Zelda revision

[The_real_cal_howard]

Zelda as in the character. Not the verse. Making that clear off the bat.

This CR thread is basically to give her stats. Because her unknow ratings are unwarranted. She has enough feats for her to gain actual stats. So, here they are.

Attack Potency: At least Mountain level, possibly Planet level. Planet level with the Light Arrows. Mountain level is due to her being a sage, and the strongest one at that. Sages are more powerful than Twinrova. Not to mention that Sheik was supposed to be capable of taking on Bongo Bongo. Whether or not she wouldn've won was debatable, but stil... And planet is because her energy was capable of revising Demise. Also, being the mortal incarnation of her, she fought him in the past. One more reason for her being planet is because of her triforce piece, considering how ToP and ToC are at Multi-Continental, likely Planet. ToW shouldn't be that much weaker, especially considering how much it boosted Yuga-Ganon, and pushed NES!Link w/o ToC to NES!Ganon's level. Light Arrows are obvious.

Speed: At least Hypersonic+, possibly Massively Hypersonic+ She shouldn't be slower than any dungeon boss, and according to Bongo Bongo's profile, at least one of them has Hypersonic feats. Possibly MHS+ is because she kept up with a crazed Ganondorf in WW.

Durability: At least Mountain level, possibly Planet level. She survived getting ragdolled by Bongo Bongo and b-slapped by a bloodlusted Ganon, getting up seconds later. Her possessed body was also beaten up by TP!Link end of game.

Lifting and striking strength should stay unknown though. Age should be "varies between tween and early twenties depending on the incarnation"

 

[The_Everlasting]

And planet is because her energy was capable of revising Demise. Also, being the mortal incarnation of her, she fought him in the past.

Wasn't it Hylia that fought Demise? Only to give up her divinity to become Zelda?

Also, I'm not sure the energy needed to revive someone is quantifiable.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yeah about the first part, which is why I said Zelda is the mortal incarnation of Hylia. Also, I'm pretty sure we have several profiles that are rated due to their latent energy.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Also, I'm gonna highlight it.

 

[PaChi2]

Well, I'd give her the full MHS rating for keeping up with Ganondorf in WW and being able to do the same in TP (horse battle). She has shown the speed to react to him. Although Light Arrows being planet level seems iffy, they are more hax based (they are light attacks capable of stuning ganondorf), I mean, its his weakness...

 

[SomebodyData]

I agree with the proposed ratings, with the exception of the arrow's ap if it only stuns (in which it would probably more hax based like Pa said) if does do damage then the rating seems good

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It does damage to Yuga-Ganon in ALBW. If silver arrows got retconned to light arrows, then it killed Ganon in ALTTP and Classic

 

[SomebodyData]

Well then as long as Yuga Ganon = 5-B then it should be 5-B light arrows.

Not sure about silver arrows tho

 

[PaChi2]

Iirc they didnt actual damage (tho I can misremember), you used them o force Yuganon out of the wall. If they did damage him, okay. It probsbly is game-mechanics then, the fact that when fired by zelda dont do damage and when link does yes.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

You're right about that. I forgot that it knocks him out of the wall instead of damaging him.

 

[RadicalMrR]

The upgrade seems fine.

 

[Cropfist]

Looks alright.

 

[Dark649]

The stats are ok for Zelda, since in Oot, Wind Waker and etc. She helps link to defeat Ganondorf.

 

[Antvasima]

You should probably inform ThePerpetual about this thread. He is the Zelda expert.

 

[Flames_of_power64]

Seems legit.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Bump

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

So, is everyone okay with me making the aforementioned changes?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I would prefer if ThePerpetual replied first.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I understand. I tried getting him. I wouldn't be surprised if he responded soon.

 

[WarriorWare]

This scaling makes genuinely no sense. Never has she ever held her own against any of the characters you are scaling her to. Never, ever, ever.

The light arrows don't damage Ganondorf, they give Link enough time to attack him. Zelda's stats should stay the way she are. Zelda doesn't fight.

 

[fandom_12cheeper]

Can I get a source on where it's stated that Zelda is the strongest of the sages?IIRC she's only ever referred to as the leader. I'd also like a Link to the calc that puts oot dungeon bosses at MHS(not like it matters since the dungeon bosses wrecked the sages shit)

 

[WarriorWare]

Oh, and "how much the Triforce of Wisdom boosted Yuga"? Link beat him with just the Triforce of Courage as if nothing had changed.

Also, leader of the Sages =/= stronger than the Sages. Is Eggman stronger than Metal Sonic? Is Robin stronger than Starfire?

Also, Sheik gets bodied by Bongo Bongo. No reason to think anything else could have happened.

Ganon was not bloodlusted when he b-slapped her. He was explicity making sure not to kill them. It was the most casual attack you've ever seen. What's next, are you gonna argue planet level Hercule for "tanking" an attack from a "bloodlusted" Cell?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@WW. You don't need to fight to get a tiering. Zen'o doesn't fight, and he's the god tier of Dragon Ball of all things. Heck. Not even King Kai fights, and he's still small planet.

Also. Stunning should still equate to hurting. Period. Otherwise, it should have done legit nothing to Ganondorf at all. No special weakness would allow this frail princess you're projecting to harm the demon. And the durability scaling is legit too. I don't care if she passed out or not for a short time. She would be dead if what I'm saying isn't legit.

About the Triforce of Wisdom being beaten by Link like nothing has happened. Despite the fact that Link now needed the Light Arrows? Or that Yuga got a second wind? Or the fact that it's a video game and Link can't show emotion due to being a silent protagonist? Link beat Ganon like nothing happened once he gained back his master sword in OoT. Link beat all 4 forms of Ganon in TP like nothing happened. Or let's go to a different series. Every time (barring Sectonia) Kirby bosses come back as a soul, he beats them like nothing happened.

Also, your examples are poor. Eggman built Metal Sonic. Robin is the leader because he's the one with experience. Zelda is a reincarnated goddess

@12cheeper. I believe it's heavily implied, especially since TLoZ has demonstrated that Authority = Asskicking trope exists in the verse (Ganondorf being the king of the Gerudos). By the way, calc for the Hypersonic+ rating for Volvalgia and all who scale via dodging Link's very fast arrows. and the calc to MHS/MHS+ TLoZ verse

Screenshot for this site putting sages at Mountain level

 

[fandom_12cheeper]

...So Literally just a baseless assumption based on commonly used tropes.OK.I also Wouldn't call Ganon bloodlusted when he slapped her seeing as how he went out of his way not to use his sword on her.Besides,couldn't we use shit like that to boost Mortal Kombat to multi galaxy since a couple human characters got hit by unrestricted Shso Khan in MK9 and star level Mr Satan from getting slapped by Cell?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Mr Satan was obviously a gag. MK is gameplay mechanics. Iirc, Ganon was crazed at the time, and whether he was bloodlusted or not, it's still a planet level hit that affects the story.

 

[PaChi2]

Adding two cents here, her possessed body resisted a beating from link (possession hasnt been shown to amp physical durability as far as I know).

And the triforce of wisdom being scalable to the other two makes sense because, otherwise, why would Yuga even care about it while fighting Link? If it didnt boost him, that is.

 

[WarriorWare]

See, the difference between Zeno and Zelda is that Zeno is explicitly stated to be above everyone else, whereas Zelda is explicitly shown to be below everyone else.

@PaChi: You need all three pieces of the Triforce to make a wish, no matter how lame the ToW is. A wish can be used for a lot more than a stat boost.

 

[fandom_12cheeper]

The MK stuff literally happened during a cutscene.You can't just pick and choose what counts.So yeah,multi galaxy level Lui kang confirmed. Still doesnt change the fact that Zelda is never stated to be the sttongest sage.I dont even remember it being implied,either.(unless youve got a quote handy)

 

[Antvasima]

Watch your language and stay civil please.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

When Zelda is a combatant, the only person she's been shown being behind is Ganon himself. She's a non-combatant in ALTTP, she gives up in TP, she's a non-combatant Skyward, she's a non-combatant in NES. She helps defeat Ganon in WW, she is Link's mentor in OoT, she helps defeat Ganon in TP after she gets restored. And the ToW still boosted Classic!Link to ToP Downfall Ganon's level. Link didn't have the ToC in that game, and only acquired it in the direct sequel.

 

[fandom_12cheeper]

Didn't she get one-shotted by fodder villain Cole?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Not to my knowledge. Iirc, he uses dark magic to separate her from her body. Also, same game, Link get's one shotted by fodder villain Byrne.

 

[fandom_12cheeper]

I wouldn't exactly call Byrne fodder given that he's generally portrayed as an absolute physical powerhouse.The dude was basically mad that he couldnt get any stronger when he followed the spirits so he betrayed them to gain more power.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

You'r right, but still... he's no Zant, Aghanim, Yuga, or Girahim...

 

[PaChi2]

^Zant fodderized Midna and Link, and it wasnt exactly the beginning of the game.

 

[Dark649]

^It was when link obtained all the three pieces of the Fused Shadow.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Dark. What's your opinion on this upgrade?

 

[Dark649]

Dark. What's your opinion on this upgrade?

I wrote my opinion, you can find it after Cropfist comment.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Whoops missed that XD. Thanks for that, btw.

 

[WarriorWare]

Zelda wasn't Link's "mentor" in OoT, what on Earth are you talking about? She told him that she doesn't trust Ganon, threw an ocarina at Link, and taught him a few songs seven years later.