Yogiri takatou concept manipulation

[Ihsjihahxu]

I see yogiri's profile remove
Restoring Yogiri’s Concept manipulation type1


: Starting from Volume 15

To begin with:

ざっくり説明すると、主な特徴は恒常性だ。即死だの殺意を感知するだのはそのために発生している副次的な作用に過ぎないんだ。アレは人としての人生を全うしようとしている。それが全てであって、それを脅かす存在や概念に対して無害化や無効化を行い排除するんだ。排除された存在はアレにとって不要なんだから復活することはない。実際のところ、間違えて殺したのなら復活させることだって可能なんだとは思う。けれど、アレはかなり慎重に対象を選定していて、確実に不要な存在を排除してるから、やっぱり復活はないんじゃないかな。実際、これまでにそんな例は一つもない。 だから徹底的にアレの情報を隠蔽する一派もいる。知らなけりゃちょっかい出さないだろうってことなんだけど、それはそれで問題があるんだよね。なにせアレは取るに足らないどこにでもいるような生命体の一つにしか見えないからさ。人間スケールで例えると、散歩してたら足元にいた蟻がアレで、気付かずに踏み潰そうとしたら死んじゃった。みたいなケースもあるわけでさ。

To explain briefly, its main characteristic is homeostasis. Things like instant death and sensing murderous intent are just secondary effects that occur for that reason. It's striving to fulfill a human life, and that's everything to it. It neutralizes and eliminates any entity or concept that jeopardizes that. Once something is removed, it's deemed unnecessary and won't come back. While theoretically, revival might be possible if mistakenly killed, it carefully selects targets, ensuring the removal of genuinely unnecessary entities. So, there's never been an instance of revival. Some factions go to great lengths to conceal information about it, thinking that if you don’t know, you won’t interfere. However, this poses its own set of problems because it appears as just another inconspicuous life form. In human terms, it's like accidentally stepping on an ant during a stroll and not realizing it until it's already dead. That sort of scenario can happen.

From this context, we can see that Yogiri eliminates any entity or concept that is a threat to him. This means that he effectively "destroys" these concepts.

Next: Celestial Foundation Eater

In simple terms, a Celestial Foundation is the vessel for a world and could be considered the world in and of itself. On top of these foundations are placed the numerous things making up that world, and that is where intelligent life forms live. This is, of course, on a conceptual level, so, for example, in the world that Yogiri and Tomochika originally came from, one can say that space was laid on top of that foundation. In the world they are currently in, the land and sea are laid directly on top of the foundation instead. In short, the Celestial Foundation is what an observer would refer to as the base of the world.

From this context, it is clear that Celestial Foundation Eater exists on a conceptual level and embodies an entity that operates as a concept.

In Volume 3, Chapter 10, Yogiri killed the Celestial Foundation Eater, thereby eliminating an entity that exists as a concept.

Celestial Foundation Eater resistance

Resistance to Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) and Information Manipulation (Type 2: It live in the environment of the Sea which passively destroy any worlds without canopy and all worlds being conceptual in nature[10]. This also would include the world core, which comprises of information make up the world and its inhabitant and any alteration upon it would impact everything at once[11])

Omega Blade and Its Ability to Control Worlds

The Omega Blade can create worlds and control everything within those worlds. Even without divine power, it can independently control the world’s core. This means that concepts, information, and reality itself can be affected through the Omega Blade.

Many wonder why this is relevant here.

In his true form, Yogiri is the creator of worlds from the beginning, as well as the destroyer and ultimate controller. Thus, it can be inferred that in his true form, he also possesses the freedom to acces
s the core of worlds.



Yogiri Takatou Avatar : Concept manipulation Typer1 + Existent Erasure + Death manipulation (He killed the Celestial Foundation that existed at the concept level to leave the Ultimate ensemble)

True from : Concept manipulation type1 and Concept Creator type 1 and Information manipulation Type2 and Law manipulation ( His true form . His true form is the rules that create the world, and each world has different rules, and the world is also a concept, including energy that is information)


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[KingNanaya]

there are still too many crts open for this verse. this should be closed until one of the others finish.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Not gonna deal with "it is conceptual" for now, someone more knowledgeable on the verse like @SweetDao can handle that, however, I don't see anything indicating why the Conceptual manipulation would be Type 1 instead or Type 2 or lesser.

Sure, the thing is conceptual, but that doesn't mean it's by default independent of the reality that it governs.

Edit: Additionally, as Nanaya said, this should be closed until there are less then 3 active CRTs for the verse other than this one

 

[Robo432343]

this is CM type 2 or 3

not CM type 1

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Hard disagree with this.

 

[SweetDao]

From this context, we can see that Yogiri eliminates any entity or concept that is a threat to him. This means that he effectively "destroys" these concepts.

Me when I realize "concept" is an umbrella term to say "anything that isn't an entity".

From this context, it is clear that Celestial Foundation Eater exists on a conceptual level and embodies an entity that operates as a concept.

No, they are very much physical. I'll refrain from using stuff from the other novel, but just fighting really hard can destroy the canopy (mind you, it's supposed to be conceptual)

In Volume 3, Chapter 10, Yogiri killed the Celestial Foundation Eater, thereby eliminating an entity that exists as a concept.

This is a problem regarding how Yogiri's power is portrayed, but that's for later. Regardless, he just killed a fish, not a concept.

Celestial Foundation Eater resistance

Wank

The Omega Blade can create worlds and control everything within those worlds. Even without divine power, it can independently control the world’s core. This means that concepts, information, and reality itself can be affected through the Omega Blade.

No mention of concept, information is just a vague word without much meaning and reality is fine.

In his true form, Yogiri is the creator of worlds from the beginning, as well as the destroyer and ultimate controller. Thus, it can be inferred that in his true form, he also possesses the freedom to acces
s the core of worlds.

Nothing implies what you're saying. Also, his "true form" is something that existed since the beginning of the UEW, he wasn't the one who created it.

 

[Ihsjihahxu]

Nothing implies what you're saying. Also, his "true form" is something that existed since the beginning of the UEW, he wasn't the one who created it.

UG himself said that Yogiri is the thing that is the rule that makes up the world.

 

[SweetDao]

UG himself said that Yogiri is the thing that is the rule that makes up the world.

*Is one of the rules that makes the world.

I don't see how that helps your argument, tho.

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

1,i dont think the context of the scan meant some metaphysical aspect that supports reality ,so i disagree with this

2,if am not wrong ,the scan doesn't prove how a foundation eater is conceptual