Warhammer 40k: General round of corrections

[DMUA]

User blogMUA/Warhammer 40,000: Space Marines go at the speed of fast

 

[DMUA]

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This is a fair point, though, if they could actually see him, I'm not sure why they'd describe it otherwise

A heartbeat might be a more solid timeframe but, just calling a direct statement a hyperbole seems off to me

 

[Ogbunabali]

Like I said that's a very common hyperbole. But even if it is legit in order to accurately calc it you would need to know the exact distance he passed, his exact size, how far away was the person perceiving him, maybe he was moving his head, how much lighting in the room was there, etc. A lot of this would yield different results, either way I think it's too unreliable to use as a source.

 

[DMUA]

I mean, just moving within less then a frame should be enough to not be visible.

The distance is stated either way.

 

[Dvorak1902]

I don't think they mean the calc is incorrect so much as it doesn't qualify for Subsonic in of itself, only Superhuman.

Yes, that's what I meant.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

Even if this were to qualify for FTE movement, I have my doubts that moving ten meters at FTE speed would make a person over 7 times faster than the fastest manufactured bullet in human history. (Which would also be too fast for a human to perceive)

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I'd agree, and think just "subsonic" is generally safer, which I'm pretty sure is how we almost universally treat generic "FTE movement" feats.

 

[DMUA]

The main thing is, a Space Marine is a lot larger then a few millimeters and is thereby a lot harder to miss

Also I think it is technically possible to percieve it, just there's no way you'd react to it

... Oh yeah, using reaction time is probably another way to take this.

 

[DMUA]

Alright, updated again, using a timeframe for athletic reactions to get Mach .2, Subsonic. I'd assume that would be safest for us all to assume?

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

That seems much more accurate, yeah.

 

[Antvasima]

It is useful to place links to all the relevant calculations in a section of the Warhammer 40,000 verse page.

Standard Format for Verse Pages

I still think that this would also help our visitors get less confused regarding which characters that are scaled to what.

 

[Crabwhale]

I suppose it's time to actually do some things then, ain't it?

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, I suppose so.

 

[Crabwhale]

I've added some of the calcs to the verse page. I will add the rest of the accepted ones later as I am currently busy.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

In regards to Marine speed, it is worth noting that Talos is far from your Average Marine bro and that's literally the best feat for Marine running speed that I know. And most generic Marines actually can't react to bullets casually, it takes a lot of effort.

So yea, Subsonic is safer.

 

[Crabwhale]

Slowly adding all the relevant calcs to the main page.

 

[Overlord775]

Just in case (Since theily are not nominated in the OP), I want to point out that the Officio Assassinorum also need to be downgraded

 

[Crabwhale]

Yes, we have established that (actually read the whole thread before commenting you dumb Lezerd).

 

[Overlord775]

; _ ;

 

[Wokistan]

Eversors and calliduses should go to at least 8-C, they're stronger than space marines. Culexuses and Vindicared go to what the space Marines are at.

 

[Crabwhale]

I have finished adding all the calcs to the verse page.

 

[Dvorak1902]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Lina_Shields/Veltinar_Sucks_Red_Giant's_Energy

There was a time when Primarchs where Low 5-B? Weird.

 

[Crabwhale]

As a side note, I'm gonna go ahead and replace Space Marine's immortality with longevity, as they have been shown to age many times.

 

[Crabwhale]

I am currently applying the accepted changes to the Space Marine profile, but I've quickly found myself correcting the page as well.

Seriously, I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but who edited that thing?

 

[Wokistan]

Went and did the assassinorum, and removed all the matches excluding the ones where the Culexus was fighting a tier 6/5 just to be safe.

 

[Crabwhale]

I know this is not exactly the best place for this, but should we have a key for Primaris Space Marines? We do already have a calc on them.

 

[Wokistan]

Oh yeah, don't forget the Adepta Sororitas or Sly Marbo (Though this guy is probably not tier 8, with a quick look at some of his stuff).

 

[Overlord775]

Crab forgot to do the updates

also Genestealers scale to Astardes too

 

[Crabwhale]

I did not forget, I'm just in an uncomfortable position right now. I will still attempt my best though.

 

[Overlord775]

too bad

I already updated the rest of the profiles

ovo

 

[Crabwhale]

Hmm, good enough.

 

[PsychoWarper]

So I might have missed it but why where the Eversors 8-B downgraded to 8-C? This correction was about High 8-C and the Eversors where 8-B for taking down enemies that a group of Astartes cant.

 

[Crabwhale]

Honestly, I don't know why, but tbh I don't have a problem with it. After all, merely being superior to a squad of character should put you a whole tier above them.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

So I might have missed it but why where the Eversors 8-B downgraded to 8-C? This correction was about High 8-C and the Eversors where 8-B for taking down enemies that a group of Astartes cant.

You did miss something.

The Eversors were 8-B for taking down guys who the High 8-C Astartes couldn't. Now that the Astartes are 8-C, not even that high into it, you can't upgrade them into 8-B through a scaling chain.

 

[Crabwhale]

Yeah, an "at least 8-C" would be far better.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Ok, they currently have "At least 8-C"

 

[Crabwhale]

Well, that's convenient.

 

[Wokistan]

Eversors (And Spear, when I make him) would just be "At least 8-C" for being able to pretty easily shred space marines and destroy targets insurmountable by groups of space marines.

 

[Crabwhale]

Anyway, given the fact that Smol Lizard took care of it, should this thread be closed now?