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Actually wait, wasn't it a plot point that all demons under Muzan's influence just outright die once he goes? Yoriichi winning the moment Muzan dies might unironically just be canon LOL
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Yoriichi Tsugikuni Vs Muzan Kibutsuji (Demon Slayer) [9-4-0]
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I added it as a weakness when the twelve kizuki became a standard for Muzan
Weaknesses: The sun turns him into ashes. Wisteria flowers are poisonous to him. Extraordinarily arrogant and a perfectionist, and is easily offended. A hit from Bright Red Blades can hamper demonic regeneration and incinerate his cells if at a high enough level. All Demons under his control will cease to exist if he dies.
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Speaking of, how the hell did that happen? Unless it's meant to be summons (which is meant to be listed as something else) that is pretty unusual (and something I'd probably use on my profiles if applicable)
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Passed a CRT to make them a standard equipment. The Twelve Kizuki are considered summons for standard equipment
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Alright, so he's just missing the "Can Summon" part of it. Gotcha
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probably a mb whoops
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It's effectively infinte.
The fact that Nakime can just straight up materialize towns worth of buildings in seconds, and teleport Yoriichi anywhere she wants instantly, while a much faster Muzan can do the same to help/support her, makes it essentially impossible for Yoriichi to effectively deal with their terrain control.
No, I don't think anyone was arguing that Yoriichi isn't superior to the Hashira in almost every way. The point of my message is that it's incredibly hard to detect even a large quantity of eyes, even to someone like Inouske who is essentially a walking radar. The other demons would take most of Yoriichi's attention, even if he does detect the eyes. And again, the eyes can also be in hard to reach places, which pretty much guarantees the demons always know of his location.
She can literally teleport, anywhere in the infinity castle, as well as create literally any construct she wants in there. Close proximity can turn into a few thousand meters real quick, especially since Muzan himself would probably be watching out for her.
Nakime is probably the single most important demon here. Not only is she the one who actually controls the IC, but it was also shown to collapse when she died. Killing her is priority, especially if Muzan himself is out of reach (which I'd imagine he'd want to do).
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I don't recall a statement about that and we have never seen her outside of it. Since trapping all of the demon slayers and having Nakime kill them from outside never comes up as an idea or possibility I would presume that the answer is no even if there is no strict proof for it.
How many eyes do you have in mind here? Yoriichi was able to cut 1500 flesh pieces from Muzan while he was fleeing and the eyes would be much slower than Muzan.
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In fact, Nakime changes the situation greatly.
I don't know where someone got the information that he will find her instinctively, but he can do it with his heightened senses. But only over a long period of time and on the condition that Nakime will stand still.
Muzan only needs to make a huge space a kilometer high and a kilometer wide, remove all the buildings from this space and simply stand on the ceiling. Even with a great desire, Yoriichi will not be able to reach them.
I don't know where someone got the information that he will find her instinctively, but he can do it with his heightened senses. But only over a long period of time and on the condition that Nakime will stand still.
Muzan only needs to make a huge space a kilometer high and a kilometer wide, remove all the buildings from this space and simply stand on the ceiling. Even with a great desire, Yoriichi will not be able to reach them.
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I dunno, at least a couple hundred, probably more. I'm not doubting Yoriichi's speed here, the eyes were especially slow too. I'm just saying that they can be placed in hard-to-reach places like on the ceiling, or on a random building, or in the walls, or anywhere else. With 30 minutes of prep time, and Nakime's terrain control, I'm sure the demons are smart enough to figure it out.
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Only Doma is out of character, so its option 1 across the board
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Well, Yoriichi stomps, simply because all 200 of Muzan's IQ is distributed equally among all 5 of his brains.
In the second scenario, they could create the room I described above, remove the entrance and exit, and fill the space below with Douma's icy fog. When Yoriichi is exhausted, Enma simply puts him to sleep
In the second scenario, they could create the room I described above, remove the entrance and exit, and fill the space below with Douma's icy fog. When Yoriichi is exhausted, Enma simply puts him to sleep
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Don't know if I made this obvious, but I'm voting Muzan and the Kizuki. They just have too many win cons and possibilities to play with (mostly because of Nakime). Crush him with the IC, teleport him to a bottomless pit and just leave him falling, trap him in a labyrinth or something and let him die naturally, teleport him into Doma's icy clouds (no resistance to ice manipulation or cold temperatures), or maybe just spam AOE attacks and hope for the best. Yoriichi's fast, but with half an hour of prep time and the ability to literally make whatever battlefield you want, it's kind of hard not to choose the Kizuki here.
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Mitsuri and Obanai were able to slash anything that tried to crush them apart while fighting Nakime, none of the Pillars got caught in a falling scenario they couldn't get out of even though Muzan was clearly preparing for pulling all the Demon Slayers into the Infinity Castle for far longer than half an hour, and it's very unlikely that Nakime can make a labyrinth long enough to make Yoriichi's speed or ability to just cut the walls apart irrelevant.
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Not what I meant.
I meant just kill Nakime, and let Yoriichi get crushed under the full weight of the infinity castle.
True, but I don't think the intention was ever to just make them go splat. And I don't think the prep time argument works here. Muzan is overconfident, he never once saw the Hashira as a threat.
He shamed Akaza for even considering the defeat of Rengoku an accomplishment, was disappointed when Gyutaro died, thinking he would've won without Daki or if he stopped fighting after poisoning them, scoffed at the idea that three pillars would defeat him (right before the Mituri and Obanai popped up), and didn't even consider the possibility of actually losing. It's clear he didn't consider the Hashira as powerful.
Now compare that to the guy who scarred Muzan so bad, that his subordinates saw his flashbacks of him on two separate occasions. It's almost certain that Muzan and the Upper Moons would take extra precautions knowing their opponent is Yoriichi.
I don't agree. But even so, I used a labyrinth as an example, it could literally be anything. Just throw him in a city with random patterns of buildings all around, and chill on the ceiling. Anything works. I admit, it's kind of out of character and anticlimactic, but the possibility of just starving or dehydrating him is absolutely on the table.
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Do you even understand just how large a labyrinth would need to be in order to prevent someone with Massively Hypersonic+ speed from speeding out within their entire lifetime? Something of that size being under Nakime's control would result in an upgrade of insane proportions for the verse.
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Didn't she get killed and the Hashira escaped? How would this work on Yoriichi?
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Yushiro (the demon boy with Tamayo) controlled what was left of Nakime's cells to send everyone out of the infinity castle before it fully collapsed. No one escaped alone.
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Just make a pac-man maze with portals. You reach the end, you get teleported back to beginning. But that's besides the point.
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That's not the size of the labyrinth that would keep Yoriichi trapped then and unless Nakime can create permanently present portals that Yoriichi cannot avoid or detect in time that would require her making an active effort. It also doesn't account for Yoriichi cutting through the walls.
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when has anyone been shown detecting Nakime's portals? And this whole conversation is besides the point. The point is they can just keep teleporting Yoriichi in random places to starve him, which I acknowledge is out of character. They have like 5 different options here.
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You do know that everything Nakime does is going to be in slow motion for Yoriichi and that he should be able to easily fool her senses with Fake Rainbow?
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Nakime can make giant portals and teleport people without them (1:39), so I don't think perception is gonna help you dodge literal teleportation. Tho granted, this is an anime only scene.
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Given that we accept Forms of Flame Breathing that have appeared in the anime and not in the manga I'm fine with that scene. It does seem significantly different from the tatami sliding doors though and Nakime would have trouble teleporting someone when she doesn't know where they are (like what would happen when she loses sight of Yoriichi whenever he uses Fake Rainbow or just moves faster than she can see). My main point here is simply that I don't see her actually being able to trap Yoriichi in a labyrinth like what you suggest and that is independent from whether or not she can contribute enough for Muzan to win.
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Also want to point out, the win condition is specifically via death. Meaning the characters aren't in a state of mind where they are aiming to immediately BFR and instead see the need to actively kill Yoriichi
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Voting Yoriichi FRA
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Fair. But Yoriichi wouldn't be focused on just Nakime, though. He would be preoccupied with the other demons, while Nakime is likely to be in a remote location, with Yoriichi not knowing she even exists. She can teleport him if he stops even for a second, or open a giant portal like the one in the video to send him a complete other region, or catch him off guard in mid-air (should be easy to put him in the air, considering Nakime can just straight up remove the buildings from under Yoriichi, and demon slayers have been shown unable to move mid-air).
