Yogiri Takatou and retrun to concept manipulation again

[Ihsjihahxu]

I'm Back
I apologize for the old Yogiri concept thread that I explained poorly.

Let's talk about CM1 of gods who access the core of the world.
Why use UEG as an example? I don’t know who else to use, and UEG is the highest-ranking god with a profile right now.
As we can see, gods access the information layer and the core of the world, which grants them CM1.

UEG

Information Manipulation, Information Analysis, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1), and Reality Warping (Should be capable of accessing the higher layer of information of the world[72] similar to her angels. Can manipulate the world’s core which defines the world.[72] By manipulating the world's core, the reality also will be impacted by it. Those with the authority of god[72] can freely manipulate the world.)

Because accessing the core of the world means accessing the fundamental concept of the world, destroying this concept grants CM1, according to the explanation of Concept Manipulation:

Such concepts are completely independent from the part of reality they govern, except maybe of other concepts of this nature. These concepts shape all of reality within their area of influence and at whatever level that area exists in, and everything in it 'participates' in these concepts. For example, a circular object is circular because it is 'participating' in the concept of 'circle-ness.' In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept."

Then why does it grant CM1? If we destroy a concept, the object will also be annihilated.
For example, if we destroy the concept of a circle, the circle will also be annihilated.
But if we destroy the object first and then the concept collapses, that would be CM2 instead.
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And how does it connect? As we know,

In Volume 15, Yogiri is one of the rules governing the creation of the Ensemble World.

"Anything that threatens its existence as Yogiri Takatou gets erased.
Completely removed from the world.
Oh, not just the world he’s in. I mean the Ultimate Ensemble World.
I mean, just the word 'world' isn’t quite enough. You’ll have people asking about the area beyond the boundaries of the world, or other dimensions, or parallel worlds. So when we say the 'Ensemble World,' we mean literally everything that exists. I hope you understand."

"Hm? What is it? What is its true form? I don’t know if there’s really an answer for that. In the same way I’m me, and you are you, it is it.
It’s probably been around since the very beginning of the Ensemble World.
It’s one of the rules governing the Ensemble World’s creation and a being that helps regulate it.
It’s the Ensemble World’s limit, its end, and a stopper for it."

He is the rule of the world. He should be able to access the core of the world. He is the end of all existence and the world, the stopper of everything.


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As we know, in Volume 14, it was mentioned that he is one of the forces that control the Ensemble World.

"Yogiri Takatou is one of the regulating forces in the Ensemble World, so it would be a much bigger problem if he died."

And if he dies, it will cause a huge problem.

There are two possible interpretations:

1. If he dies, the Ensemble World will lose a fundamental rule that holds it together.
2. If he dies, everything will collapse with him.

Being one of the rules of the world’s creation and one of the forces regulating the Ensemble World means he can access the inner layer of information and the core of the world (concepts).
1-2 That's Concept Manipulation Type 1.


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3. Concept Manipulation Type 2
For destroying the relationship between the dream and the dreamer.
Since he destroyed Mitsuki’s object, it affected the concept.
As we know, according to Kouryu’s example:

"When Mitsuki saw everything as a game, Yogiri destroyed the control, and it affected the concept and reality."
That granted him CM2 by destroying the relationship between the dreamer and the dream.

"Yogiri Takatou killed the relationship between you and the world."
"What?" Mitsuki didn’t understand what that meant. He could understand the idea of killing a living thing. Even the idea of killing a phenomenon like gravity made sense, in a vague sort of way. But what did it mean to kill a relationship?
"If the world is a dream someone is seeing, how do you avoid that person’s influence?" Kouryu asked. "By cutting them off from the dream. Make it so that they can’t influence the dreamworld. At least, that must have been Yogiri’s conclusion."
"What do you mean?"
"You said this was like a game before, right? If we stick to that example, it’s like Yogiri broke your controller. Basically, you can’t do anything anymore." Understanding was slowly dawning on him. Mitsuki was starting to realize what had happened. And as that understanding set in, fear was not far behind.

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Concept Manipulation Type1 about Core of world
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Neutral:

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Concept manipulation Type 2 about relationships dream and dreamer

Agree

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Neutral

 

[Hirotoswnn1x]

Agree ครับผม

 

[SweetDao]

It's not CM1.

Let's talk about CM1 of gods who access the core of the world.

It's not CM1.

As we can see, gods access the information layer and the core of the world, which grants them CM1.

Never stated.

Because accessing the core of the world means accessing the fundamental concept of the world

The same core that disappear if you destroy the Celestial Foundation?

destroying this concept grants CM1

Imagine needing to go through the core to destroy something when you're the ultimate rule. The same core he isn't even aware of existing, nor does he have any proof of being able to erase concepts.

He is the rule of the world. He should be able to access the core of the world. He is the end of all existence and the world, the stopper of everything.

That's not CM1.

Being one of the rules of the world’s creation and one of the forces regulating the Ensemble World means he can access the inner layer of information and the core of the world (concepts).
1-2 That's Concept Manipulation Type 1.

That's causality manip...

"When Mitsuki saw everything as a game, Yogiri destroyed the control, and it affected the concept and reality."
That granted him CM2 by destroying the relationship between the dreamer and the dream.

Disagree with the thread.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Disagree with the thread for @SweetDao reasons.

 

[BoastJr]

Dao handled this so well last thread that I fail to see anything new

Also disagree FRA

 

[Wikisource]

Bruhhhhhh