Who Can Beat The Numidium?

[JackJoyce]

Cthulhu Mythos Outer Gods not allowed. Tier 0 not allowed for obvious reasons

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Talk no jutsu. Unironically the only thing that defeated it in-universe.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Probably the doctor from doctor who since he is the only one i can see sucessfully talk no jutsu the brass god

 

[Overlord775]

Idk how high CHIM gods are in to 1-A, but maybe Cain, via reflecting the song back at him, or Jill Presto could be able to defeat him

 

[Ogbunabali]

The Thalmor already tried that, they created mirrors that reflected the World Refusals back at him, and the Numidium just Sang harder back at them and they went poof.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Probably the doctor from doctor who since he is the only one i can see sucessfully talk no jutsu the brass god

I was going to suggest this lol

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The Thalmor already tried that, they created mirrors that reflected the World Refusals back at him, and the Numidium just Sang harder back at them and they went poof.

MIRROR-MAKE (O.C.)
THALM[OR] MIRROR-MAKES ARE UP. BLESS US OUR BENDS.
SUNBIRD 2 SCRIBE (O.C.)
NVN Ziggurwraith Never Here In the First Place, its world-refusals have negated negation. Sensineers recommend that you do not sleeve. Repeat--
"Its world-refusals have negated negation." is one of the funniest things I've read in TES

 

[StarSlayer666]

 

[Dvorak1902]

Nobody:

The Numidium:

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Someone make a Jubal profile already. Would love to see the power of 1-A Social Influencing.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Midyear vacation times approaches in my home country.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Jubal utterly DESTROYS the Numidium using FACTS and LOGIC

 

[Overlord775]

Jubal utterly DESTROYS the Numidium using FACTS and LOGIC

Numidium wrecks via NOU

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Numidium wrecks via NOU

Erm, Jubal canonically beat the Numidium using facts and logic.

 

[DistinctiveFeature]

Anything that has abstract enough mind to communicate with the Numidium and convince it against it's nihilistic nature.


Before being erased of course. Which is an extremely hard thing to do.

 

[JackJoyce]

I bet she could do it. Why should Superman always save the day?

 

[Zhepar]

if someone knows another answer to this i would like to hear, i am doing a RPG based in elder scrolls and thinking as a last enemy, after 1 year playing or more, the numidium.

 

[Ogbunabali]

I wouldn't recommend a full on fight with the Numidium. The Nerevarine themselves with their own Akulakhan couldn't stop it, same with tal(OS) and Vivec. This guy eats 1-As for breakfast.

I mean you can always take creative liberty and nerf it or create some kind of weakness that would make it possible for the heroes to beat him. But normally he would be unkillable.

 

[Zhepar]

That's why i am using Gurps they will deal like their characthers would and any outcome is valid, they may die or at least flee, it does not matter

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Jubal had to achieve CHIM just to get the Numidium to stop and listen to him for a moment.

 

[S.T.A.L.K.B.E.R.2]

I'm actually curious for awhile, can The Numidium defeat someone like Hajun or The Presence just by World Refusal? I'm not really expert in 1-A Battle but I'm very curious to hear if he can actually do it or it'll has some dooper more infinity than yo again. actually is there a chart for 1-As characters scaling? (I'm actually ES fan myself and I don't even know lol)

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

It's a bit of an NLF to assume he could do it to any 1-A, especially ones on a much higher scale than the Numidium.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It has little to do with AP.

 

[Dvorak1902]

How strong is he really in 1-A? I see people claiming he can beat the Outer Gods or insanities like that, but I don't think he should scale to things so above TES in power out of simple ambiguity.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

You mean the whole Zero Sum thing?

I mean

You're wiped from both existence and nonexistence on a 1-A scale

...Am I misisng something?

 

[TacticalNuke002]

Zero Sum should ignore tiers by the very nature of its ability.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

You guys need to get weird and learn lore.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I mean

I might learn Expanded Elder Scrolls lore at some point (I like the games only so far)

But from a debating standpoint just saying "you need to learn the lore" isn't helpful

 

[Overlord775]

Anyone on a higher scale than the full dream of the godhead would be able to resist Zero Sum

 

[DistinctiveFeature]

Also the concept of Zero-Sum itself is weird because it isn't direct erasure so it isn't bound to tiers. It is telling someone on a cosmic scale that their life is a lie and they're a dream and therefore do not truly exist so they are absorbed into the boundless being of the Godhead. Using it in VS debates is weird.

 

[Overlord775]

high end CHIM gods can survive it tho

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

I agree it's extremely weird and cannot truly be placed at a distinctive tier on this wiki imo.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Say, Zero Summing isn't really direct XE, but something like, making The Godhead erase you?

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

CHIM gods survive it because they aren't affected by the realization because they're already realized it. Doesn't mean it's the same tier as them and CHIM gods for one aren't "baseline 1-A".

 

[GLHF22]

All outer God say no u to world refusal since they know they are but dream of spaghetti god

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

They're not baseline but they're not exceptionally high either. Like, the same level as the presence, at best.

 

[GLHF22]

I mean even nyarlathothep one of the weakest outer Gods stomp hajun

 

[DistinctiveFeature]

Say, Zero Summing isn't really direct XE, but something like, making The Godhead erase you?

More like absorb you.

 

[DistinctiveFeature]

They're not baseline but they're not exceptionally high either. Like, the same level as the presence, at best.

If we're going by levels of transecendence to quantify 1-As. One could argue CHIM gods to transcend infinite infinities of layers beyond baseline outerversal. This is legitimate but it requires to really rework the cosmology and make extreme arguments. Most people would think it's wank.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I mean, the cosmology from what I've seen isn't on that level.


From what I've seen. If I do see evidence of the 1-As being on a higher scale than that, I'll concede. But I haven't seen any so far.