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Why Goku Is low2C?
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Zamasu lost the ring to Trunks when he was split in half, only his will was going to other timelines, he has no involvement with the time ring.
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Trunks destroyed Zamasu to an atom level, Zamasu's body exploded upon receiving Trunks' Sword of Hope, nothing was left of his body.
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The "Time Ring" thing is headcanon. And he was literally merging with time and space, and eventually did become one with the universe and was also strait up in the process of merging with other timelines and thus became limited levels of 5-D physiology. He is easily Tier 2.
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I didn't know about this 5-D physiology from Zamasu
Braking
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5d shit? What?
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Key word being "Limited" 5th dimension is the spatial barrier that separates 2 or more space-time continuums.
Braking
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and what does zamasu have that is 5d?
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Okay, uh, dumb question, but if you an affect an entire timeline then your powers are 4D if you can affect more than one at once, then it's 5D?
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Well that doesnt make much sense. We treat objects that contain Infinite Universes to be 2-A, but the random unnamed space between those universes is 5D?
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Basically what Quantu said, dimensionality in itself doesn't grant any tiers unless there is substantial evidence of being infinite on those dimensions or if dimensions are have synonyms of each being qualitively superior. However, various tiers require a minimum of a dimensionality in which 2-C and above would be 5-D minimum. Zamasu hasn't quite reached that, but he was Low 2-C via becoming one with the universe and was in the process of merging with other universes.
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Dimensionality itself doesn't grant you a tier unless you can prove that the higher dimension works like a higher dimension
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While i have some problems with IZ justification, the time ring argument doesn't make much sense, so i disagree Fra
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do you have proof that he absorbed it?
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It is headcanon to assume Time Ring is the "Only" reason Zamasu was able to merged with time. Time Ring was destroyed so it couldn't have been the reason. Also, Time Ring only allows you to travel forward in time, not backwards Though not sure the explanation for how Zamasu was able to appear in the main timeline. But it also can only transport you to the time period, not make you temporally omnipresent across multiple time periods.
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I already showed just above that the time ring was atomized along with Zamasu's body, there's no way he has a time ring or merges with it, could it bring evidence that the ring still exists with him? Guessing isn't proof of that, okay?
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I believe he got this thing of going to other timelines through the universe merging, all law and order was replaced by him, even spacetime itself from that period
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Right, but he was explicitly erased in the present and was defeated. Wouldn't he have had to explicitly merge with the past, present, and future to qualify for Low 2-C, given how the series explicitly treats timelines? Also, Infinite Zamasu is only Low 2-C through his physiology. His power is never suggested to have increased after merging with the timeline, and not a single character in the entire franchise shares a physiology with Infinite Zamasu. Should normal Fusion Zamasu and Infinite Zamasu share a rating?
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wait it is not confirmed that he fused with all of space time? why does the profile say so tho? i am curious where does the "zamasu fused with time and space" bit comes from?
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Infinite Zamasu began fusing with Future Trunks's world and bleeding into the mainline timeline, which is considered proof that Zamasu was affecting all of space-time. However, after Zen-Oh erased the future world, Whis confirmed that the future world still existed and that Trunks and Mai could still travel into its past, where another Future Zamasu would exist.
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but it was implied as being a similar event as when goku black traveled to the past, why wouldn't be just dimensional travel? in this really the only proof for him affecting all of space time?
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We don't actually have any proof Zamasu merged with all of time as well (or actually, we have the same proof for Zamasu being Low 2-C as Beerus and Goku's feat is), because the present timeline is a completely different reality than the future timeline and these realities are causally disconnected. This was said many times in Z and even in Super too. Because of that, for Zamasu to be Low 2-C he'd have to be merging with the past of Trunks' timeline as well, something he didn't do as far as we know (or rather have no proof he did it)
And when Zeno erased Zamasu, unlike what he did in the ToP, the future timeline still existed as an empty void that Goku and Trunks could go into and get Zeno from there, while when he erased Universe 9, he erased it completely leaving no trace of it to travel to even by time travel, as even Whis couldn't find Universe 9 despite being able to look into the past as well
Besides, Zamasu was not actually in the present timeline, because it was completely untouched by Zeno's erasure even though every bit if Infinite Zamasu got erased
I'm pretty sure that based on the wiki's standards regarding 3-A VS Low 2-C, there just isn't evidence of Infinite Zamasu being any higher than 3-A
And when Zeno erased Zamasu, unlike what he did in the ToP, the future timeline still existed as an empty void that Goku and Trunks could go into and get Zeno from there, while when he erased Universe 9, he erased it completely leaving no trace of it to travel to even by time travel, as even Whis couldn't find Universe 9 despite being able to look into the past as well
Besides, Zamasu was not actually in the present timeline, because it was completely untouched by Zeno's erasure even though every bit if Infinite Zamasu got erased
I'm pretty sure that based on the wiki's standards regarding 3-A VS Low 2-C, there just isn't evidence of Infinite Zamasu being any higher than 3-A
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about the time machine going back to that period of time is shown within the work, the machine does not travel through time, but in different dimensions, Zeno erased the entire timeline, the disappearing time ring is shown.
it is said by Whis himself that that world was obliterated
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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They were in the same dimension as before with Future Zeno still floating there. It directly contradict the entire timeline being destroyed regardless of what happened to the ring
As for the fact that they travel to other dimension, that's nothing new. This is literally how time travel works in Dragon Ball. When someone like Trunks time travels, they don't actually go to their own timeline's past, but rather make a new timeline which is causally disconnected from the original timeline. Again this was stated many times in Z and Super so that alone won't cut it, nor explains why Goku and Trunks could return to the same timeline and get Zeno from there
This also doesn't explain any of my other points
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in fact it does not contradict, Bulma made it very explicit that she does not travel through time, but between worlds, the fact that the machine traveled to that period was because the machine was connected with that world, the time machine does not need time to travel, as long as it is connected to that world.
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You realize that they traveled to the same world as before right? If the timeline of this alternate world was erased, there'd be no location for the machine to get into, much like how after Zeno erased Universe 9 there was no longer a location called Universe 9
And I know she doesn't travel through time, but it doesn't matter. If both time and space of the alternate world would be erased, there would be no future timeline dimension to go into. The fact it still exists means it wasn't Low 2-C, and the fact Goku and Trunks can still operate there also supports this
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I just don't understand what your argument is for saying the timeline exists, since it is mentioned several times being destroyed, could you explain this to me? That timeline where it was has been reduced an emptiness, it's like Daishinkan traveling to the world of emptiness that doesn't even have time and space, for example Goku using teleportation to go to a world where there is no concept of time, It's kind of unnecessary to debate something so obvious, isn't it?
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dimensional travel≠ time travel
The time machine does not need to travel through time, this is already explained during the work, about the time machine going back to that location as I explained above.
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Of course, there was only complete emptiness left in Universe 9, like the timeline.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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A location that supposedly no longer exist had the erasure been Low 2-C. Read what I said again
Gilad_Hyperstar
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No, if it'd just be a complete emptiness, Whis would've said that the Universe is now nothing but emptiness, but he didn't. He literally said there's no Universe 9 to be found anymore
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how come it doesn't exist anymore? The fact that there is a void there shows that there is something, even though the worlds are separated by barriers, even if that line ceases to exist there will still be a void and it has already been presented in the work that it is possible to go to a void without space-time, I believe that it is not at all contradictory, as long as there is something like a void or a connection with the machine, it is capable of arrive at such a place
I'm having dinner here, even more bro, merry Christmas!
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Merry christmas to you too
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i think this point about zamasu is worthy of becoming a thread of its own
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i heard arguments against all the 12 universes being separates space times, idk if i should say them here tho, there is a rule against that and i don't to be banned or something
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if not rejected on the spot, I remember having a rule for Zamasu
