What is the difference between Low 2-C and 3-A?

[Iamunanimousinthat]

As the title explains. What is the difference betwen Low 2-C and 3-A. I'm very confused as to what is the ultimate divisor between the two categories?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Space-time is the divisor.

3-A: You just destroy the physical matter of the universe.

Low 2-C: You destroy the space-time of a given universe.

 

[Skytheblue]

3-A is three dimensional power in a universal scale. Low 2-C is four dimensional power in a universal scale. I'm pretty sure that's how it is.

The difference between 3-A and Low 2-C is two degrees of infinity IIRC.

 

[Antvasima]

Saikou is correct.

 

[Fllflourine]

3-A: You destroy the universe. Congratulations, you get: A void where the stars and planets used to be.

Low 2-C: You destroy the universe, except this time, it's on every point of its existence, past, present, future. You not only obliterate the universe now, but its space-time as well.

 

[Skytheblue]

3-A: You destroy the universe. Congratulations, you get: A void where the stars and planets used to be.
Low 2-C: You destroy the universe, except this time, it's on every point of its existence, past, present, future. You not only obliterate the universe now, but its space-time as well.

Then why is Zeno 2-C? You said Low 2-C is destroying a universe in every point of its existence, including the past, present, and future. But Zeno only destroyed Universe 7 in the future timeline. If you go back to the past (the main timeline), universe 7 still exists. Therefore Zeno didn't destroy the time of the universe at all, therefore he doesn't qualify for Low 2-C.

 

[Antvasima]

Zamasu was spreading throughout the entire timeline and beyond, and Zen'o destroyed him.

In addition, Whis stated that Zen'o could completely erase all of existence.

Timelines are also not necessarily involved for Low 2-C, just an entire space-time continuum, whereas 3-A means merely destroying all of the physical matter.

 

[Soldier_Blue]

whereas 3-A means merely destroying all of the physical matter.

This is why Saiyan God level characters are 3-A, right? Because the old Supreme Kai stated that Goku and Beerus were going to destroy all matter in the universe and reduce it to perfect vacuum?

 

[Skytheblue]

Low 2-C is destroying the entire space-time of a universe. Meaning that absolutely all of time is destroyed along with the space of the universe. So whether you go to the past or the future, the universe should still be destroyed. Yet universe 7 still exists in a different time (the past) and is only destroyed in the future. Therefore it's illogical to say that Zeno destroyed the space time when the universe still exists in a different time. I'm not arguing against tier 2 Zeno (cuz of the Whis thing) but I want you to answer this.

You said that Low 2-C is destroying the entire space time, then you say that time doesn't matter. That's completely contradictory.

 

[Antvasima]

@Soldier Blue

I do not remember so well. Sorry.

 

[Fllflourine]

Ech. I was basically expanding on what Saikou said, which lead to me quoting what Azathoth was saying in this thread about Low 2-C (That destroying the universe's spacetime is akin to destroying it across its past, present, and future), and now you decide to take it up and bring Zeno into this discussion. Shouldn't it be in another thread? Preferably in the Q&A Board.

I do not know about, nor care about DBS or its context, so I'm not one to answer such a question, Skytheblue.

 

[FanofRPGs]

Low 2-C means either two things:

1. A person destroys the entire space-time continuum of a universe

2. A person destroys a sufficiently high amount of 4-D hyperspace

If a person destroys all the space of a finite universe, its 3-A. If its infinite, its high 3-A, if one destroys an insufficient amount of 4-D hyperspace, its most likely high 3-A. If one destroys an insufficient amont of Temporal existence, its just hax. 4-D space =/= time, rather one is tier 2 when pertaining to time if they can manipulate, warp, or destroy timelines and/or exist outside the bounds of all of the space time continuum.as they are dealing with destroying an infinite quantity of infinity, meaning "4-D" in a sense

 

[Antvasima]

@Skytheblue

What I mean is that we rate some Low 2-C characters that way without any mention of timelines, simply due to that they are able to destroy an entire continuum.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, 3-A is simply about destroying the physical matter of a universe, such as by an extreme omnidirectional energy discharge or shockwave, not the entire existence of the universe itself, as far as I am aware.

 

[Skytheblue]

What would the rating be if a character destroyed all of space in a universe, but not the time. Becasue I think thats' exactly what Zeno did. He destroyed the space, but not the time of the universe, because the universe is perfectly fine in a different time.

 

[Dark649]

Since the original question is resolved i will close this thread as this is not a db thread.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Wait before it's close, I have one more question:


A character doesn't have to destroy the entire timeline in order to be considered Low 2-C, just the space-time?

 

[Skytheblue]

Wait before it's close, I have one more question:

A character doesn't have to destroy the entire timeline in order to be considered Low 2-C, just the space-time?

Destroying an entire timeline is the same as destroying the entire space time.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

This is where I am confused.

What is defined as spacetime here? And what is defined as Timeline?

From my understanding spacetime is the fabric that the universe it self is made of and that all the matter exists in.

And a timeline was all the changes a universe goes through from it's beginning to it's end?

 

[FanofRPGs]

This is where I am confused.
What is defined as spacetime here? And what is defined as Timeline?

From my understanding spacetime is the fabric that the universe it self is made of and that all the matter exists in.

And a timeline was all the changes a universe goes through from it's beginning to it's end?

Destroying time itself is hax. Destroying infinite space itself is high 3-A, but when destroying the composite of both as a space-time continuum, its low 2-C. Beings who devour or destroy or warp timelines are warping all of space-time on a universal scale

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

So when in fiction, and a universe is destroyed or cesed to exist do we assume that it's entire timeline was destroyed until evidence suggests otherwise or do we assume that only the space was destroyed until evidence suggests otherwise?

Cause not many series point out this distinction.

 

[FanofRPGs]

So when in fiction, and a universe is destroyed or cesed to exist do we assume that it's entire timeline until evidence suggests otherwise or do we assume that only the space was destroyed until evidence suggests otherwise?
Cause not many series point out this distinction.

If you create a universe, its instantly assumed to be low 2-C unless stated otherwise. If you destroy the universe, and its stated to be absolutely gone or cease to be, its low 2-C. Honestly low 2-C would be much more common than 3-A as one would have to explicitly state it being a 3-A level feat for it to be 3-A.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Okay.

So to give two example:

In Sailor Moon, Queen Nehellenia is rated as 3-A for maintain her universe behind the mirror. When she was defeated the universe was destroyed and ceased to exist when she was forced out of the mirror world. Does that count as 3-A or Low 2-C

In Saint Seiya, Iapetos was able to create a universe, that counts as Low 2-C? And Aries Mu was able to destroy that universe with his starlight extinction. Does that also count as a Low 2-C feat?

 

[Golden_Void]

The manga explains the whole Zeno thing

 

[Skytheblue]

But the manga is not canon, no?

 

[Golden_Void]

It is. It explains concepts not explained in the anime, and the anime is starting to steal concepts from it, so yeah.

 

[Antvasima]

The best answer that I can provide is that the difference between 3-A and Low 2-C is recurrently hard to determine, and must be evaluated on a case by case basis.

Since the original question has been answered, and the thread is being derailed, I will close the discussion now.

 

[Skytheblue]

It is. It explains concepts not explained in the anime, and the anime is starting to steal concepts from it, so yeah.

Yeah, the whole "Using SSG for speed then turning SSB for strength" thing was stolen directly from the manga. Toei animation writers are the ******* worst.