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Weak Simp King is my Super Star

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Damage3245 said:
But the destruction didn't start with the palace? I addressed this up above.


I addressed it here:



When Ichigo first kills the Soul King, there are no earthquakes or shaking in the Soul King's palace. When we see the wide shot of the other floating cities near the Soul King's palace, they all appear to have been untouched despite being far close to the Soul King than the Soul Society.
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I can speak from experience, that a second earthquake can cause a stronger destruction at the point of origin when it hits a second time compared to the first one depending on the magnitude. As we see here Mimihagi is not circulating the palace as Damage proposes, it is connected by a portal. The last scenes that Damage proposed make more sense to be happening at the same time as when he went up and down. It is not the first time the author has created scenes with this kind of timeline showing what is happening in two places at the same time.

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I can speak from experience, that a second earthquake can cause a stronger destruction at the point of origin when it hits a second time compared to the first one depending on the magnitude.
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There was no first one.

As we see here Mimihagi is not circulating the palace as Damage proposes, it is connected by a portal.
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I didn't say Mimihagi was circulating the palace.
 
I admittedly will be absent for most of the usual active period today, but I think I am just waiting to hear what Arcker has to say in refutation to Duedate. Y’all keep up the good work stayin civil while I’m gone 👍
 
Damage3245 said:
There was no first one.
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Before Mimihagi took the place of the Soul King.
Damage3245 said:
I didn't say Mimihagi was circulating the palace.
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Damage3245 said:
As for the scenes in chapter 620, I believe that the Soul King's palace getting torn in two occured just as a result of Yhwach ripping Mimihagi from the Soul King.
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Mimihagi doesn’t seemed to be around the palace for this argument you posted for the scan. It seems to me the earthquake began because Yhwach started removing him from the Soul King’s corpse. All the characters were reacting to the earthquake’s crumbling.


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Mimihagi doesn’t seemed to be around the palace for this argument you posted for the scan. It seems to me the earthquake began because Yhwach started removing him from the Soul King’s corpse. All the characters were reacting to the earthquake’s crumbling.
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Mimihagi doesn't have to be wrapped around the palace for that.
 
Arcker123 said:
Where are we in this thread. What’s been argued/accepted? I fell asleep.
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AppleLord is currently debating Damage on if Soul King is the epicenter of the earthquakes or not.

Duedate is waiting for you to respond to his arguments.

Everyone accepts the MoN calc.

Damage accepts the realm explosion aspect of the SK calc but not the earthquake aspect.

Duedate disagrees with the SK calc entirely.
 
Damage3245 said:
Mimihagi doesn't have to be wrapped around the palace for that.
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So there is no argument on your part. As explained above Mimihagi appeared through a kind of portal shown in the scans and the scene you mention where we see Mimihagi going up and down is happening at the same time as the others, it's just another scene where the author shows what is happening at the same time.
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AppleLord said:
So there is no argument on your part. As explained above Mimihagi appeared through a kind of portal shown in the scans and the scene you mention where we see Mimihagi going up and down is happening at the same time as the others, it's just another scene where the author shows what is happening at the same time.
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Let's agree to disagree on that.
 
Damage3245 said:
Why can't each planet experience it differently? The root cause of the earthquakes isn't implied to be a single point in space. Why is distance the only factor for determining the strength of the earthquakes, especially since these so-called earthquakes are reaching across dimensions somehow?
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I could see it being able to be seen that way if it was Hueco Mundo experiencing things differently from the SS and WOTL, but the SS and WOTL are parallel realms. Like mirrors of each other in a way. If anything, those 2 would experience it the same and Hueco would experience it different since it's not structured the same, assuming that 3 separate quakes started in the 3 worlds. And again, it was said that the quake in the WOTL was minor, not just for Karakura, but for the whole world iirc (I don't remember which novel within CFYOW and which part of said novel mentioned the quakes, so if I'm wrong about that part, my bad.

But if there was 1 quake that started at the SK Palace, hit the SS the hardest, hit Hueco which is in the middle with a weaker yet still strong shock, and hit the WOTL which is the 'farthest' with the weakest shock, it just seems like the least amount of assumptions would be made from that interpretation.

Lynchpin residing in the SK Palace stops being a lynchpin -> Worlds begin falling apart naturally starting with a quake as the first sign -> Worlds experience stronger quakes the closest they are to the SK Palace resulting in different damages based on proximity

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Lynchpin residing in the SK Palace stops being a lynchpin -> Worlds begin falling apart naturally starting with a quake as the first sign -> Worlds experience 3 separate quakes -> SS and Living World take vastly different scales of damage despite being parallel worlds (Explained by the point of origin of the separate quakes being different.)

That's not to dismiss your point, genuinely questioning when the least assumptions route should and shouldn't be used). I will ask this though. What other factors besides distance do you think should be looked at to determine the strength?
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That's only if you assume there has to be a single epicenter, and we have no confirmation of that.
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Depends on how much evidence points towards it being the lynchpin at the SK Palace vs how much points against that. Been a while since I read the end of the TYBW, so how many times did the lynchpin get removed and how many times did the quaking happen vs how many times didn't it happen? And then from there, how many of those times points towards it originating from the SK Palace. This is for anyone, not just you
 
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And? Creating dimensions shouldn't be the same as destroying it in terms of AP. But that is for another CRT so... i guess i agree?
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The calc is for creation, also we general treat creation and destruction of dimensions as the same anyhow
 
I could see it being able to be seen that way if it was Hueco Mundo experiencing things differently from the SS and WOTL, but the SS and WOTL are parallel realms. If anything, those 2 would experience it the same and Hueco would experience it different since it's not structured the same, assuming that 3 separate quakes started in the 3 worlds.
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Just because they're parallel realms doesn't mean they'll experience the effects exactly the same.

But if there was 1 quake that started at the SK Palace, hit the SS the hardest, hit Hueco which is in the middle with a weaker yet still strong shock, and hit the WOTL which is the 'farthest' with the weakest shock, it just seems like the least amount of assumptions would be made from that interpretation.
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But we see that no such quake started in the SK palace. Such an interpretation is beginning with a faulty foundation.

That's not to dismiss your point, genuinely questioning when the least assumptions route should and shouldn't be used). I will ask this though. What other factors besides distance do you think should be looked at to determine the strength?
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I think that my interpretation currently goes with the least amount of assumptions. I'm not assuming that the Soul King's corpse is somehow releasing Star levels of energy which is somehow radiating invisibly through the air to mysteriously cause earthquakes in the Soul Society below then radiate across dimensions to affect other worlds.

As for other factors, settling on any of them conclusively would be too speculative but it seems reasonable to me that the reason why the Soul Society is experiencing stronger quakes is because the flow of souls may be higher there at that moment. Yhwach specifies that the Soul Society is where a torrent of souls pass through.

Depends on how much evidence points towards it being the lynchpin at the SK Palace vs how much points against that. Been a while since I read the end of the TYBW, so how many times did the lynchpin get removed and how many times did the quaking happen vs how many times didn't it happen? And then from there, how many of those times points towards it originating from the SK Palace. This is for anyone, not just you
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The lynchpin was removed twice.

The first time when the Soul King was bisected by Ichigo. The earthquakes started in Soul Society (no visible damage to the palace) and the Earth.

The second time when Yhwach absorbed Mimihagi who was the Soul King's replacement. The earthquakes started up again in Soul Society the moment Mimihagi was absorbed.

There is nothing implying any energy was radiated outward from both of them and had to be transferred from the palace down to the Soul Society.
 
Bumping cuz y’all should go ahead with the revision.

I’ve been extraordinarily lazy and couldn’t be bothered to type my response to @Duedate8898 💀. Prolly not coming ever 🗿. I don’t want to waste peoples time, so I made this post.

Talked with Arc and Deceived on Disc about this and it seems we all agree that we can concede the quake Calc if need be. It seems to just be stalling pointlessly to keep arguing back and forth like this. We already have better Calcs anyway.

So yea, y’all should just continue.
 
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