yuta vs mahito (7-0-3)

[EldemadeDityjon]

But it can chip at Mahito which can give him more openings.

Also iirc the second time he didn't touch Kuro to output RCT, he just put his hand in front of his head and blasted his ass. I need to check again but if that is the case then Yuta doesn't even need to touch Mahito to wear him down.

Yuta needs to directly hit Mahito brain if he wants to use RCT to kill him which I doubt working if we consider him having LGR as stated. Only wincons is Yuta making Mahito run out of CE reserve.

 

[JnSteHar002]

My vote's for Yuta

 

[Doggo]

voting Yuta fra

 

[BoastJr]

Yuta Fra ! Mid Diff

Mahito adapts fast and can do some funky stuff but I doubt he can get passed Yuta's arsenal which he has no clue about

 

[Sus]

both Yuta and Rika are fast enough to blitz Mahito, and strong enough to splatter him in a single hit.
his only wincon is winning a domain clash, or Yuta just letting himself get touched for whatever reason

You can't be seriously believing this
I don't mind Yuta winning the fight but atleast make some fair points

do i count these as votes for yuta?

 

[Sus]

Yuta needs to directly hit Mahito brain if he wants to use RCT to kill him which I doubt working if we consider him having LGR as stated. Only wincons is Yuta making Mahito run out of CE reserve.

there is also winning a domain clash and forcing mahito into burnout, but this is unlikely

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

do i count these as votes for yuta?

I think it can go either way, but I'm leaning towards Mahito due to your OP conditions. Yuta's domain is featless here, while Mahito has showcased good skills by copying Gojo's 0.2-second DE and merging the activation and sure-hit effect of his domain into a single action. I think Yuta wins if they both activate their domains due to his output, not because of superior domain skills, but I don't think Mahito will fall for that since your OP says both have information on each other. Yuta shouldn't be able to catch Mahito without his 5-minute mode since he can't use his copied techniques without it. Otherwise, it would be similar to Kuro vs. Yuta, as Mahito can use his stock of transfigured humans to keep his distance and attempt a sneak attack on him. Yuta might overpower those weaklings, but they would still act as a distraction. Yuta's only win condition is blasting anything and everything with his CE Blasts and forcing Mahito to run out of CE, because he definitely can't hope to touch Mahito with RCT. I don't think Mahito is dumb enough to get hit by RCT to the brain. Sendai Yuta lacks any good technique to actually kill Mahito in a straightforward way, so he can only wait for Mahito's stamina to run out, which is also Yuta's own weakness if we consider his 5-minute mode. Yuta also can't use two techniques at once outside of his domain, which would be a huge advantage for Mahito. Mahito can use a body double to wait things out or sneak up on Yuta after Yuta thinks he has killed the real one. While Yuta may stay on guard, that doesn't mean Mahito can't change his form and sneak up on him. One more thing: Mahito already survived Special Grade level output against Mechamaru, so I really don't see him getting cooked by Yuta's attacks that easily. Heck, the databook says even Kenny would struggle against Mahito, so obviously I'm not seeing Yuta avoiding getting touched.

there is also winning a domain clash and forcing mahito into burnout, but this is unlikely

I doubt Mahito would go for a domain clash if he has information on Yuta's kit and knows Yuta can't actually damage him.

People here are acting like Mahito is dumb, when he's one of the most talented and intelligent curses out there.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yuta Fra ! Mid Diff

Mahito adapts fast and can do some funky stuff but I doubt he can get passed Yuta's arsenal which he has no clue about

According to OP Mahito has information on Yuta's stuff and vise versa.

 

[Sus]

if no prior knowledge is given, its an advantage for mahito more than it is for yuta

anyway i also vote mahito

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

if no prior knowledge is given, its an advantage for mahito more than it is for yuta

anyway i also vote mahito

Yeah it would be really really bad for Yuta. Mahito would cook him out pretty badly.

 

[Zabazab]

simple domain neutralizes techniques, idk about dhruvs barriers

If simple as SD domain can damage Mahito Normally Todo would have started using that in the fight. Mechamaru SD is not the same as others.

Specifically the sure-hit effect of a Domain neutralizes any defensive techniques (Infinity, Idle Transfiguration, Sky Manipulation). This is why the Simple Domain tubes could leave lasting damage on Mahito. Todo can't use a Domain offensively like that, while Dhruv's technique consititutes a Domain using shikigami's paths and strikes with a sure-hit.

 

[Nonynho]

You can't be seriously believing this
I don't mind Yuta winning the fight but atleast make some fair points

SBA Yuta can give SHINJUKU YUJI a run for its money, wym he's not skilled enough to avoid moves from a newborn who loses to Jogo?

 

[Sooshirohl]

yuta FRA

 

[Sus]

grace

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

SBA Yuta can give SHINJUKU YUJI a run for its money,

?? What manga are you reading, bruh? Bud was struggling to land a hit on Shibuya Yuji, and here you are glazing him, saying he'll land hits on Shinjuku Yuji.

Besides, unlike Yuji, Mahito has more abilities and enough kit to get away. What you said is just pure Yuta glaze, with nothing in canon supporting it. He ain't skilled. He just has enough abilities to keep up with Yuji.

wym he's not skilled enough to avoid moves from a newborn who loses to Jogo?

Do you understand what is sts and skill means? Jogo winning against Mahito with his overall fire power and higher sts doesn't mean he is more skilled than Mahito.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Specifically the sure-hit effect of a Domain neutralizes any defensive techniques (Infinity, Idle Transfiguration, Sky Manipulation). This is why the Simple Domain tubes could leave lasting damage on Mahito. Todo can't use a Domain offensively like that, while Dhruv's technique consititutes a Domain using shikigami's paths and strikes with a sure-hit.

It doesn't powernull. It just spams on the target.

 

[Nonynho]

?? What manga are you reading, bruh? Bud was struggling to land a hit on Shibuya Yuji

????
What are you talking about?
Yuji had more than one internal monologue speaking about how impressively hard it will be to defeat Yuta

He ain't skilled.

Satoru Gojo says otherwise, by stating that Yuta and Hakari are the only ones that could "walk with him" lol

Do you understand what is sts and skill means?

In neither of those is Mahito competing with Jogo, the latter of which gets brutalized by 16F Sukuna and would definetely also be by Shinjuku Yuta and/or Yuji, have no doubt about it

While Jogo could make Sukuna have a tad bit of fun and was remarked by that, the latter was inside Yuji's body and met/saw Mahito time after time to brutalize him way before 16F and disregard him completely when they met in the end of the manga, so yeah, i'm confident that in-verse we have elements to believe Mahito < Jogo < Shinjuku Yuta in Skill and Stats.

 

[Zabazab]

It doesn't powernull. It just spams on the target.

It neutralizes any techniques (that aren't specialized as anti-domain techniques) that interfere with the sure-hit, such as the three I listed.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

????
What are you talking about?
Yuji had more than one internal monologue speaking about how impressively hard it will be to defeat Yuta

Because Yuta had higher sts not because he was skilled. When Yuta's sword Yuji was literally ready to fade with him. You can literally see the confidence. Feel free to send the scan where Yuji said Yuta is more skilled and hard to defeat

Satoru Gojo says otherwise, by stating that Yuta and Hakari are the only ones that could "walk with him" lol

They can reach his strength and few abilities not the they will be equal to him in his combat skills

In neither of those is Mahito competing with Jogo, the latter of which gets brutalized by 16F Sukuna and would definetely also be by Shinjuku Yuta and/or Yuji, have no doubt about it

While Jogo could make Sukuna have a tad bit of fun and was remarked by that, the latter was inside Yuji's body and met/saw Mahito time after time to brutalize him way before 16F and disregard him completely when they met in the end of the manga, so yeah, i'm confident that in-verse we have elements to believe Mahito < Jogo < Shinjuku Yuta in Skill and Stats.

Sukuna respected Jogo for his strength. I don't see a single instance him praising Jogo's skill you are free to send the scans if you have that

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It neutralizes any techniques (that aren't specialized as anti-domain techniques) that interfere with the sure-hit, such as the three I listed.

That's pure headcanon. There is nowhere it shown or stated to powernull anything it just bypass the defence of the target that's all.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

hmm, mahito fra

 

[Sus]

hmm, mahito fra

oh i thought you voted for yuta, i apologize

this makes it 6-3, grace is nulled

 

[Zabazab]

That's pure headcanon. There is nowhere it shown or stated to powernull anything it just bypass the defence of the target that's all.

Chapter 82, it's stated to be the reason why even Gojo can't avoid being hit.

 

[Sus]

Chapter 82, it's stated to be the reason why even Gojo can't avoid being hit.

sure to hit ≠ sure to deal damage

 

[Zabazab]

sure to hit ≠ sure to deal damage

And yet it does deal damage. Damage that cannot be negated by Idle Transfiguration. Literally just look at page 10 of chapter 82, a Mahito cannot use Idle Transfiguration on himself to negate the damage of a Domain's sure-hit effect.

 

[Nonynho]

When Yuta's sword Yuji was literally ready to fade with him. You can literally see the confidence.

Besides me feeling like there's some sort of typo here, there are problems with saying Yuji's "confident he'll defeat the guy"
First he's saying he won't be able to defeat the guy in the open, resorting to attempting to get inside a building, and besides CQC, Yuji would only be capable of trying to get traps or something alike to be able to do anything (i'll speak more about it in a bit) and there's also the fact that he's acting confident just because he's determined to not die to compensate what he consider was his doing.
Wanna know another time where there was someone who outskilled Yuji (likely out-stats'ed too) and he resorted to getting to an enclosed space to try strategizing?
When he fought Choso. Oh and in that time he was also very confident he wouldn't lose, once again "just because i can't! i gotta do x"
and he lost too

Not only his attempt to bring the fella to an enclosed space talks about how he's feeling the guy's super skilled, but there's also the flashback to his talk to Todo literally saying that it's difficult antecipating the moves, and that was not even the worst part. Hell, he even tried resorting to another tremendously unusual strategy, reinforcing a knife with CE, that worked up until certain point because Yuji's not unskilled, but again: if the guy's just out-stat'ing and is not outskill'ing why would he resort to such unusual stuff?

Sukuna respected Jogo for his strength.

How would that be talking about stats when Jogo never touched Sukuna? It most likely was about his skill to simply not die for a great while and be able to entertain him and it starts to be a stretching when try to say it's about other things

They can reach his strength and few abilities not the they will be equal to him in his combat skills

to say that Gojo believed they could "reach him statswise and the statement doesn't talk about skill" is not only kinda ignoring scaling chains (and saying Yuta immediately kills Mahito unless for some reason you mean to say Gojo doesn't IKs Mahito, which is even wilder), but also is taking Gojo a tad bit out of character since he talks A LOT about making next generation better, not just stronger. Gojo is definetely talking about skill and strength

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Besides me feeling like there's some sort of typo here, there are problems with saying Yuji's "confident he'll defeat the guy"
First he's saying he won't be able to defeat the guy in the open, resorting to attempting to get inside a building, and besides CQC, Yuji would only be capable of trying to get traps or something alike to be able to do anything (i'll speak more about it in a bit) and there's also the fact that he's acting confident just because he's determined to not die to compensate what he consider was his doing.

I don't see anywhere that I'm saying Yuji would defeat Yuta. Read my comment again. Yuji was confident because Yuta didn't have any good CQC skills. All he was doing was using his high CE output with his katana to kill Yuji, which was dangerous since Yuji was weaker than Yuta.

Again, I think you should learn to differentiate between skill and power. Don't come here saying that just because Yuta is stronger, he should be skilled.

Wanna know another time where there was someone who outskilled Yuji (likely out-stats'ed too) and he resorted to getting to an enclosed space to try strategizing?
When he fought Choso. Oh and in that time he was also very confident he wouldn't lose, once again "just because i can't! i gotta do x"
and he lost too

Choso is literally a good H2H combatant. With his other BM techniques, he is one of the best CQC-skilled fighters in the verse. Bringing up Yuji vs. Choso to back up Yuta's skills isn't helping your argument at all.

Not only his attempt to bring the fella to an enclosed space talks about how he's feeling the guy's super skilled, but there's also the flashback to his talk to Todo literally saying that it's difficult antecipating the moves, and that was not even the worst part. Hell, he even tried resorting to another tremendously unusual strategy, reinforcing a knife with CE, that worked up until certain point because Yuji's not unskilled, but again: if the guy's just out-stat'ing and is not outskill'ing why would he resort to such unusual stuff?

Yuji literally says Yuta's moves are not hard to read, but his output is high compared to his, so any hit would kill him. That has nothing to do with skill, so you spamming a big paragraph isn't proving anything.

Also, Yuji was trying to ditch Yuta by taking him inside the building because Yuta's speed was comparable to his, and he couldn't outrun him in the open. He still skillfully dodges many of Yuta's attacks and even breaks his sword. You can't really be calling Yuta skilled with this irrelevant stuff.

How would that be talking about stats when Jogo never touched Sukuna? It most likely was about his skill to simply not die for a great while and be able to entertain him and it starts to be a stretching when try to say it's about other things

You don't need to touch others to know how strong they are in the verse. You can measure others by their CE output. If you read the manga, you would know this basic thing.

Also, you're literally proving my point. If Jogo was really skilled, he would have landed a hit, but he didn't. What he had was firepower, not skill like you're making it up to be.

to say that Gojo believed they could "reach him statswise and the statement doesn't talk about skill" is not only kinda ignoring scaling chains (and saying Yuta immediately kills Mahito unless for some reason you mean to say Gojo doesn't IKs Mahito, which is even wilder), but also is taking Gojo a tad bit out of character since he talks A LOT about making next generation better, not just stronger. Gojo is definetely talking about skill and strength

You are proving nothing with this paragraph. Yuta himself admits Gojo is him because he is who he is, not because he has a good technique, when he takes over Gojo's body. Even with Gojo's memories Yuta was getting his shit rocked by Sukuna while same Sukuna was getting cooked by Yuji. You are glazing Yuta with nothing to back up your statements, just assumptions with zero proof.

I'm not saying Yuta doesn't have skill but comparing his skills to Yuji is not canon. Atleast he is nowhere near Yuji without his copied techniques.

Anyway Mahito was able to land hits on Yuji while Yuta couldn't that's alone shows either you consider better skill or abilities they got. Mahito has more chances of touching Yuta clearly and using his CT than Yuta touching Mahito and using RCT.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Chapter 82, it's stated to be the reason why even Gojo can't avoid being hit.

And yet it does deal damage. Damage that cannot be negated by Idle Transfiguration. Literally just look at page 10 of chapter 82, a Mahito cannot use Idle Transfiguration on himself to negate the damage of a Domain's sure-hit effect.

That's a special case nothing do with normal domain sure hit. Yuta's domain attacks are physical attacks.

 

[Arkenis]

voting yuta.

 

[Sus]

counted

 

[Nonynho]

Yuji was confident because Yuta didn't have any good CQC skills. All he was doing was using his high CE output with his katana to kill Yuji, which was dangerous since Yuji was weaker than Yuta.

I'm not saying Yuta doesn't have skill but comparing his skills to Yuji is not canon.

Mf is trained and glazed by Gojo in canon, fought Shibuya Yuji - the same guy who gave Mahito a run for his money - SMILING while recognizing Yuji was not fighing back with all he's got

He definetely has skill enough to go untouched by Mahito before finishing using his s*

Also, you're literally proving my point. If Jogo was really skilled, he would have landed a hit, but he didn't. What he had was firepower, not skill like you're making it up to be.

You also have to be skilled enough to not die and keep regenning yourself with also having a solid chance of ending up touching Sukuna
So yeah, it is not farfetched to say he was talking about his skill

 

[Zabazab]

That's a special case nothing do with normal domain sure hit. Yuta's domain attacks are physical attacks.

It's not a special case. And it doesn't matter what Yuta makes his sure-hit, it will damage Mahito regardless of Idle Transfiguration.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Mf is trained and glazed by Gojo in canon, fought Shibuya Yuji - the same guy who gave Mahito a run for his money - SMILING while recognizing Yuji was not fighing back with all he's got

He definetely has skill enough to go untouched by Mahito before finishing using his s*

How reading someone mindset = you are good in CQC? . You also proving was trying against Mahito while he wasn't against Yuta still Mahito did way better than Yuta when comes to fighting skills and stuff Yuta overpowered Yuji with Rika while Mahito is different case.

You also have to be skilled enough to not die and keep regenning yourself with also having a solid chance of ending up touching Sukuna
So yeah, it is not farfetched to say he was talking about his skill

Sukuna was not trying to kill Jogo. He was beating him up. You are just making up stuff about Jogo surviving Sukuna's attacks. Also why are you bringing regeneration and other stuff. We are talking about skills for Yuta and Mahito tagging one another. Mahito has feats for tagging Yuji who was actually fighting him with killing intent while Yuta was struggling to hit Yuji who was not fighting seriously you even posted the scan.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It's not a special case. And it doesn't matter what Yuta makes his sure-hit, it will damage Mahito regardless of Idle Transfiguration.

It would damage Mahito physical form not his soul. No sure hit other than Yuji and Mahito damaged soul so far. Gojo's sure hit info dumps on soul at best. Yeah good luck proving Yuta's sure hit can damage Mahito soul.

 

[Zabazab]

Yeah good luck proving Yuta's sure hit can damage Mahito soul

All sure-hits would ignore Idle Transfiguration's defensive capabilities. Every single one. Chapter 82 page 10.