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Because she can do that doesn't necessarily mean she did do that. Kinda a big case in game mechanics and PIS. If she did, then by all means, give it to her, but otherwise, no.
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Yhwach vs Saber
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THANK YOU.The real cal howard said:
To be honest im extremely suspicious about fate ccc as a whole, and yoy are right, I pointed it out in another thread that unless said hax was used and nothing happened it doesnt count.
Also the fate ccc is untranslated, to add to my scepticism of the game. I wonder how much of it is game mechanics.
Also every fate vs thread now is just "well such and such fought bb, heres a tonne of resistances they never showed!"
I also have a friend who wanks fate and he says WE wank fate, and BB inparticular. Its memeworthy tbh.
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@Aizen
If you're pissed at it, make a CRT, because I'm freaking tired of people saying I wank Fate after providing scans, translations, and other forms of evidence.
You could have provided input on the half dozen threads I made/participated in when we made these changes.
You're basically saying "Despite the overwhelming evidence presented, I don't think Fate should be this strong so we're obviously wanking."
And EVERYTHING I've given is given an in-story explanation.
If you're pissed at it, make a CRT, because I'm freaking tired of people saying I wank Fate after providing scans, translations, and other forms of evidence.
You could have provided input on the half dozen threads I made/participated in when we made these changes.
You're basically saying "Despite the overwhelming evidence presented, I don't think Fate should be this strong so we're obviously wanking."
And EVERYTHING I've given is given an in-story explanation.
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@Repp do you think I browse every content revision thread? Or that I was looking for yours specificially? Of course not.
Im also not going to make a CRT for a obscure non translated game fighting multiple staff members/fate fans by myself. Frankly speaking it is a waste of my time. Maybe sometime in the future.
Im interested though, how did you provide translations whilst the game remains untranslated? Also can you link me these threads?
Im also not going to make a CRT for a obscure non translated game fighting multiple staff members/fate fans by myself. Frankly speaking it is a waste of my time. Maybe sometime in the future.
Im interested though, how did you provide translations whilst the game remains untranslated? Also can you link me these threads?
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There are multiple translations in beast lair of characters abilities from material books/the game itself. There is even a complete/almost complete translated Gil route. All of the translations gives a in-story explaination of their abilities and mechanics in the verse. The "game mechanics" is to show how the characters apply their abilities in combat because CCC is a game not a VN where they can take their time explaining abilities.
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@Aizen
Then don't bitch and whine about things that you aren't willing to research because your high and mighty attitude is becoming increasingly intolerable.
As a former Staff member, you of all people should know the value of evidence. Several users and I went through the effort making making numerous CRT threads to get things verified while providing evidence and citations galore.
You of all people should know that verses can be far more powerful than the narrative makes them out to be.
I honestly don't give a damn that you're suspicious because I've provided physical evidence that you've refused to look at. So seriously, if you have nothing productive to say, shut up, because recently your input on a number of threads has been roughly, "I can't believe you're supporting this." without any sort of logic or basis in a way that's unbecoming of someone who's been on the wiki for as long as you have.
Now stop derailing and get back to the match.
Then don't bitch and whine about things that you aren't willing to research because your high and mighty attitude is becoming increasingly intolerable.
As a former Staff member, you of all people should know the value of evidence. Several users and I went through the effort making making numerous CRT threads to get things verified while providing evidence and citations galore.
You of all people should know that verses can be far more powerful than the narrative makes them out to be.
I honestly don't give a damn that you're suspicious because I've provided physical evidence that you've refused to look at. So seriously, if you have nothing productive to say, shut up, because recently your input on a number of threads has been roughly, "I can't believe you're supporting this." without any sort of logic or basis in a way that's unbecoming of someone who's been on the wiki for as long as you have.
Now stop derailing and get back to the match.
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'k, while I don't think BB herself has anything wrong in her current abilities, I have to admit that some servants seem to be getting resistances or some serious weird cross-scalling where people say "X beat BB, therefore they no-sell every hax she has which in turn makes all but a certainty that this character loses." which isn't really true considering that it was Divinity that got in the way of BB affecting them with a ton of her hax, plus the old authority related stuff.
A hax of the same nature but that has nothing do to with authority should still work.
Just my two cents on this matter.
A hax of the same nature but that has nothing do to with authority should still work.
Just my two cents on this matter.
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Also, leave it to BB. Generates controversy without even being in the thread. Leave her be, guys.
...That aside and for the match proper, I think Yhwach might actually have the advantage here, unlike in the Gilgamesh thread. Mostly because, while having indeed a good number of Resistances, Saber Nero still seems fairly outclassed in versatility (Gilgamesh could literally counter tons of stuff Yhwach had and then some thanks to GoB), and stuff such as existence erasure could pose a problem. Not sure how much his other hax works or doesn't, but sadly for him, he's not very likely to go using Sternritter powers, unless someone tells me that was CIS.
...I'm not voting yet, but---Also wait a sec, this is an Yhwach thread but his opponent is the one getting the hate? How?
New Yukari confirmed.
...That aside and for the match proper, I think Yhwach might actually have the advantage here, unlike in the Gilgamesh thread. Mostly because, while having indeed a good number of Resistances, Saber Nero still seems fairly outclassed in versatility (Gilgamesh could literally counter tons of stuff Yhwach had and then some thanks to GoB), and stuff such as existence erasure could pose a problem. Not sure how much his other hax works or doesn't, but sadly for him, he's not very likely to go using Sternritter powers, unless someone tells me that was CIS.
...I'm not voting yet, but---Also wait a sec, this is an Yhwach thread but his opponent is the one getting the hate? How?
New Yukari confirmed.
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Guys, try to calm down here....
If you have a problem with Hax resistances, make a CRT. Don't derail here. What happened above is a clear indication of this. If you have issue with hax resistances in general, make a CRT on that.
If you have a problem with Hax resistances, make a CRT. Don't derail here. What happened above is a clear indication of this. If you have issue with hax resistances in general, make a CRT on that.
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In agreement with Dragon.
Just have a vote.
Just have a vote.
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@Fate
He never used any of the Sternritter's abilities in canon since he had the Almighty. He also never bothered to touch Yama's Bankai.
In addition, Yhwach has implied that Ichigo might have been able to kill him if not for the Almighty.
Also, the official translation of the Root of the Beginning:
"The Ten Crowns are the start of human history, what could be described as the dawn of the light of civilization…. In summary, it's the power of the "Origin" (original model) from which human genes began. Anyone human should contain it within. So, I will add this ability to your Servant. If it's power on the same level, the "Ten Crowns" should not be able to "undo" it."
Unless one has power that exceeds the likes of Potnia Therion (which is BB's power level) they will not be able to "undo" it or override it. It's stated to a power on par with Potnia Theron rather than a specific counter.
He never used any of the Sternritter's abilities in canon since he had the Almighty. He also never bothered to touch Yama's Bankai.
In addition, Yhwach has implied that Ichigo might have been able to kill him if not for the Almighty.
Also, the official translation of the Root of the Beginning:
"The Ten Crowns are the start of human history, what could be described as the dawn of the light of civilization…. In summary, it's the power of the "Origin" (original model) from which human genes began. Anyone human should contain it within. So, I will add this ability to your Servant. If it's power on the same level, the "Ten Crowns" should not be able to "undo" it."
Unless one has power that exceeds the likes of Potnia Therion (which is BB's power level) they will not be able to "undo" it or override it. It's stated to a power on par with Potnia Theron rather than a specific counter.
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RotB literally equals buffing an existing servant. And sorry, but yes it does. It has to do with a bajillion of Nasuverse mechanics such as Mistery, Divinity and BB's Authority has a role in this too, so I seriously doubt that can be used to give them resistance to literally all hax BB had simply because other characters' hax have nothing to do with said mechanics - they were noping Authority and by default Authority related powers, not outright noping the hax. I believe this as much as I believe Reiatsu Crush is a valid argument. BB is currently being used as kind of a way to give servants an easy path for so many resistances they don't have in the book, it's not funny. But before telling someone to look at CRTs, it should be made sure that said resistances are properly added and explained in each characters profile - this in particular has nothing to do with this thread: It has to do with consistency.Reppuzan said:
How is someone expected to go into a character's profile and assume they have a ton of abilities that are not added there justified "because they fought X character and won".
Does Dialga, Palkia and Giratina gain access to resistances to all of Arceus' hax because they weren't oneshotted? No. That's the kind of thing I'm getting at.
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What are the votes again?
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I won't answer this one because I feel like the two of us would end up derailing if we kept this going. Just for fairness' sake, feel free to answer my above reply, but I'm dropping this subject.Reppuzan said:
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They don't have resistance to everything BB has. C.C.C. existence erasure is an example.
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There are so many unrelated replies in the thread, I honestly have no idea.Gargoyle One said:
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@Fate
My point is that BB was unable to "undo" their attacks and otherwise outhax them unless she decided to use full-on Conceptual Manipulation and Existence Erasure with the maximum application of Potnia Theron (C.C.C.) does that not constitute resistance?
But yeah, I'll drop this for now because this is getting old and now I'm the one derailing.
My point is that BB was unable to "undo" their attacks and otherwise outhax them unless she decided to use full-on Conceptual Manipulation and Existence Erasure with the maximum application of Potnia Theron (C.C.C.) does that not constitute resistance?
But yeah, I'll drop this for now because this is getting old and now I'm the one derailing.
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I assume Repp is voting Saber and Fate is voting Yhwach?
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@Repp No, actually the "BB was unable to undo their attacks" is a fair point against the Almighty here. I retract my whole leaning on Yhwach for the moment.
Waiting for more input on this.
Waiting for more input on this.
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@Reppu
Sorry to derail. But maybe, just maybe, it is best for you to write a blog for characters you have with multiple resistances to avoid this stuff.
Sorry to derail. But maybe, just maybe, it is best for you to write a blog for characters you have with multiple resistances to avoid this stuff.
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To be fair for both sides, never in my life have I seen Yhwach using any of the Sternritter's powers, so there's that, too. I go with it because it seems to be generally accepted that he has it due to the whole "Take the power back, gain the power", buut... 'k?
EDIT: In b4 someone tells me it was CIS despite me bringing up the possibility way before this reply.
EDIT: In b4 someone tells me it was CIS despite me bringing up the possibility way before this reply.
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Yup , Yhwach broke Ichigo's bankai before he could activate it because Kubo wasn't making much sense near the end of Bleach he said it was a fearsome power.
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@Fate
I'm aware that Yhwach should have them, and it's probably CIS, but if it's not in character for him to use, he probably won't use it in a straight up fight, since he still didn't use any of the powers of the fallen Sternritter during his final battle with Ichigo and co.
@Gargoyle
Yes I'm voting Saber.
I'm aware that Yhwach should have them, and it's probably CIS, but if it's not in character for him to use, he probably won't use it in a straight up fight, since he still didn't use any of the powers of the fallen Sternritter during his final battle with Ichigo and co.
@Gargoyle
Yes I'm voting Saber.
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Yes, Almighty is his go-to option.
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I'm not counting that as a vote.
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Reppuzan wrote @Aizen
Then don't bitch and whine about things that you aren't willing to research because your high and mighty attitude is becoming increasingly intolerable.
You are the one that is triggered and being personal about it, not me. As I said in my earlier reply I asked for a thread on this and you ignored it.
As a former Staff member, you of all people should know the value of evidence. Several users and I went through the effort making making numerous CRT threads to get things verified while providing evidence and citations galore.
I keep asking for evidence and I'm not getting it. You can see why I might be impaitent with it.
I honestly don't give a damn that you're suspicious because I've provided physical evidence that you've refused to look at.
Actually it seems you do, because that comment was never directed at you in the first place. Why did you feel you needed to respond to that in the first place? Once again I keep asking for proof for this kind of scaling and everybody (not just you) gives me the runaround. Im not ignoring evidence, you guys just keep refusing to link me these threads. See why i am suspicious of it?
So seriously, if you have nothing productive to say, shut up, because recently your input on a number of threads has been roughly, "I can't believe you're supporting this." without any sort of logic or basis in a way that's unbecoming of someone who's been on the wiki for as long as you have.
This is some actual fanfic right here, firstly I have never acted like that and never provided evidence for why I think so. At this point you are just trying to blow off some anger because someone doesn't agree with you. You are the one who has nothing productive to say, All you had to do was link me the revisions like I asked instead of writing a wall of offtopic angry text about how im "ignoring the evidence". Would save us both a good deal of time.
Now stop derailing and get back to the match.
You are the one derailing this thread.
Then don't bitch and whine about things that you aren't willing to research because your high and mighty attitude is becoming increasingly intolerable.
You are the one that is triggered and being personal about it, not me. As I said in my earlier reply I asked for a thread on this and you ignored it.
As a former Staff member, you of all people should know the value of evidence. Several users and I went through the effort making making numerous CRT threads to get things verified while providing evidence and citations galore.
I keep asking for evidence and I'm not getting it. You can see why I might be impaitent with it.
I honestly don't give a damn that you're suspicious because I've provided physical evidence that you've refused to look at.
Actually it seems you do, because that comment was never directed at you in the first place. Why did you feel you needed to respond to that in the first place? Once again I keep asking for proof for this kind of scaling and everybody (not just you) gives me the runaround. Im not ignoring evidence, you guys just keep refusing to link me these threads. See why i am suspicious of it?
So seriously, if you have nothing productive to say, shut up, because recently your input on a number of threads has been roughly, "I can't believe you're supporting this." without any sort of logic or basis in a way that's unbecoming of someone who's been on the wiki for as long as you have.
This is some actual fanfic right here, firstly I have never acted like that and never provided evidence for why I think so. At this point you are just trying to blow off some anger because someone doesn't agree with you. You are the one who has nothing productive to say, All you had to do was link me the revisions like I asked instead of writing a wall of offtopic angry text about how im "ignoring the evidence". Would save us both a good deal of time.
Now stop derailing and get back to the match.
You are the one derailing this thread.
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Saber wins for Reppuzan's reasons.
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Rofl. All of these Yhwach vs Fate characters are getting really dumb. If he lost to BB already, what makes him able to beat these other ones who you guys said are able to beat BB?
Such a "notable victory". Not to mention the massive AP and Durability difference.
Such a "notable victory". Not to mention the massive AP and Durability difference.
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Lol. That Yhwach vs BB thread was a stomp match aswell.
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This is literally the same thing Swag does when BB is losing a match: Claim it's a stomp, even though it's being argued for over 70 posts.
Makes you think.
Makes you think.
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She is apparently immune to everything Yhwach has with every hax under the sun. Makes you wonder why you don't think it should be removed.Matthew Schroeder said:
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Everyone, please try to calm down and refrain from getting personal on this. This kind of behavior won't solve anything on the thread in the long run and will only generate animosity at this point. If someone thinks it's a stomp, make a point as for why by adressing the characters.
If others think that it's not, don't say anything directly against users either. At the end of the day, this will create unnecessary frustration and nothing more (will just throw the debate in the wrong direction).
It's kinda uncalled for and, sadly has been happening a lot in this thread from all sides.
Take a breath of fresh air and then decide what has to be done here, keep it or close it. Throwing sparks from one side to another will complicate things instead of ending them. With that being said, I'll be leaving the thread so I don't risk making this worse somehow. Also my apologies if this reply seemed unfair to anyone here. Off I go.
If others think that it's not, don't say anything directly against users either. At the end of the day, this will create unnecessary frustration and nothing more (will just throw the debate in the wrong direction).
It's kinda uncalled for and, sadly has been happening a lot in this thread from all sides.
Take a breath of fresh air and then decide what has to be done here, keep it or close it. Throwing sparks from one side to another will complicate things instead of ending them. With that being said, I'll be leaving the thread so I don't risk making this worse somehow. Also my apologies if this reply seemed unfair to anyone here. Off I go.
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And here it goes again, Matthew accusing people and calling out names.
I'm not even going to explain to you why your claim is wrong, just stop provoking because it leads nowhere.
I'm not even going to explain to you why your claim is wrong, just stop provoking because it leads nowhere.
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