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Is this 1-A?

I believe all you're missing is scans showing that the void is above everything else.
 
I believe all you're missing is scans showing that the void is above everything else.
There is one thing above it that encompasses it. But it is possible that it is a deeper part of the sea since they both do the same stuff.


Also the absolute being and monarchs are the strongest things in the verse and they are bound by it (except the shadow monarch cause it is his domain. Or rather he is it itself.)
 
There is one thing above it that encompasses it. But it is possible that it is a deeper part of the sea since they both do the same stuff.
Is there scans or evidence pointing towards the void being above the concepts of Space and Time?
Also the absolute being and monarchs are the strongest things in the verse and they are bound by it (except the shadow monarch cause it is his domain. Or rather he is it itself.)
Unless they're already 1-A then no.
 
Is there scans or evidence pointing towards the void being above the concepts of Space and Time?
Absolute being is the one who created all concepts in verse including time and space,yet still bound by it. Also it existed before it .
Unless they're already 1-A then no.
They aren’t 1-A currently . THO thier is a way for them to get it. The absolute being created another void of emptiness devoid of time and space (actually devoid of all concepts) so can maybe argue BDE2 based on that. And monarchs have possible R>F. Yet those things are still lower than sea of death.
 
there are some evidences that could potentially implied 1-A, though not really concrete, of course you can argue for it, but i doubt it get accepted easily, also the case of anti-feats to if we want to talk about 1-A
What more is needed? Also I asked around already,I doubt there are anti-feats. Tho we will see in a few months when the profile is made and I can make a thread for it
 
What more is needed? Also I asked around already,I doubt there are anti-feats. Tho we will see in a few months when the profile is made and I can make a thread for it
probably will wait until the thread is made to see, cause it is very hard to give exact example
 
A lot of very clear issues with this if you actually read and comprehend the scans.

1. The Ocean of the Afterlife is just nothingness. Nothing more, nothing less. It is effectively the realm of death. And souls perish (get turned to nonexistence) at the end of their lives.

2. Living things are bound to it because it represents death. Not because it's some overarching source of the cosmology.

3. The World Tree simply encompasses the entire cosmology, which is 2-B to 2-A at best. The Ocean is the roots of that tree.

4. Again, "reduced to nothingness" in this context just means you die and thus your soul vanishes.

5. You become one with nothingness because you literally die and vanish into nothing lol.

Absolutely doesn't meet the conditions for BDE2 or 1-A. It's just a nonexistence realm that is representative of where souls /existences go when they die. (They vanish into a sea of nothing)

How you could extrapolate these scans so far is insane to me.

The one thing I can see from this is Jin Woo having the ability to turn nonexistence into existence and bring back souls.
 
Absolutely doesn't meet the conditions for BDE2 or 1-A. It's just a nonexistence realm that is representative of where souls /existences go when they die. (They vanish into a sea of nothing)
this void stuff is the most wanked right now, lol. People are really trying 1A with it, focusing on two things in mind: everything turns into nothingness in the void, and secondly, it contains spacetimes, when that's not the case for a 1A .
 
A lot of very clear issues with this if you actually read and comprehend the scans.

1. The Ocean of the Afterlife is just nothingness. Nothing more, nothing less. It is effectively the realm of death. And souls perish (get turned to nonexistence) at the end of their lives.
Yeah doesn’t really matter. Sea of death would still be a void that dwarfs reality.
2. Living things are bound to it because it represents death. Not because it's some overarching source of the cosmology.
Almost like dead things are also bound to it things like undead,ghosts,etc as it is death itself . everything is still bound by it. The fact that it encompasses the very thing that sustains reality already puts it above it. It is also in fact the very thing that can destroy all of reality as well. Has people questioning if gods are absolute in the face of such a thing. It is the very reason why infinite power doesn’t exist,cause everything is bound by it and therefore cannot be infinite as it has an end (death) (do note that there is someone who has mid godly regen yet is still not counted as immortal)


Death is absolute

If it can die. Then it is a finite creature,and since everything can die then there is no such thing as infinite power.



But jinwoo trancends death and is the only true immortal . (Next thread will be stuff about Jinwoo encompassing all of reality so be prepared)

Also the statement of it being impossible for jinwoo is proven wrong when he goes and meets ashborn

Can find the scan later


3. The World Tree simply encompasses the entire cosmology, which is 2-B to 2-A at best. The Ocean is the roots of that tree.
I find it funny how you didn’t even read the novel and are yet again trying to talk. The roots exist in the sea. As the world tree is a weed planted by the absolute being. Yet this tree that sustains reality is simply like a needle inside a desert (the sea) the ocean isn’t the roots, idk where you got that from
4. Again, "reduced to nothingness" in this context just means you die and thus your soul vanishes.
Died in spiritual state. And therefore the soul is destroyed.they RETURN to nothingness as the sea of death is where all things are born (from the world tree) and where everything RETURNS when they die. You can clearly see the word RETURN. Hope you are doing this on purpose just to rage bait
5. You become one with nothingness because you literally die and vanish into nothing lol.
Yeah… that is the whole point. All that exists is nothingness of the void. And when you die you get reduced to said nothingness and become of the same nature becoming one with it. The now dead and NONEXISTENT absolute being.the absolute being is of the same nature as the sea. They statement about returning to the sea is entirely different tho
Absolutely doesn't meet the conditions for BDE2 or 1-A. It's just a nonexistence realm that is representative of where souls /existences go when they die. (They vanish into a sea of nothing)
It is a void of nothingness beyond reality that the absolute being who created everything is also bound by… and I also proved that they still go to such a place even if their soul is destroyed or erased.
How you could extrapolate these scans so far is insane to me.
Literally nothing is extrapolated, just you yet again not being able to read,just like how being able to destroy all of existence is lower than planetary.when you literally use that same statement in your sandbox.
The one thing I can see from this is Jin Woo having the ability to turn nonexistence into existence and bring back souls.
Shadows are of the same nature as the sea, Jin woo is the ruler of the sea. And his power works by pulling up thier nonexistent self into reality with thier body as a medium.

Covered in the void itself

You genuinely didn’t debunk a thing,if anything you just proved that you didn’t even read the scans.


The sea of death remains a void of nothingness, beyond reality, encompassing it.being the very thing that destroys all of existence,the only infinite thing that everything is reduced to. As we know that the absolute being created everything in the universe, we know that the sea would therefore be beyond everything that the absolute being created including all concepts as no power works in the face of death.

Jinwoo is the abyss,DEATH itself.(death is only apart of him) will make another thread about who Jinwoo really is

Stated by the shadow monarch himself that he is death itself.

(I am going to sleep. So you can just type whatever you want. I will debunk everything you say when I wake up as you yet again talk saying something didn’t happen when you haven’t even read the series)


This isn’t at all similar to arrowverse. As the very reason the void is beyond everything is cause it is the end of everything.
 
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3. The World Tree simply encompasses the entire cosmology, which is 2-B to 2-A at best. The Ocean is the roots of that tree.
Destroy everything he had created within the abyss

Destroy everything he had created

Along said being described as a needle within a desert and the roots are in the ocean

With the world tree being described as the needle and the ocean being described as more vast then a desert

At what point make it sound like the roots are the afterlife ocean and not just encompassed within it

Literally what gave you the opinion that the world tree encompasses stuff
 
You are literally proving everything I said right. Thank you for the additional arguments against you own post, I guess.

My work is done here.
 
You are literally proving everything I said right. Thank you for the additional arguments against you own post, I guess.

My work is done here.
Cool. Loved your statement about the sea of death being roots of the world tree. Makes so much sense,is totally what the scan says. Regardless I don’t see a reason to associate with you since you sadly cannot understand arguments that are made and like to infuse your own head canon into series that you have not read.and refuse to acknowledge when you are wrong even with a direct scan.

Doesn’t really matter since your vote doesn’t count. I will be making a thread and your disagreement will not affect the outcome.

I am not trying to be rude,but your takes are disingenuous.


Being able of Destroying all of existence/creating countless universes is lower than planetary according to you cause avatars don’t have feats even though original form is what scales in the first place.
 
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