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Weakest fodder to defeat White Queen (Blood Sign)?

Palaeocene.epoch1

Palaeocene.epoch1

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A Fodder vs https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/The_White_Queen_(Blood_Sign)

Battlefield is Bloodsignverse

Both sides are Bloodlusted

Said Fodder is 1 km away from White Queen

What I mean by fodder is like : A Random Green Lantern, A Random Celestial, or A Random Time Lord+TARDIS.

So said fodder had to be come in mass, replacable, not exclusive, and sometimes function as nothing more than glorified meatshields to make main character looks impressive and baddass.
 
@inti last time I checked robloxian is only 7-B compared to Queen's 5-B. I might be missing some haxes though, lemme check...

@Gargoyle @PaiChi2 'kay, checking the pages now...
 
Don't know about witches, but Robloxian fails step 1 of fighting the WQ since they wouldn't even be able to attack her due to her charisma aura.
 
LazyHunter said:
Don't know about witches, but Robloxian fails step 1 of fighting the WQ since they wouldn't even be able to attack her due to her charisma aura.
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The witches blitz
 
@Gargoyle One

I'm not surprised. I said I didn't know about them because I haven't played the games and there's no page for them.
 
A single Goomba.


Moving at 0.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 times the speed of light.
 
Waddle seems to be only a brute with no hax... then again, Waddle does have higher AP than WQ...

@Aza other than immortality and immunity to all elements+conventional weapons by our laws of physics (she is very hard to kill :( ), WQ seems to have 'Alpha InForce-lite' by use of time manipulation . she can also delete space-time and minor reality warping.

@Dragonxyz seems so. I only read labramon have star-level keys. labra might be able to defeat WQ with brute force. but again, WQ also have very high resistance/immunity to many elements and resistance to instadeath status ailments. if labra have no "Almighty-element" it might not be able to beat WQ.

@Kinki well, lf its pre-mending planeswalker yer talking bout then he/she might be overkill (I read Urza and he's 2-A apparently :lol: )
 
Could She be affected by Soul manipulation Or Space manipulation? (I ask because from what I'm seeing she doesn't but I'm not exactly sure and I could have missed something,

If so Pretty sure any random fodder demon in disgaea (Aside for prinnies) Could take her out.

If not I've got nothing
 
@Palaeocene.epoch1

Her time manipulation is minimal and it's only been used so far to get around the limits of Material summoning, so she cannot do anything like that. The immunity to conventional weapons and pure physical damage is also easily bypassed: just use supernatural weapons or supernatural attacks. Being a supernatural creature yourself also counts for melee attacks.

@Jesterofgames

She likely has some unmentioned resistance to soul manipulation considering the Ashen Shrine Maiden, one of the Unexplored-classes she's very superior to, is all about spamming soul removal techniques and is still worthless against the White Queen.

She doesn't have resistance to spatial manipulation (or the resistance is minimal), since she can damage and kill herself with her own attacks and is damaged by attacks similar to hers used by the Colorless Little Girl.
 
Maybe a Cosmic Monolith from Epic Battle Fantasy? It peaks at 4-B MFTL+ (weakest are 5-A FTL) its attacks aren't physical, and it would probably be unaffected by her charisma via not having actual emotions. No idea if it would manage to kill her for good though. Which are the conditions to bypass the immortality?
 
Let's go over how things have failed to kill her.

First, technically all Materials have Type 8 Immortality. Materials are just a particular instance of that being that lives in the Material world appearing on the human world. Multiple copies of them can be summoned in the world at the same time, be defeated or destroyed and be resummoned later without issue. Since they cannot resummon themselves, this is useless in combat (which is why is not listed for regular Materials)

Second, White Queen was fully summoned and bound to the human world during the Secret War. She was defeated and killed by a coalition of hundreds, if not thousands, of Unexplored-class Materials. Didn't stick, so we know simply killing her or wiping her out from the human world is not enough.

Third, in the battle with the Colorless Little Girl, the first time the White Queen has to get serious against a peer opponent (other than herself), the White Queen claims that all her 512 forms have to be eliminated before finishing her off. Colorless Little Girl does this.

Fourth, in the same battle Kyousuke explains that the fact that the White Queen defeated the Unexplored-class made her the spiritual center of the world. The event was said to be a "spiritual big bang" that spread her infinitely-expanding influence over both the human and Material worlds. The Colorless Little Girl gathers all that influence back into the White Queen before killing her. This was assumed to be able to kill her for real, but she pops up 12 hours later mocking Kyousuke, and reveals that she let herself lose as part of her plan. Since that was the epilogue of the novel, it hasn't been mentioned how exactly she survived this.

What would work? Some sort of existence erasure/reality warping that covered the entire universe (to deal with the universal range infinitely-expanding influence BS possibly allowing her to survive that) and using that to completely erase her. That's all I can think of untile next volume comes out and Kamachi reveals how did she survive her loss against the Colorless Little Girl.
 
LazyHunter said:
Her time manipulation is minimal and it's only been used so far to get around the limits of Material summoning, so she cannot do anything like that. The immunity to conventional weapons and pure physical damage is also easily bypassed: just use supernatural weapons or supernatural attacks. Being a supernatural creature yourself also counts for melee attacks.
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so, tech-based/superscience-based character won't work against WQ?

LazyHunter said:
She doesn't have resistance to spatial manipulation (or the resistance is minimal), since she can damage and kill herself with her own attacks and is damaged by attacks similar to hers used by the Colorless Little Girl.
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oh, so tech-using chara with space manipulation would work then

so you need to be able to travel to Material world and kill WQ there too?

hmm, so it'd be equivalent to fighting 512 casual planetbusters then...

LazyHunter said:
What would work? Some sort of existence erasure/reality warping that covered the entire universe (to deal with the universal range infinitely-expanding influence BS possibly allowing her to survive that) and using that to completely erase her. That's all I can think of untile next volume comes out and Kamachi reveals how did she survive her loss against the Colorless Little Girl.
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universsal-range? so mere bog-standard 4-B like some random digimon wont work then?

okay, universal-range... ugh... no idea... probably SMT universal-fodders?
 
@Palaeocene.epoch1

so, tech-based/superscience-based character won't work against WQ?

Theoretically, but that's a NLF when the tech of her verse is just near future levels. Unless you're accepting the NLF for the match, it would top out at nuclear levels of firepower being ignored, and there's simply no way to know how it would interact with some of the BS science some verses have.

oh, so tech-using chara with space manipulation would work the

Unclear, the spatial manipulation that hurt her was supernatural, but for simplicity I would say that it would.

so you need to be able to travel to Material world and kill WQ there too?

The Material world hasn't been explained since humans don't know anything about it other than it exists, so like I said for Materials it should be ignored for simplicity.

hmm, so it'd be equivalent to fighting 512 casual planetbusters then...

Not really, you're not fighting them all at the same time. She implies that if one of her forms is completely defeated/destoryed she would just shift to one of her other ones and continue fighting, and the process of killing her includes destroying all these alternate forms. Those are more like one ups.

universsal-range? so mere bog-standard 4-B like some random digimon wont work then?

okay, universal-range... ugh... no idea... probably SMT universal-fodders?

A 4B character would easily kill her, especially given her lack of speed for her level of power and hax. The issue being it would't really stick and we still don't know the full why.

That would probably do it.
 
Beelzemon should be able to take here out considering he denies the return from nonexistence and that once she's defeated she is sent to the Dark Area where she will become an aspect of the Seven Great Demon Lords, plus they nullify resurrection as well.
 
ok, so random beelzemon should be able to do the job then.

@Dragonmasterxyz out of curiosity, there are random encounter ImperialDramon or Zeed iirc. are they as powerful as the 'main ones'?

and in Dusk/Dawn game we can mass produce Zeed too. but are the Zeeds are as powerful as real one?
 
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