, her and Resonaboo Ether bombs are called Black Holes and Ether does affect gravity and space-time.
 
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Sooshirohl said:
updated list of feats that need to get checked/approved since naito made a couple new ones

The Dead End Butcher Swings a Giant Mace (Class M)
Pompey Swings his Bike Around (9-B)
Qingyi Stops a Car (9-B, Subsonic)
Ben's Battering Ram (9-B, Class 5)
Rampart Brute's Reinforced Bat Swing (9-B, Class M)
Guardian Mech Aerial Deployment (9-B+)
Yanagi Hits the Ground Really Fast (9-B to 9-A, possibly up to low 7-C)
Lighter Punches the Ground Really Hard (Up to 9-A)
Dead End Butcher's Giant Mace Swing (9-A, Class M)
Bringer's Massive Hand/Sword (Class 100, 9-A to 8-C)
Miyabi's Ship Cutting (High 8-C)
Miyabi's Water Freezing (8-A)
Yixuan Clears Clouds with her Ultimate (7-C, Hypersonic - Hypersonic+)
Tank Shell Deflecting (Hypersonic)
Characters Deflecting Bullets (Hypersonic+, up to High Hypersonic)

15 calcs literally just sitting waiting to be looked at lmao, this stuff getting approved would probably make hypersonic a baseline for the verse, give a majority of the cast more concrete building level scaling, and give the top tiers as high as town level stuff
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This right here, I did basically all of them. I've dropped the game unfortunately, but I am invested in getting the verse up.
 
Naito-desu said:
This right here, I did basically all of them. I've dropped the game unfortunately, but I am invested in getting the verse up.
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About the Yixuan one, it still uses the full size Qingming Bird right? I’m still ain’t sure on that as from what I call when I looked, the QB in the Ult to me doesn’t match to the full size one. Like it’s hard to tell frame by frame, but the head looked different from what I recall.
 
Yeah but it's still noticeably bigger than her regular bird so it's the best we got unless we can properly reference her with the bird in her ult
 
Naito-desu said:
Yeah but it's still noticeably bigger than her regular bird so it's the best we got unless we can properly reference her with the bird in her ult
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I think you mentioned before that as it’s descending into Yixuan that it was larger than her, could we not use Yixuan with wings as a lowball or something.
Apologies if this suggestion won’t work, I just want to play it safe given it’s hard to tell on it’s size in the Ult.
 
The bird's form as it enters Yixuan is too hard to make out to really tell how big it is, I'll work on an alternative if it's too dicey
 
Naito-desu said:
I really wish someone would just look at my calcs already because we need them for Yixuan and Miyabi. We don't even need the speed ones, just AP 😭
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yeah at the very least, i think we should hold off on making/posting yixuan/miyabi pages until we get the higher end feats checked out. would be nice to at least get the speed calcs checked too since it gives the verse as a whole a pretty nice buff
 
Sooshirohl said:
pages for grace, ben, anton, and lycaon are now officially up
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Lycaon should probably be solid 9-A given he fought evenly with Hugo who can defeat a Notorious Thanatos with no notable difficulty, as mentioned I’ll get those elite/mini boss Ethereals up soon.

Should the Belobog team be solid At least 9-A given they individually clashed with a Sacrifice and fought it as the far more powerful Unknown Corruption Complex?

Lycaon upon finding just one hibernating Sacrifice stated they’d, that being himself, Hugo, S0 Anby and Vivian, would all be in trouble if it did awaken.
Plus when enhanced Sacrifice Bringer unleashed his power, generating that lightning storm, the Belobog team brought up what they felt was just like the Unknown Corruption Complex, I don’t know if just their referring to him being Sacrifice or his strength given you’d think they wouldn’t be surprised by what their sensing as they’ve been in the Hollow helping Section 6 reach him before he was powered up by Sarah.
 
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Naito-desu said:
I think all characters should just be 9-A straight up personally, there's enough cross-scaling for everyone
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Make void hunters and those similar who are simply whole tier above higher tier while rest can scale to each other
there isnt rly some big difference unless u put someone like miyabi vs grace or something like that
 
I don't have the game installed so I'm far more restricted but I'm still willing to help crunch the numbers if the images and feats are given
 
Naito-desu said:
I think all characters should just be 9-A straight up personally, there's enough cross-scaling for everyone
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I can see everyone being at least solid 9-A but I do think they need a reason beyond “should be comparable to this character” if they don’t have connection with said character.

Belobog and Victoria Housekeeping I went over above, though for the later I would add that Lycaon was confident his faction could handle the Cunning Hares after having observed their combat prowess before confronting them as well as Ellen beating a Notorious Hati on her own.

Obol got scaling to Anby, S11 beating a Typhoon Challenger on her own, pre story Trigger beating a Thracian and more to come with 2.2

Sons of Calydon scale to Billy via Lighter and facing the Corrupted Pompey

PubSec scaling to Qingyi beating a Notorious Thanatos and a Thracian on her own

Astra and Evelyn beat a Terror Raptor which are stated to be New Eridu’s most trusted weapon of war

Hugo beat a Notorious Thanatos while Vivian bested the Tepes

Spook Shack got Yuzuha, Alice and Manato beating a Sacrifice and holding their own against the Maisma Fiend
 
Also I think Manato tanking that one flying steel door would put him in 9-A given he no-selled a blasted door while injured
 
Infinity_Dragon said:
Lycaon should probably be solid 9-A given he fought evenly with Hugo who can defeat a Notorious Thanatos with no notable difficulty, as mentioned I’ll get those elite/mini boss Ethereals up soon.

Should the Belobog team be solid At least 9-A given they individually clashed with a Sacrifice and fought it as the far more powerful Unknown Corruption Complex?

Lycaon upon finding just one hibernating Sacrifice stated they’d, that being himself, Hugo, S0 Anby and Vivian, would all be in trouble if it did awaken.
Plus when enhanced Sacrifice Bringer unleashed his power, generating that lightning storm, the Belobog team brought up what they felt was just like the Unknown Corruption Complex, I don’t know if just their referring to him being Sacrifice or his strength given you’d think they wouldn’t be surprised by what their sensing as they’ve been in the Hollow helping Section 6 reach him before he was powered up by Sarah.
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i was admittedly being kinda conservative when it came to the scaling but yeah, honestly i agree with naito in that i think every character just being 9-A is fine. i feel like there's enough cross scaling you can make between factions that makes logical sense to where it isn't really that big of a deal

i can probably just go back and tweak the pages really quick if anything
 
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So since someone pointed out missing information and ability for Billy, I’ma make a thread to add whatever is missing for the pages up.

Ability wise, we got to add Analytical Prediction via W-Engine for Billy, Black Hole Creation for Nicole and Inorganic Physiology to Dead End Butcher given Ethereals are made up of living Ether. Should DEB have all types of Self Sustenance given i don’t think Ethereals need to eat, oxygen and sleep, seemingly being sustained by the Hollow, and Limited Deconstruction? Camille’s body disintegrated seemingly from the fatal wounds sustained by Ethereals and i think we’ve seen corpses not killed by Ethereals linger in the Hollow.

Also, how do take Vital View given we got Hugo using it?
 
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Yeah, I think that sounds good for all of them.

As for Vital View... I've been wanting to calculate it, but we can treat it as limited Statistics Amplification, where a successful dodge enhances their speed and perception, and then add a solid value to it when I can.
 
Can someone do me a really kind favor and go back to the approximate area where this cutscene happened and take screenshots with characters as close to the door as possible
 
Naito-desu said:
Can someone do me a really kind favor and go back to the approximate area where this cutscene happened and take screenshots with characters as close to the door as possible
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don't think the video archive lets me backtrack to the boss fight unfortunately, and since the HDD system isn't being used anymore i can't go back to the specific boss area to try and find where the door is

it might be a little tricky but i thiiiiink you can see the open door in certain parts of the boss fight in this video? at the very least you'd be able to get the size of the door itself but i don't think there's any points where the characters get close enough to do a side by side comparison unfortunately
 
New calc even though it prob won't be approved lol, given the Spook Shack fought him right after, I think it's better to use this than the Manato tanking feat
 
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