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Yhwach wasn't killed by Yama no but he was defeated and took enough damage that he had to wait hundreds of years to recover
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Yhwach Vs Medaka
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there is 0 information about their battle except that he failed to kill him.Paul Frank said:
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^Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
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He failed to kill him but it still took, what 900 years to regain his body?
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No.Paul Frank said:
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So it took 900 years to regain his pulse and 10 to regain his mind
That means he was dead or at the least incapacitated with no heartbeat
That means he was dead or at the least incapacitated with no heartbeat
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Sure, to fulfill the prophecy and not to slaughter his soldiers instantly.Paul Frank said:
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So he would be killed or incapped by scar dead for at least 900 years, using the same wounds that put him in that state, until he regains his pulse then.
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Thank you, Paul for a bit more clarification.
But overall damaged was still occured that lead to Yhwach's defeat.
You can argue that Yhwach is still alive or whatever, but this Yhwach is the same Yhwach from The Thousand-Year Blood War arc. In other words this is the same Yhwach that took damage from Still Silver and got defeated by Ichigo and Uryu.
@Sigurd Snake in The Eye
You can gladly make a CRT about Yhwach profile update after The Thousand-Year Blood War arc, but unless you don't you can't use feats or premises of a Yhwach we have zero wiki information on.
At the end of the day this Yhwach is same Yhwach that lost against Ichigo and Uryu and took damage due to Still Silver leading to his defeat.
But overall damaged was still occured that lead to Yhwach's defeat.
You can argue that Yhwach is still alive or whatever, but this Yhwach is the same Yhwach from The Thousand-Year Blood War arc. In other words this is the same Yhwach that took damage from Still Silver and got defeated by Ichigo and Uryu.
@Sigurd Snake in The Eye
You can gladly make a CRT about Yhwach profile update after The Thousand-Year Blood War arc, but unless you don't you can't use feats or premises of a Yhwach we have zero wiki information on.
At the end of the day this Yhwach is same Yhwach that lost against Ichigo and Uryu and took damage due to Still Silver leading to his defeat.
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...?Paul Frank said:
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Scar dead restores the damage the target had endured before. Yhwach was incapped for 900 years by the damage Yama inflicted so he would be again incapped for 900 years by that damage
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You can gladly make a CRT about Yhwach profile update after The Thousand-Year Blood War arc, but unless you don't you can't use feats or premises of a Yhwach we have zero wiki information on.
At the end of the day this Yhwach is same Yhwach that lost against Ichigo and Uryu and took damage due to Still Silver leading to his defeat.
I don't think you understood my point, this isn't a post defeat Yhwach this is his' 'peak prior to his defeat.
At the end of the day this Yhwach is same Yhwach that lost against Ichigo and Uryu and took damage due to Still Silver leading to his defeat.
I don't think you understood my point, this isn't a post defeat Yhwach this is his' 'peak prior to his defeat.
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It's annoying repeating this honestly. Yama has nothing do with the prophecy, you have literally no proof of any damage whatsoever when there is literally 0 information on it. Feel free to give Yama some hax take takes someone power, mind, strength, and life.Paul Frank said:
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So you're saying that
Yama fought and defeated Yhwach but failed to kill him
Yhwach lost his pulse for 900 years immediately after this
But it had nothing to do with the Yama did but instead Yhwach just chose to lose his pulse for 900 years even though Yama is clearly capable of killing him as seen with when he 1 shotted his double, who had all the memories and strength of the original. This same double states he has seen his bankai before.
Yama fought and defeated Yhwach but failed to kill him
Yhwach lost his pulse for 900 years immediately after this
But it had nothing to do with the Yama did but instead Yhwach just chose to lose his pulse for 900 years even though Yama is clearly capable of killing him as seen with when he 1 shotted his double, who had all the memories and strength of the original. This same double states he has seen his bankai before.
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The fact that at some point yhwach didn't have a pulse access mind means fair game for scar dead.
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@Paul
Yama fought and defeated Yhwach but failed to kill him
Yes, like the manga told us which could simply mean he defeated his army.
Yhwach lost his pulse for 900 years immediately after this
Nowhere does it state immediatly, unless you think he passed out on the battlefield of course.
But it had nothing to do with the Yama did but instead Yhwach just chose to lose his pulse for 900 years
Yes like the manga told us for the sake of the quincy race.
even though Yama is clearly capable of killing him as seen with when he 1 shotted his double, who had all the memories and strength of the original.
Except this double only copies memories lol, he was fodder to Yama. Even Yhwach told him not to engage because only he himself can fight Yama which he did any 1 shot him.
This same double states he has seen his bankai before.
Read above.
Yama fought and defeated Yhwach but failed to kill him
Yes, like the manga told us which could simply mean he defeated his army.
Yhwach lost his pulse for 900 years immediately after this
Nowhere does it state immediatly, unless you think he passed out on the battlefield of course.
But it had nothing to do with the Yama did but instead Yhwach just chose to lose his pulse for 900 years
Yes like the manga told us for the sake of the quincy race.
even though Yama is clearly capable of killing him as seen with when he 1 shotted his double, who had all the memories and strength of the original.
Except this double only copies memories lol, he was fodder to Yama. Even Yhwach told him not to engage because only he himself can fight Yama which he did any 1 shot him.
This same double states he has seen his bankai before.
Read above.
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Sigurd Snake in The Eye:Mr. Common Sense said:
Scar Dead: A Minus that allows Medaka to reopen any wound someone has ever received, no matter how old the wound is. This ability extends not only to physical wounds, but to mental wounds as well, allowing her to destroy her foes' minds by reopening all of their mental wounds and traumas at once, ignoring their physical durability.
Is Scar Dead not Causality Manipulation, which Yhwach resists?
Even if it is not, what stops Yhwach from just nulling the ability?
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This isn't a wound or damage. And i'll ask again can she even see Yhwach?Firephoenixearl said:
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This isn't a wound or damage. And i'll ask again can she even see Yhwach?
It still counts. Bad memories aren't damage yet they still count. It doesn't have to be damage in the literal sense, a not peak condition or something that would count.
Also she doesn't need to see yhwach. For real. Paradise seeing can do the job most likely though.
It still counts. Bad memories aren't damage yet they still count. It doesn't have to be damage in the literal sense, a not peak condition or something that would count.
Also she doesn't need to see yhwach. For real. Paradise seeing can do the job most likely though.
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@sigurd
Why would fighting and defeating Yhwach mean defeating the army only. It takes less assumptions to say "Defeating Yhwach" means actually beating Yhwach in a fight all things considered.
Immediately was the wrong word. Moreso basically right after.
So he fought Yama, lost, healed up, waited however long and sealed himself away not as a consequence of having fought Yama.
The double is stated to copy strength too. Yhwach also didn't say he was the only one who could fight Yama he said he was the only one who could seal his bankai. The Yama he 1 shotted was also heavily fatigued from the prior fight.
Why would the double who has Yhwach's memories say he's seen Zanka No Tachi if real Yhwach didn't see it?
Why would fighting and defeating Yhwach mean defeating the army only. It takes less assumptions to say "Defeating Yhwach" means actually beating Yhwach in a fight all things considered.
Immediately was the wrong word. Moreso basically right after.
So he fought Yama, lost, healed up, waited however long and sealed himself away not as a consequence of having fought Yama.
The double is stated to copy strength too. Yhwach also didn't say he was the only one who could fight Yama he said he was the only one who could seal his bankai. The Yama he 1 shotted was also heavily fatigued from the prior fight.
Why would the double who has Yhwach's memories say he's seen Zanka No Tachi if real Yhwach didn't see it?
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Sigurd Snake in The Eye:
Scar Dead: A Minus that allows Medaka to reopen any wound someone has ever received, no matter how old the wound is. This ability extends not only to physical wounds, but to mental wounds as well, allowing her to destroy her foes' minds by reopening all of their mental wounds and traumas at once, ignoring their physical durability.
Is Scar Dead not Causality Manipulation, which Yhwach resists?
Even if it is not, what stops Yhwach from just nulling the ability?
Nah it's not. Just dura neg.
The fact that it's passive. And he can't even see it. It's just a passive effect not something you can see being used like most things in bleach.
Scar Dead: A Minus that allows Medaka to reopen any wound someone has ever received, no matter how old the wound is. This ability extends not only to physical wounds, but to mental wounds as well, allowing her to destroy her foes' minds by reopening all of their mental wounds and traumas at once, ignoring their physical durability.
Is Scar Dead not Causality Manipulation, which Yhwach resists?
Even if it is not, what stops Yhwach from just nulling the ability?
Nah it's not. Just dura neg.
The fact that it's passive. And he can't even see it. It's just a passive effect not something you can see being used like most things in bleach.
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how can scar dead do anything against the Almighty powernull/adaptation , especially when they start at between planetary or universal range wich scar dead never was showned to go that far ? unless yhwach is already Bookmmaker'ed but then anything goes to kill him .
it can go both way but scar dead isn't a win condition for medaka here , not by itself at least
it can go both way but scar dead isn't a win condition for medaka here , not by itself at least
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They start at 4km not planetary range
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Re-opneing old wounds sounds like Causality Manipulation to me. How is it not?Firephoenixearl said:
And just because Scar Dead isn't physical, doesn't mean he can't null it - unless you want to say that Jugram's The Balance or As Nodt's The Fear can beat Yhwach because "Yhwach can't see the power".
He's vision allows him to see the everything in the present to the distant future, and everything that he "sees" will become "known" to him, and the powers that become known to him take his side.
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ho yeah , misread the SBA , sorry
still , scar dead was only showned to work on a few dozens meters at best and by going all out
still , scar dead was only showned to work on a few dozens meters at best and by going all out
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Why would fighting and defeating Yhwach mean defeating the army only. It takes less assumptions to say "Defeating Yhwach" means actually beating Yhwach in a fight all things considered.
Becuase he is a conqueror, we know he was gathering an army to take it over but failed. Regardless there is no proof here or anything at all so I odn't see why you're arguing this point at all.
Immediately was the wrong word. Moreso basically right after.
The correct word is unknown amount of time, he literally moved his kingdom in the shadows of Seireitei and no one knew. does this sound recent to you?
So he fought Yama, lost, healed up, waited however long and sealed himself away not as a consequence of having fought Yama.
Yes, if you bothered reading the 2nd scan I linked.
The double is stated to copy strength too.
smh no he can't dude, he literally has a twin brother that copies power which Kenpachi 1 shot . His entire purpose was to distract Yama good enough while he tried to recruit Aizen becuase he can copy memory and apperance.
Yhwach also didn't say he was the only one who could fight Yama he said he was the only one who could seal his bankai. The Yama he 1 shotted was also heavily fatigued from the prior fight.
Which means he needs to be on par in strength, he literally 1 shot him after stealing it.
Why would the double who has Yhwach's memories say he's seen Zanka No Tachi if real Yhwach didn't see it?
Trick question or something? you're asking me how he knows about Yama when he has Yhwach's memories. The smae way Yhwach knows everything about Ichigo without being there. Clearly he's familiar with the man who exterminated his race..
Becuase he is a conqueror, we know he was gathering an army to take it over but failed. Regardless there is no proof here or anything at all so I odn't see why you're arguing this point at all.
Immediately was the wrong word. Moreso basically right after.
The correct word is unknown amount of time, he literally moved his kingdom in the shadows of Seireitei and no one knew. does this sound recent to you?
So he fought Yama, lost, healed up, waited however long and sealed himself away not as a consequence of having fought Yama.
Yes, if you bothered reading the 2nd scan I linked.
The double is stated to copy strength too.
smh no he can't dude, he literally has a twin brother that copies power which Kenpachi 1 shot . His entire purpose was to distract Yama good enough while he tried to recruit Aizen becuase he can copy memory and apperance.
Yhwach also didn't say he was the only one who could fight Yama he said he was the only one who could seal his bankai. The Yama he 1 shotted was also heavily fatigued from the prior fight.
Which means he needs to be on par in strength, he literally 1 shot him after stealing it.
Why would the double who has Yhwach's memories say he's seen Zanka No Tachi if real Yhwach didn't see it?
Trick question or something? you're asking me how he knows about Yama when he has Yhwach's memories. The smae way Yhwach knows everything about Ichigo without being there. Clearly he's familiar with the man who exterminated his race..
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Scar dead when Shibuki, who has a weaker version than Medaka, used it was able to reach from where she was in the freezer, through the building and stretch to every spectator and person around the building. That's more than a few dozen meters.
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Re-opneing old wounds sounds like Causality Manipulation to me. How is it not?
And just because Scar Dead isn't physical, doesn't mean he can't null it - unless you want to say that Jugram's The Balance or As Nodt's The Fear can beat Yhwach because "Yhwach can't see the power".
He's vision allows him to see the everything in the present to the distant future, and everything that he "sees" will become "known" to him, and the powers that become known to him take his side.
It's never shown or explained to be cm. It seems to work in the body rather than time. Same as how broken bones ache with weather changes. It seems to be like that but on crack.
My point is he'd never realise there even is a power there. Unless you can somehow prove that he'd realize a passive power would be there.
Also medaka copies allmighty and solos. Her being able to read yhwach mind also helps.
Why we still arguing the yama point? The building being constructed of blocks was considered damage. Why is this state of yhwach not?
And just because Scar Dead isn't physical, doesn't mean he can't null it - unless you want to say that Jugram's The Balance or As Nodt's The Fear can beat Yhwach because "Yhwach can't see the power".
He's vision allows him to see the everything in the present to the distant future, and everything that he "sees" will become "known" to him, and the powers that become known to him take his side.
It's never shown or explained to be cm. It seems to work in the body rather than time. Same as how broken bones ache with weather changes. It seems to be like that but on crack.
My point is he'd never realise there even is a power there. Unless you can somehow prove that he'd realize a passive power would be there.
Also medaka copies allmighty and solos. Her being able to read yhwach mind also helps.
Why we still arguing the yama point? The building being constructed of blocks was considered damage. Why is this state of yhwach not?
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they're not around the building n they're inside the building just not inside the freezer
anyway , 50 to 100m with wank and medaka didn't show anything better than that , we could say without much headcanon that she increased the range by 20%( iirc , The End copy thing to 120% of their original strengh)
still not touching Yhwach passively at the start of the fight without him having a chance to adapt first
anyway , 50 to 100m with wank and medaka didn't show anything better than that , we could say without much headcanon that she increased the range by 20%( iirc , The End copy thing to 120% of their original strengh)
still not touching Yhwach passively at the start of the fight without him having a chance to adapt first
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@Fire
I'm quite certain it matters wether you can see your opponent or not. He has passive hax too and she isn't acausal meaning he'll know about all her powers before the battle starts.
I'm quite certain it matters wether you can see your opponent or not. He has passive hax too and she isn't acausal meaning he'll know about all her powers before the battle starts.
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To explicitly bring back old wounds that have healed is to undo them - that's either very specific time manipulation or causality manipulation.
Again, he can't see Jugram's The Balance nor can he physically see As Nodt's The Fear because they are passive powers. Saying that the Almighty wouldn't be able to null them, however, is ridiculous when it is the strongest Schrift and the best hax in the verse.
His ability to see the future comes with Info Analysis. All that he sees becomes known to him. Yhwach just looking at Medaka will tell him of Scar Dead's existence and then Scar Dead as a power takes his side instead of Medaka's.
Again, he can't see Jugram's The Balance nor can he physically see As Nodt's The Fear because they are passive powers. Saying that the Almighty wouldn't be able to null them, however, is ridiculous when it is the strongest Schrift and the best hax in the verse.
His ability to see the future comes with Info Analysis. All that he sees becomes known to him. Yhwach just looking at Medaka will tell him of Scar Dead's existence and then Scar Dead as a power takes his side instead of Medaka's.
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yhwach can see in the future everything that medaka will choose to use and almighty would passively null/adapt
only bookmaker would bypass Almighty null but yhwach would still see it coming
medaka : All Fiction erasing time + bookmaker GG
yhwach : absorbtion/EE/mind control from the future GG
only bookmaker would bypass Almighty null but yhwach would still see it coming
medaka : All Fiction erasing time + bookmaker GG
yhwach : absorbtion/EE/mind control from the future GG
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Don't think her punches are that strong, only whatever skill she used to destroy the moon (if it wasn't hax like All Fiction . . .)
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OP didn't specify a key so i'll assume last key. The Almighty does have passive effects via reactive evolution and power nullification. Fate manipulation isn't though.Yusuke138 said:
Don't know anything about any AP advantage here (not that it'll help) if true.
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Actually her durability is city-block level... Yhwach just thinks and she blows up. her Regenerationn is nulled as well. Or he just stands there and passively crushes her.
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Likewise, Yhwach's soul manipulation should bypassed Regenerationn and resurrection. This point is because Medaka has no Soul Manipulation resistance and her Regenerationn has never show to regenerated from Soul Damage, hence she likely be incapacited from it.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
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It can also be bio manip but let's not discuss that here.Warren Valion said:
It's the strongest sure, can it null them, yes arguably. Will it null them? No because he won't even realize the power is being used. His info analysis is specific for things he sees. Also unknown hero says hi to meeding to see. Almighty will be negged by unknown hero.
Medaka will passively copy almighty btw.
Also about powers taking his side. I'd be careful with minuses if i were you they are pretty tightly connected to their user. Not that unknown hero will ever let that happen.
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None of her abilities require her to see her opponent but it's not like yhwach will be able to see or remember her.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
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