What could possibly go wrong? (Reinhard vs Black Hat)

[SatellaTheWoE]

If what phoenx says is right then Reinhard wins more times than not
also the range has nothing to do with the hax potency

 

[Fezzih_007]

His immortality does not cover the case for history erasure does it?

No.

 

[Greatsage13th]

If speed is equalized then Reinhard's blessings allow him to immediately slash first and erase Black Hat.

Precognition is irrelevant unless he has thought-based instant-kill hax.

Existence erasure, plot manipulation and instakill glances are part of Black Hat's moveset

I don't think the range of the timestop matters that much. So Reinhard should still resist it.

2-B potency. Not just range.

 

[ShionAH]

2-B potency. Not just range.

2-B Range. 4D Potency.

 

[Greatsage13th]

2-B Range. 4D Potency.

Yep, that's the one.

 

[Phoenks]

Isn't all time-stop inherently 4-D? Lol.

 

[ShionAH]

Isn't all time-stop inherently 4-D? Lol.

I mean…kinda? Though I know some characters that have 3D Time Stops

 

[StrymULTRA]

I mean…kinda? Though I know some characters that have 3D Time Stops

That does not make sense tho.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Satella's Time stop is not the 3D though so Reinhard still resists

 

[Greatsage13th]

Isn't all time-stop inherently 4-D? Lol.

Yes but most function on a universal scale that's just 3D. But on a multiversal scale, that is 4-D.

 

[Greatsage13th]

That does not make sense tho.

Dio, Jotaro and others I guess.

 

[Phoenks]

Yes but most function on a universal scale that's just 3D. But on a multiversal scale, that is 4-D.

What? No that's just multiversal range. The ability is still 4-D because time is 4-D.

Dio, Jotaro and others I guess.

Their range is universal.

Universal[36] with Time Stop (Range-Irrelevant Ability that affects time of the whole world[37])

 

[StrymULTRA]

Universal[36] with Time Stop (Range-Irrelevant Ability that affects time of the whole world[37])

That's outdated ig, should be Universal+ if BTZ will be Low 2-C.

 

[Greatsage13th]

What? No that's just multiversal range. The ability is still 4-D because time is 4-D.

Wouldn't that invalidate most of the characters from the non-smurf tier list of they have time manipulating abilities then?

Their range is universal.

Universal[36] with Time Stop (Range-Irrelevant Ability that affects time of the whole world[37])

Universal is 3-D isn't it?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Wouldn't that invalidate most of the characters from the non-smurf tier list of they have time manipulating abilities then?

I personally agree that time stop is too broken to be put in non smurf matches so yeah

Universal is 3-D isn't it?

Thats the range not the potency

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I think maybe Emilia's "Time stopping" via AZing the environment could be considered a 3D version of Time Stop? Still unsure about it

 

[Phoenks]

Wouldn't that invalidate most of the characters from the non-smurf tier list of they have time manipulating abilities then?

I would say so. Pretty sure that's the reason people like Jotaro and DIO aren't on the non-smurf list.

 

[Greatsage13th]

I would say so. Pretty sure that's the reason people like Jotaro and DIO aren't on the non-smurf list.

Yikes.

Well then, can Reinhard deal with with the instakill glance and social influencing.

 

[Phoenks]

Yikes.

Well then, can Reinhard deal with with the instakill glance and social influencing.

I wish you would actually settle on what his starting move is.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Yikes.

Well then, can Reinhard deal with with the instakill glance and social influencing.

he has death hax resistance too so it depends on how many layers and he probably wont be Si'd if his first move is to literally nuke him as soon as the fight starts

 

[StrymULTRA]

I would say so. Pretty sure that's the reason people like Jotaro and DIO aren't on the non-smurf list.

Time hax abilities aren't counted as smurfery unless they affect the whole of the space-time continuum like Pucci.

 

[Greatsage13th]

I wish you would actually settle on what his starting move is.

He has no consistent starting move but his presence itself should be considered as his first starting move due to being passive:

Aura (Overwhelming and fear inducing), Social Influencing (Those that had never met or heard of him tremble at his presence when he wishes, caused pops to feel overwhelmed and intimidated as all evil in the universe concentrates at his location upon stepping foot into the Regular Show universe, forced 5.0.5. to lose the capability of speech in an unknown incident and intimidated both Hunson Abadeer and HIM from merely the sound of his angered voice)

 

[Greatsage13th]

Time hax abilities aren't counted as smurfery unless they affect the whole of the space-time continuum like Pucci.

Is there a difference in stopping time in the entire universe and stopping time in the entire space time continuum?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Is there a difference in stopping time in the entire universe and stopping time in the entire space time continuum?

I mean, kinda? Stopping time does so for only a finite amount of time.

 

[Phoenks]

He has no consistent starting move but his presence itself should be considered as his first starting move due to being passive:

Aura (Overwhelming and fear inducing), Social Influencing (Those that had never met or heard of him tremble at his presence when he wishes, caused pops to feel overwhelmed and intimidated as all evil in the universe concentrates at his location upon stepping foot into the Regular Show universe, forced 5.0.5. to lose the capability of speech in an unknown incident and intimidated both Hunson Abadeer and HIM from merely the sound of his angered voice)

Reinhard stands in the presence of way more overwhelming and fear-inducing people without an issue.

If he has no consistent starting move Reinhard takes it more times than not as he has a consistent instant-kill starting move.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Reinhard stands in the presence of way more overwhelming and fear-inducing people without an issue.

To what extent? The people that Black Hat overwhelmed have multiple flavours of Acausality, NEP and higher statistics than Reinhard.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

To what extent? The people that Black Hat overwhelmed have multiple flavours of Acausality, NEP and higher statistics than Reinhard.

those aren't related to fear hax potency more so that he himself can affect people with Acausal,and NEP. Also higher stats do absolutely nothing

Echidna's fear hax can cause people to straight up puke, Reid's fear hax is enough to make Subaru fall and he already has layered Fear hax Resistance. Reinhard wouldnt even be affected by it

 

[Greatsage13th]

those aren't related to fear hax potency more so that he himself can affect people with Acausal,and NEP. Also higher stats do absolutely nothing

It still is still social influencing of a qualitative difference not just in potency which is already self evident.

Echidna's fear hax can cause people to straight up puke, Reid's fear hax is enough to make Subaru fall and he already has layered Fear hax Resistance. Reinhard wouldnt even be affected by it

Only puking? That's all it can do?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

It still is still social influencing of a qualitative difference not just in potency which is already self evident.

Only puking? That's all it can do?

previously it could also kill you
Reinhard has multiple layers of resistance so it doesnt matter how above baseline the potency is

This should technically be under fear hax and not SI tho

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Bump