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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

decided to go through rq and list off some notable feats/other things from the demo cause i think it had really impressive showings for both yixuan and miyabi

  • yixuan runs really fast and kills an entire street full of ethereals (0:40)
  • yixuan creates some spike looking thingies to stop miyabi right as she's about to attack her (1:06)
  • yixuan jumps(?) really high from the looks of it (1:26)
  • miyabi also jumps like, really really high (1:30)
  • miyabi moves REALLY fast and cuts a giant pillar in half (1:38)
  • miyabi moves fast enough to be a blur and creates afterimages (1:58)
  • miyabi gets sent flying into a pillar by yixuan's attack (2:11)
  • she shrugs the attack off and then proceeds to completely cut through her attack (2:17)
  • yixuan reacts(?) fast enough to summon her wings right as miyabi's about to attack her (2:24)
  • miyabi and dodge's yixuans projectile attacks, again moving fast enough to create afterimages. the force of said attacks easily penetrate straight through solid stone/concrete and heavily damage a large building (2:38)
  • miyabi unsheating tailless exudes massive aura (literally) (3:00)
  • miyabi generates lightning by charging up tailless (3:14)
  • the force of her dashing forward is enough to destroy the ground beneath her and send giant chunks of rock flying into the air (3:16)
  • yixuan weaves and dodges all of miyabi's ranged slashes (3:22), with one of the particularly larger slashes creating a large explosion (3:24)
  • the force of yixuan and miyabi's collision creates a giant explosion, which ends up breaking the simulation world they're fighting in (3:27)
I completely missed the feat on 1:38 so good eye on that one, it’s hard to really tell but I’m assuming that’s a Shiyu pillar given we see a bunch in the background during the battle and are the only clear structures we see as she’s going at Yixuan in that scene?
 
I completely missed the feat on 1:38 so good eye on that one, it’s hard to really tell but I’m assuming that’s a Shiyu pillar given we see a bunch in the background during the battle and are the only clear structures we see as she’s going at Yixuan in that scene?
yeah, seems like it. the pillar looks pretty thick and there're some others in the background you could probably compare it to size-wise, so i think it's something that'd definitely be worth calcing
 
I feel like it could be strong but also might not matter as much given Void Hunters probably scale way above the feats shown in the trailer. Miyabi's freezing feats are hard to beat but we could always use more support.
 
I feel like it could be strong but also might not matter as much given Void Hunters probably scale way above the feats shown in the trailer. Miyabi's freezing feats are hard to beat but we could always use more support.
It I imagine, given how huge a Shiyu pillar is, could potentially give something worth a link in their pages as support atm given the feat was done with no struggle.
 
Quick mafs:

Assuming that the volume sliced was cylinder with the building's radius being the radius and the height being the edge of a katana (1mm)

Pixel scaled everything from Miyabi's height to the building through use of multiple references, and find that the building is about 5516.9185 cm in radius or 55 meters. For the height is about 1mm based on katana sources, giving us 9,560,000 cm^3, assuming 80% is hollow as it's clearly some kind of building and not a solid beam of steel, 1,912,000

This will be a cutting feat, so shear strength will be used:
,
Building material is tricky to find out, so assuming purely steel:
1,912,000*620.52816 = 1,186,449,841.92 joules, aka 1.18 Gigajoules or 0.28 tons of TNT (Building level)

Now assuming the building wasn't actually hollow:
9,560,000*620.52816 = 5,932,249,209.6 joules aka 5.9 Gigajoules or 1.4178 tons of TNT (Building level+)
 
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Quick mafs:

Assuming that the volume sliced was cylinder with the building's radius being the radius and the height being the edge of a katana (1mm)

Pixel scaled everything from Miyabi's height to the building through use of multiple references, and find that the building is about 5516.9185 cm in radius or 55 meters. For the height is about 1mm based on katana sources, giving us 9,560,000 cm^3, assuming 80% is hollow as it's clearly some kind of building and not a solid beam of steel, 1,912,000

This will be a cutting feat, so shear strength will be used:
,
Building material is tricky to find out, so assuming purely steel:
1,912,000*620.52816 = 1,186,449,841.92 joules, aka 1.18 Gigajoules or 0.28 tons of TNT (Small Building level)

Now assuming the building wasn't actually hollow:
9,560,000*620.52816 = 5,932,249,209.6 joules aka 5.9 Gigajoules or 1.4178 tons of TNT (Building level)
good stuff, it's kinda hard to tell because of how fast she moves but it seems like there's a few angles that suggest that the pillar itself isn't hollow, so i think the higher end would probably be fine to use imo. she still has feats from the chihiro blog that scale higher but more solid feats supporting her as building level at least are always nice (plus it's also just a really cool feat in general)
 
We have a wealth of feats that just need approval although we can just tentatively scale to either the Dead End Butcher calc or the Ether lightning. Idk who's working on the big ones like Miyabi or Yi Xuan. I'm not sure if the profiles have been updated to include scans now, and we still need a clear consensus on scaling characters since obviously not all are created equally.
 
We have a wealth of feats that just need approval although we can just tentatively scale to either the Dead End Butcher calc or the Ether lightning. Idk who's working on the big ones like Miyabi or Yi Xuan. I'm not sure if the profiles have been updated to include scans now, and we still need a clear consensus on scaling characters since obviously not all are created equally.
been really busy with school and work recently, though whenever i get a bit more free time i'd like to go back and revamp all of the old profiles i made (already redid grace a while ago to start with)

i did anby, all of belobog, most of VH, most of pubsec, and most of SoC. if nobody else wants to do miyabi's profile i wouldn't mind getting it done. and if there's a preference to have it out sooner rather than later i can prioritize it over the other profiles
 
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if nobody else wants to do miyabi's profile i wouldn't mind getting it done. and if there's a preference to have it out sooner rather than later i can prioritize it over the other profiles
I’ll be making Miyabi and Section 6, 2.0 could give us new feats to look at for the Void Hunter tier characters via Yixuan so I’ll be waiting on that first.
 
I also have Jane Doe ready to go but I'm waiting on someone to approve the Rampant Brute calc to justify her LS.

But I think if the Ether Lightning,Bullet Deflection, and the Rampant Brute calculations get approved it will be smooth sailing from here.
 
Alright so just to help fast track stuff:
Priority calc for speed - ZZZ Characters deflect bullets, Hypersonic
Priority Calc for LS - Rampant Brute, Class M Centripetal Force

Need a vote on whether we should just take the Ether Lightning calc and have all playable characters scale to it or not, the rest of the verse has pretty consistent 9-A feats anyway (except for PubSec but at this rate, just give it to them given they're all fighting the same things anyway via simulations and Hollow Zero)
 
Alright so just to help fast track stuff:
Priority calc for speed - ZZZ Characters deflect bullets, Hypersonic
Priority Calc for LS - Rampant Brute, Class M Centripetal Force

Need a vote on whether we should just take the Ether Lightning calc and have all playable characters scale to it or not, the rest of the verse has pretty consistent 9-A feats anyway (except for PubSec but at this rate, just give it to them given they're all fighting the same things anyway via simulations and Hollow Zero)
i think it's fine for all the characters to scale to it, we're already using the bullet deflecting as baseline for all the characters anyways, might as well use the lightning too
 
Alright so just to help fast track stuff:
Priority calc for speed - ZZZ Characters deflect bullets, Hypersonic
Priority Calc for LS - Rampant Brute, Class M Centripetal Force

Need a vote on whether we should just take the Ether Lightning calc and have all playable characters scale to it or not, the rest of the verse has pretty consistent 9-A feats anyway (except for PubSec but at this rate, just give it to them given they're all fighting the same things anyway via simulations and Hollow Zero)
I can ask the CGM to comes, but it depends if I'm having a free time here
Any of calcs that still need to be approved?
 
Uhhh can someone reply to that post that congregated them, there should be a few here?
 
Assorted feats was already assessed
So was the giant mace but that is dicey in terms of applicable scaling

Everything else below hasn't been assessed but I think we can ignore the tank shell calc since the newest bullet calc covers that
 
(except for PubSec but at this rate, just give it to them given they're all fighting the same things anyway via simulations and Hollow Zero
Qingyi soloed a Thracian and Notorious Thanatos in an event story, which should scale to or above the Dulluhan that troubled Billy and Anby, so solid 9-A for her and likely/possibly for the rest of PubSec, like how I didn’t put Nekomata at solid 9-A given she didn’t fight DEB but should be comparable to the rest of CH, is fine imo.
 
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Qingyi soloed a Thracian and Notorious Thanatos in an event story, which should scale to or above the Dulluhan that troubled Billy and Anby, so solid 9-A for her and likely/possibly for the rest of PubSec, like how I didn’t put Nekomata at solid 9-A given she didn’t fight DEB but should be comparable to the rest of CH, is fine imo.
Oh right I forgot about the Fishing Event, yeah that sounds fine. It looks like the entire verse is 9-A at baseline.

Qingyi did canonically fight Jane Doe, and she wasn't holding back given she didn't know that Jane Doe was a double agent unlike Zhu Yuan so I think the scaling spreads fairly well among them.
 
Isn't the first one only accepted about DEB ones since C4 explosion, miyabi cutting a ship in half and the mutant swinging giant sword have some problems with them? Atleast that's how I read the comments of that blog
 
Isn't the first one only accepted about DEB ones since C4 explosion, miyabi cutting a ship in half and the mutant swinging giant sword have some problems with them? Atleast that's how I read the comments of that blog
I didn't specify since the comments said it but yeah, specifically the Dead End Butcher train crash, him lifting the train, and the wall holes
 
Regarding this feat, would it scale to Miyabi in general or just this move? Like it’s seems she was amped by the memories of her mother as she completely overpowered Bringer’s final and strongest Sacrificial Knife.

If she was always strong enough to just straight up overpower Bringer’s strongest move then there wouldn’t have even been a fight, which there was a fierce struggle given Yanagi warned them of his attacks and recommended them to inflict disorder to stop him from increasing his Ether activity.
 
Regarding this feat, would it scale to Miyabi in general or just this move? Like it’s seems she was amped by the memories of her mother as she completely overpowered Bringer’s final and strongest Sacrificial Knife.

If she was always strong enough to just straight up overpower Bringer’s strongest move then there wouldn’t have even been a fight, which there was a fierce struggle given Yanagi warned them of his attacks and recommended them to inflict disorder to stop him from increasing his Ether activity.
i think it's fine to scale it to miyabi in general. she was reminiscing on memories of her mother, but i think that was moreso just emphasizing the fact that she had formed a better connection and had a better understanding of tailless. that attack came after the illusion sequence, where she got to talk to the sacrifices in tailless preceding her, and events like into the pale wasteland following 1.4 where she goes back into the illusion world also help to suggest that she just has a deeper understanding of her sword

also was the fight with bringer that fierce? the cutscene right before the final attack doesn't really imply any of section 6 as being that worn out or fatigued. like yeah wise warned section 6 about the rising ether activity but it honestly didn't seem like they struggled that much against bringer, especially when yanagi, soukaku, and harumasa were able to beat him just fine before he got his amp by sarah
 
also was the fight with bringer that fierce? the cutscene right before the final attack doesn't really imply any of section 6 as being that worn out or fatigued. like yeah wise warned section 6 about the rising ether activity but it honestly didn't seem like they struggled that much against bringer, especially when yanagi, soukaku, and harumasa were able to beat him just fine before he got his amp by sarah
As mentioned, Yanagi herself yelled for everyone to watch out as his attacks wouldn’t stop and stated to inflict disorder on him to stop him from increasing his Ether activity, so it wasn’t stomp as they were threatened by his attacks, was stated to be sturdy by Soukaku and they had to stop him from increasing his power.

They beat him as a team, likely dodging and covering for each other to prevent receiving notable damage and stopped him from getting stronger via inflicting disorder, not via Miyabi just straight up overwhelming him in the fight.
So either he was beaten down enough for Miyabi to overwhelm and finish off or that attack from Miyabi was a more powerful than special strike, which ain’t crazy given we see Miyabi charge up to unleash more powerful attack in say the Nineveh cutscene and in gameplay combat with Shimotsuki.
 
As mentioned, Yanagi herself yelled for everyone to watch out as his attacks wouldn’t stop and stated to inflict disorder on him to stop him from increasing his Ether activity, so it wasn’t stomp as they were threatened by his attacks, was stated to be sturdy by Soukaku and they had to stop him from increasing his power.

They beat him as a team, likely dodging and covering for each other to prevent receiving notable damage and stopped him from getting stronger via inflicting disorder, not via Miyabi just straight up overwhelming him in the fight.
So either he was beaten down enough for Miyabi to overwhelm and finish off or that attack from Miyabi was a more powerful than special strike, which ain’t crazy given we see Miyabi charge up to unleash more powerful attack in say the Nineveh cutscene and in gameplay combat with Shimotsuki.
fair point, although yanagi, soukaku, and harumasa were getting hit and tossed around by a lot of bringer's attacks leading up to the final fight and didn't seem that harmed tbh
 
fair point, although yanagi, soukaku, and harumasa were getting hit and tossed around by a lot of bringer's attacks leading up to the final fight and didn't seem that harmed tbh
From what I see, they were avoiding his attacks after he was powered up by Sarah.

Before they tanked a direct Ether enhanced giant punch with no injuries, no idea how to rate pre power up Bringer as he seemed to straight up get stomped by the three and only started being a problem via absorbing Ether.
 
Stuff on Miasma, so Madness Manipulation and limited durability negation? (Given it takes a percentage of HP) to add onto the Ether sandbox and we have Ethereals able to draw energy from Miasma for Forcefield creation via Miasma Shield.
 
I'm personally skeptical of wholly scaling Miyabi to 8-A, I can see AP but the attack itself already pretty much put down a weakened Bringer. It might be reasonable if we see this feat be replicated in more favorable conditions or if there are indications that's her source of power also scales to her durability.

Currently it's looking like Miyabi will be in the Building to High Building level until we see other Void Hunter feats
 
Stuff on Miasma, so Madness Manipulation and limited durability negation? (Given it takes a percentage of HP) to add onto the Ether sandbox and we have Ethereals able to draw energy from Miasma for Forcefield creation via Miasma Shield.
I would say some kind of Poison or Life Manipulation. The percentage of HP might just be a game mechanic but it does break past durability so. I would say Madness Manipulation, Corruption, and Life Manip
 
I'm personally skeptical of wholly scaling Miyabi to 8-A, I can see AP but the attack itself already pretty much put down a weakened Bringer. It might be reasonable if we see this feat be replicated in more favorable conditions or if there are indications that's her source of power also scales to her durability.

Currently it's looking like Miyabi will be in the Building to High Building level until we see other Void Hunter feats
well there is also the bringer storm feat to consider, though not sure how we feel about that one atm
 
If the UES standards apply to Ether then it may count. We'll likely have to wait and see for Yi Xuan to demonstrate anything of note.
 
If the UES standards apply to Ether then it may count. We'll likely have to wait and see for Yi Xuan to demonstrate anything of note.
I think hopefully after 2.0 we can gather enough information for the Ether sandbox and use it for a QnA thread to ask others on if said feats can count.
 
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