Why is Trigon 2B/A?

[Confluctor]

He doesn't have sufficient feats for something like that. Even if we take all statements at face value, at best he could be Low 2-C. In all the comics I have read of him, nowhere is he shown to be anywhere near 2B/2A level.

What am I missing here?

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

it is from scaling to dr fate and the monitor comparing his power to the spectre

 

[Confluctor]

First one; it's an alt future where we don't know anything about the conditions or how he was defeated. Or worse, if they even fought.

And statements like that are meaningless through and through. Don't see why it would grant such a high rating

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

First one; it's an alt future where we don't know anything about the conditions or how he was defeated. Or worse, if they even fought.

And statements like that are meaningless through and through. Don't see why it would grant such a high rating

Monitor knows a lot of stuff, so him comparing Trigon to Sentry should be credible

 

[Confluctor]

Anyone can compare anyone, I get that. But to get 2A based on something just like that... When his own feats aren't even close to it, just doesn't add up.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Anyone can compare anyone, I get that. But to get 2A based on something just like that... When his own feats aren't even close to it, just doesn't add up.

It does. Anti Monitor is like what, supergenius? His words probably hold more power than your argument from incredulity

 

[Confluctor]

I mean the scan doesn't say they are at that level or comparable. Just that these characters are above certain number.

If I say "superman and Spectre are above planet level" then does that mean they are both in 2B/2A state? Not really.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

I mean the scan doesn't say they are at that level or comparable. Just that these characters are above certain number.

If I say "superman and Spectre are above planet level" then does that mean they are both in 2B/2A state? Not really.

That's cause Sentry is multiversal lol

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

That's cause Sentry is multiversal lol

You mean Spectre.....

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

You mean Spectre.....

oh yeah I meant Spectre. Sorry for typo

 

[Confluctor]

That's cause Sentry is multiversal lol

The heck does sentry have to do with this?

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

The heck does sentry have to do with this?

he meant spectre

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Mar novu was researching every superhero and villain that is useful, from their unique abilities to their motivations, his statement should be counted as a feat, insufficient for a total level but good enough for a "possible"

 

[Confluctor]

he meant spectre

Doesn't make sense how It go from there to here... But whatever. Cool

Mar novu was researching every superhero and villain that is useful, from their unique abilities to their motivations, his statement should be counted as a feat, insufficient for a total level but good enough for a "possible"

I agree. I don't think he deserves the At least 2-B. Should he possibly 2-B. He would probably get a tier 3 by his own feats. At least 2B doesn't make sense considering his feats and overall statements are rather low tier.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I heard he even has some indirect scaling to Michael or maybe even Presence, or even his son Belial who was once king of hell?? If this is true...then atleast 2B / possibly 2A isn't far fetched, not even considering 1A implications.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

God, Monitor how literally researches characters is as credible as it can be.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

level 2-B is a scale to doctor fate since he killed him in a possible future where he was not defeated, not the scaled to spectre

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I heard he even has some indirect scaling to Michael or maybe even Presence, or even his son Belial who was once king of hell?? If this is true...then atleast 2B / possibly 2A isn't far fetched, not even considering 1A implications.

HellLords are not that powerful, they are always represented at the specter level (Jim Corrigan) but not as high as Lucifer or a specter without limitations.

 

[Confluctor]

I heard he even has some indirect scaling to Michael or maybe even Presence, or even his son Belial who was once king of hell?? If this is true...then atleast 2B / possibly 2A isn't far fetched, not even considering 1A implications.

Belial is not Trigon's son?

Anyway, even if he scales up to 1A (which is obviously wrong), just use that lol. Killing an alternate future version of a character without any known condition shouldn't use as a basis for scaling.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I think there was more context in the story, but hey, the trigon profile (and half of the DC profiles) are somewhat outdated

 

[Confluctor]

God, Monitor how literally researches characters is as credible as it can be.

Doesn't matter if he researches it, if his feats don't hold up, why grant such a high tier? That's my question.

And if he has the feats for it, why not just use that instead of something like this? Doesn't make much sense to me

 

[Confluctor]

I think there was more context in the story, but hey, the trigon profile (and half of the DC profiles) are somewhat outdated

This, I definitely, agree with.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Doesn't matter if he researches it, if his feats don't hold up, why grant such a high tier? That's my question.

And if he has the feats for it, why not just use that instead of something like this? Doesn't make much sense to me

because Monitor is a supergenius and his words certainly hold up.

 

[Confluctor]

Then by that logic, we should take the words of every genius in every story at face value. Here comes a billion tier 1s. Hooray.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

Then by that logic, we should take the words of every genius in every story at face value. Here comes a billion tier 1s. Hooray.

If a supergenius who researches superheroes says someone is tier 1 then yeah, he is

 

[Confluctor]

It's irrelevant when he doesn't have the feats to back it up. Would really like some scans about his 2B/A feats if you got it.

 

[Da_Lunge_Fish]

It's irrelevant when he doesn't have the feats to back it up. Would really like some scans about his 2B/A feats if you got it.

This statement is credible enough to warrant a tiering on it's own. Plus there's also Fate scaling. Just close this already

 

[Cropfist]

It's irrelevant when he doesn't have the feats to back it up. Would really like some scans about his 2B/A feats if you got it.

This is a troll thread.

 

[Planck69]

Agreed. Closing this.