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Remnant Physiology (Five Nights at Freddy's)

Remnant is the mixing of the tangible with the intangible, of memory with the present. The people and things that are lost- it makes them almost real againDr. Talbert Remnant is a key object in the Five Nights at Freddy's series. Remnant is the term for the physical manifestation of memories...
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William Afton (Games)

William Afton is the overarching main antagonist of the Five Nights at Freddy's video game series. While most of his past is unknown, William was a standout in robotics, and opened a family entertainment restaurant known as Fredbear's Family Diner with the help of his business partner, Henry...
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So, phantom animatronics, right? They come from Afton... right?


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Nope! He ******* doesn't! Michael Afton is just susceptible to hallucinations! Sure, William still has hallucinations he does in-character, but they aren't the phantoms. Should also note that manifesting Shadow Freddy is an educated assumption so I'd slap a "likely" on that shit.
 
Adem_Warlock69 said:
Is the FNAF3 Phoneguy really the most reliable source?
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Considering I'm fairly certain we never get yay or nay on the phantoms in FNaF3 coming from Springtrap, and the only reason the PhoneDude would say anything like that is because illusions have happened before with either the building or the type of ventilation system...
 
Ah, yes. Fazbear Entertainment-the company known to hide the truth, lie, fabricate fake media just to "disprove" that anything supernatural/tragic actually happened. Most reliable place to get our information from, oh? You mean we also have the books that scott wrote that specifically prove Phantoms are due to Springtrap/Remnant? Who cares!

Anyways, I hard disagree. There is many many cases where remnant creates illusions which already support me
 
ShionAH said:
Ah, yes. Fazbear Entertainment-the company known to hide the truth, lie, fabricate fake media just to "disprove" that anything supernatural/tragic actually happened. Most reliable place to get our information from, oh? You mean we also have the books that scott wrote that specifically prove Phantoms are due to Springtrap/Remnant? Who cares!

Anyways, I hard disagree.
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Yes, the Springtrap at that point who was kilometers away. At minimum.

Either boost his range to have been affecting the place for some time before Michael got there or the phantoms aren't specifically from him.
 
Where was that stated? Him being kilometers away I mean.

I always assumed he was behind the sealed walls or somewhere nearby.
 
ShionAH said:
Where was that stated? Him being kilometers away I mean.

I always assumed he was behind the sealed walls or somewhere nearby.
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You don't see one establishment from a company nearby another similar one from the same company, there's always a few kilometers or so between them

"Some guy who helped design one of the buildings was, like, saying an extra room got boarded up or something"
This would say that Springtrap was not on-site at the time of the statement, and was manually brought there during the day, which frankly even if they hit every stop light wouldn't take that much time unless for some reason that location was across the ******* state.(Possible, but similarly to extremely nearby locations, highly unlikely)

Should note, an interesting thing you have to deal with in FNaF 3 when you have a ventilation error is that you'll see more than one Springtrap.
 
Load of nothing burger

Games are unclear on what does these but contains other instances that support my point.

On the other hand Books are clear that Remnant does these.

I think we both see what option is actually supported...

Anyways put me on disagree, theres not much else to discuss here and I dont feel or like debating with you personally
 
I agree.

Also, from outside of universe perspective, the whole PhoneDude’s thing is to teach you what’s happening in the game. Yes, we know for sure that PhoneGuy lies sometimes in FNaF 1-2, but the problem is that those lies are blatantly contradicted and it is very obvious when he lies due to Fazbear Entertainment restrictions. Here, however, there is no statement nor implications whatsoever of Springtrap controlling Phantoms, so PhoneDude’s statement takes precedence over any other headcanons and assumptions.
And there is really no reason him to hide anything here, Springtrap did not even come at first night.

Supportively, we apparently do not see Phantom Animatronics in FFPS, although Scraptrap (same as Springtrap but redesigned) appears. It further supports that Phantom Animatronics are caused by vent errors and not William.

Funnily enough, there are no audio, video or ventilation errors on Night 1, and Phantom Animatronics do not come. Although it is not exactly a counterargument since Springtrap isn’t there either, but still interesting.
 
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DaReaperMan said:
Michael Afton is just susceptible to hallucinations!
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I mean, Phone Dude states that "[He'll] see some crazy stuff, man", implying that Phone Dude has suffered hallucinations as well despite Springtrap not having been released from the back room yet.

DaReaperMan said:
Should also note that manifesting Shadow Freddy is an educated assumption so I'd slap a "likely" on that shit.
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Agreed.

ShionAH said:
Ah, yes. Fazbear Entertainment-the company known to hide the truth, lie, fabricate fake media just to "disprove" that anything supernatural/tragic actually happened. Most reliable place to get our information from, oh?
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See, the problem here is that Phone Dude can't be covering up Springtrap's actions because Springtrap is released the day after Night 1, which is when we hear this phone call. Also, I thought Fazbear's Frights was a third party trying to profit off of the myths about Fazbear Entertainment.

ShionAH said:
Anyways, I hard disagree. There is many many cases where remnant creates illusions which already support me
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ShionAH said:
On the other hand Books are clear that Remnant does these.
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I don't think anyone's trying to say that Remnant and Afton can't cause hallucinations, just that:
DaReaperMan said:
Sure, William still has hallucinations he does in-character, but they aren't the phantoms.
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TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Supportively, we apparently do not see Phantom Animatronics in FFPS, although Scraptrap (same as Springtrap but redesigned) appears. It further supports that Phantom Animatronics are caused by vent errors and not William.
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Good point, also, this would probably make Mike lose his Reactive Evolution (rip)

Overall, I guess I agree on the main point of this thread. Everything Reaper said makes sense to me, and the context around the Phantoms makes them being directly caused by Afton far less likely.

One final point I will give, though, is that the Phantoms appear in UCN. Every animatronic there is meant to torment William due to representing his past actions in some way (Victims: OGs, Toys, Funtimes. Indirect victims: Fredbear, Phone Guy. Being springlocked: Springtrap, Afton. Tormenting his son: Nightmares, Plushtrap. Going to the FFPS building to kill kids: Rockstars, MMs, Helpy, etc. Being trapped in UCN: Dee Dee, OMC.) If Afton didn't cause the Phantoms, then why would TOYSNHK view the Phantoms as significant enough to create constructs of?
 
LightSoul8 said:
One final point I will give, though, is that the Phantoms appear in UCN. Every animatronic there is meant to torment William due to representing his past actions in some way (Victims: OGs, Toys, Funtimes. Indirect victims: Fredbear, Phone Guy. Being springlocked: Springtrap, Afton. Tormenting his son: Nightmares, Plushtrap. Going to the FFPS building to kill kids: Rockstars, MMs, Helpy, etc. Being trapped in UCN: Dee Dee, OMC.) If Afton didn't cause the Phantoms, then why would TOYSNHK view the Phantoms as significant enough to create constructs of?
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Are FFPS animatronics actually his creation? I’m pretty sure they are not, could you remind me? Also, I don’t think they are created to kill anyone? And, Nightmares are Michael’s actual nightmares, no? I don’t see how Springtrap is related to them either.

I don’t really think that Animatronics appearance in UCN actually means anything, TOYSHNK just chose some and also game mechanics plays some role. There are a couple of animatronics missing in almost each category. There is also literally Old Man of Consequences there…

Overall, nah, never thought of UCN in that way and I don’t think that’s the case.
 
I'm leaning towards a half-disagree, half-agree.

I see your point, however, the franchise is no stranger to retcons, even more when talking about the original trilogy. The first thing that comes to me at the top of my head is how Charlie was changes from a boy to a girl between fnaf 2 and FFPS (SAVEHIM - my daughter).

I would say what we could do is return to how things were before, with Afton having a "possibly" or "likely" when it came to the phantoms.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Are FFPS animatronics actually his creation? I’m pretty sure they are not, could you remind me? Also, I don’t think they are created to kill anyone? And, Nightmares are Michael’s actual nightmares, no? I don’t see how Springtrap is related to them either.

I don’t really think that Animatronics appearance in UCN actually means anything, TOYSHNK just chose some and also game mechanics plays some role. There are a couple of animatronics missing in almost each category. There is also literally Old Man of Consequences there…

Overall, nah, never thought of UCN in that way and I don’t think that’s the case.
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That's fair. I guess it's just my headcanon. Realistically, the Phantoms are there for FNAF 3 representation, so all other explanations are just empty speculation anyways
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Are FFPS animatronics actually his creation? I’m pretty sure they are not, could you remind me? Also, I don’t think they are created to kill anyone? And, Nightmares are Michael’s actual nightmares, no? I don’t see how Springtrap is related to them either.

I don’t really think that Animatronics appearance in UCN actually means anything, TOYSHNK just chose some and also game mechanics plays some role. There are a couple of animatronics missing in almost each category. There is also literally Old Man of Consequences there…

Overall, nah, never thought of UCN in that way and I don’t think that’s the case.
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In Dittophobia, it was revealed that the nightmares animatronics were made by Afton.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Yes, the Springtrap at that point who was kilometers away. At minimum.

Either boost his range to have been affecting the place for some time before Michael got there or the phantoms aren't specifically from him.
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Why would he be kilometers away?

The phantoms only appear after William shows up. Same as shown in What We Found. This same book also heavily implies they’re William’s doing through how they act
 
Robot972 said:
Why would he be kilometers away?
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Maybe if you read my next post you'd know...
DaReaperMan said:
You don't see one establishment from a company nearby another similar one from the same company, there's always a few kilometers or so between them

"Some guy who helped design one of the buildings was, like, saying an extra room got boarded up or something"
This would say that Springtrap was not on-site at the time of the statement, and was manually brought there during the day, which frankly even if they hit every stop light wouldn't take that much time unless for some reason that location was across the ******* state.(Possible, but similarly to extremely nearby locations, highly unlikely)

Should note, an interesting thing you have to deal with in FNaF 3 when you have a ventilation error is that you'll see more than one Springtrap.
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This should also be noted:
LightSoul8 said:
I mean, Phone Dude states that "[He'll] see some crazy stuff, man", implying that Phone Dude has suffered hallucinations as well despite Springtrap not having been released from the back room yet.
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DaReaperMan said:
Maybe if you read my next post you'd know...
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And the rest of my post addressed why William wouldn’t be kilometers away when Michael starts hallucinating.

Because he’s not. Michael doesn’t start hallucinating until William is in the building
 
Robot972 said:
And the rest of my post addressed why William wouldn’t be kilometers away when Michael starts hallucinating.

Because he’s not. Michael doesn’t start hallucinating until William is in the building
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LightSoul8 said:
I mean, Phone Dude states that "[He'll] see some crazy stuff, man", implying that Phone Dude has suffered hallucinations as well despite Springtrap not having been released from the back room yet.
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Hmmmmm...
 
Robot972 said:
Care to explain then why Michael hallucinates while the ventilation systems are working perfectly?
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Easy: The ventilation doesn't work the best in the first place, as said, it's basically falling apart, and a several hundred pound rotting dead guy climbing around in them isn't exactly conducive to them functioning well.

Should also ask... do you have a direct statement from a Canon and non-contradictory source that says that the phantoms are caused by Springtrap? Because the entire problem is there's no proof HE caused them from what I've dug up. We Instead have basically nothing in either direction except a single statement from Phone Dude who is a source who doesn't really have much backing him or against him.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Should also ask... do you have a direct statement from a Canon and non-contradictory source that says that the phantoms are caused by Springtrap?
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While we never get an explicit statement (cause **** if Scott ever wants to confirm anything in this franchise), the entire plot of What We Found is that the phantoms are copying William’s own tricks

Hudson does not start hallucinating the phantoms until William starts interacting with him, and they taunt Hudson about the exact same shit William was, drawing up memories of his abusive past.
 
Robot972 said:
While we never get an explicit statement (cause **** if Scott ever wants to confirm anything in this franchise), the entire plot of What We Found is that the phantoms are copying William’s own tricks

Hudson does not start hallucinating the phantoms until William starts interacting with him, and they taunt Hudson about the exact same shit William was, drawing up memories of his abusive past.
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Scans required?

Cause yeah that would be sufficient, assuming that book is canon.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Scans required?
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Starting from here for the rest of the book
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Cause yeah that would be sufficient, assuming that book is canon.
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Scott considers anything official canon.

The question of whether it’s the same timeline or not however is complicated because, again, Scott confirms nothing cause he’s a dick.

Regardless.

Given the post-Security Breach course-correcting Scott talked about in the second Dawko interview, as well as other evidence like lining up with descriptions from VIP, it’s almost certain that Tales from the Pizzaplex is in the same timeline. And given Frailty explicitly lines up with To Be Beautiful as well as the recent Into the Pit game, Fazbear Frights (at least the Stitchwraith Stingers) should be as well.

Taken with a grain of salt, of course, but at minimum close enough to be usable as supplementary evidence.
 
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Robot972 said:
Starting from here for the rest of the book

Scott considers anything official canon.

The question of whether it’s the same timeline or not however is complicated because, again, Scott confirms nothing cause he’s a dick.

Regardless.

Given the post-Security Breach course-correcting Scott talked about in the second Dawko interview, as well as other evidence like lining up with descriptions from VIP, it’s almost certain that Tales from the Pizzaplex is in the same timeline. And given Frailty explicitly lines up with To Be Beautiful as well as the recent Into the Pit game, Fazbear Frights (at least the Stitchwraith Stingers) should be as well.

Taken with a grain of salt, of course, but at minimum close enough to be usable as supplementary evidence.
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Isn't #8 a part of the definitely not-in-this-timeline section of Fazbear frights? Dunno if we should at all use it here.
 
ShionAH said:
The Story literally is made to explain what Phantoms are
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It could explain how William managed to have three kids with presumably the same woman and you'd still need a reason to call it canon to games, man...
 
Robot972 said:
Starting from here for the rest of the book

Scott considers anything official canon.

The question of whether it’s the same timeline or not however is complicated because, again, Scott confirms nothing cause he’s a dick.

Regardless.

Given the post-Security Breach course-correcting Scott talked about in the second Dawko interview, as well as other evidence like lining up with descriptions from VIP, it’s almost certain that Tales from the Pizzaplex is in the same timeline. And given Frailty explicitly lines up with To Be Beautiful as well as the recent Into the Pit game, Fazbear Frights (at least the Stitchwraith Stingers) should be as well.

Taken with a grain of salt, of course, but at minimum close enough to be usable as supplementary evidence.
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Frailty? Are you talking about the story in which a woman rubs a pendant to cure the sick and turns into trash? Iirc we had agreed the connection with Eleanor was too weak to canonise the FF books.

However, WWF is in a TFTP book, which albeit is likely not canon, due to the night guard not being Michael, him dying, and a fire never happening (iirc), we had agreed that the TFTP series held so close a connection to the games canon that, unless contradicted, they should be usable, like how the entire mimic profile was created.
 
Guys! I have a question: How can Michael even be affected by the vents failing and have actual, heavy breathing if he... Doesn't have lungs?
 
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