Warhammer 40,000: Higher Dimenshuns and Stuff

[Crabwhale]

I unfortunately have not experienced much of the cosmic scale of Warhammer aside from the scans from A Thousand Sons I posted.

That said, how is the progress going?

 

[FanofRPGs]

I unfortunately have not experienced much of the cosmic scale of Warhammer aside from the scans from A Thousand Sons I posted.
That said, how is the progress going?

I think the results I have come up with are 1-B C'tan given the justification I wrote above. Shards are 4-B for holding back a light year black hole

 

[Crabwhale]

Alright then.

 

[Antvasima]

So what are the conclusions here summarised in an easy to understand manner?

 

[FanofRPGs]

So what are the conclusions here summarised in an easy to understand manner?

I'm at work so I can't post it yet

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[FanofRPGs]

At least Hyperversal (The True C'tan are beings of infinite power which embody all space and time and have such mastery over the Materium that they could fight the Warpbound Aledari Gods on even ground. The Materium consists of infinite diverging timelines and pocket universes and has a "myriad" number of spatial dimensions in excess of 20+ dimensions, with higher dimensional branespaces which are so complex in nature it "cannot be defined by so limited a thing as human language")

for C'tan

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That seems to make sense.

 

[FanofRPGs]

Bump, should we discus the chaos gods here or make a new thread?

 

[Antvasima]

I do not know. The thread is not very long yet though.

 

[FanofRPGs]

I've been trying to contact Matt on discord about some problems, but he isn't responding IDK

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[FanofRPGs]

Basically, I have several quotes about the Warp being dimensionless/spaceless/etc but new rules don't make that automatically 1-A.

Here are the closest quotes I have are these:

Concerns of the material world intruded on his introspective plunge, and Magnus looked out on a world of shadows and deceit. He had passed from the realm of flesh to the realm of spirit without even thinking of it, and floated in a place without form and dimensions save any he desired to impose upon it. This was the entrance to the network, the nexus point that led into the labyrinth. This was what he had come to Aghoru to find.
	~ A Thousand Sons​

Multiple multi-coloured suns fled past, some misshapen, some ring-shaped, some joined together in complicated patterns by filaments of light and fire, some surrounded by what looked like intricate decorations made of gold and silver and brass. There was no consistency; no two were identical. It was a storm-enwrapped minor universe in which the normal laws of physics did not count. The will and imagination of daemons counted for more.
	~ Eye of Terror​

(Eye of Terror also has a 100-D labyrinth thing quote, but I cannot find it)

"It is a churning ocean of chaos, raw emotion and madness given form, where the laws of physics, time and nature are meaningless concepts and nothing is as it seems.
	~ Warhammer 40k Rulebook (4th ed.)​

However, even this doesn't necessitate transcension, rather it makes it moreso the Warp is a blank canvas for any dimensionality that is subjective to the user, which UltimaReality thinks is Low 1-A/High 1-B.

Then there are quotes about layers in the warp:

'There are layers,' said Veil, impatiently. 'Yes, there is stratum aetheris, the shallow ways. There is stratum profundis, the greater arteries, plunging deeper. There is stratum obscurus, the root of the terror. How does this help you? No living man can navigate the deep ways. Even he could not.'
	~ Path of Heave​

'He was never on Herevail for long,' said Veil. 'He came and went, like they all do. Perhaps you have never seen a Navigator House's own vessels? They are like nothing you have ever sailed in. He would embark on journeys that should have taken weeks, and be there in days. He could read the Seethe like a mortal reads a chrono.' 'The Seethe?' 'The immaterium. The warp. Achelieux was the best of the long generation, they told me, and having witnessed him scry the tides, I cannot dispute it. Some had already marked him for Paternova, given a few centuries more. Who knows? There is always gossip. But he was good. By the Cartomancer, he was good. And he left it all behind, all for the greater purpose.' 'Which was?' 'What we were doing on Herevail. How can I explain it to you?' He pressed his fingers together and frowned. 'There are schools of thought in the Houses. Different methods of engaging with the Seethe. Some treat it like a beast ― an animal, to be tamed or ridden. Others as a ritual, a kind of dance. Or an artwork, even― can you imagine? But there is a third doctrine ― that the warp is nothing more than a mirror, one that can be charted just as real space is charted. They believe the paradoxes can be overcome, and that one day living maps will be created, ones that predict the storms and give reliable guides to the aether-flux.' Veil smiled absently, remembering. 'That was what we were doing in Vorlax. We were topographers, psycho-sounders, aether-readers. We were attempting to compass the stratum aetheris. All of it. It was the work of generations.''
	~ Path of Heave​

Walls of force roared past, flashing like heartbeats, accelerating with every second. The profiles of those on the bridge became smeared, the voices distorted. Behind them, far behind now, the portal collapsed shut, sending fresh buffets of force haring after them. Strangled curves of neon-white aetheric lightning pursued them, snapping at their heels, curling around the burning engines and reaching, futilely, to snare them in their desperate chase. As the last of the warp shutters slammed down, the Khan caught a final glimpse into the roiling madness ahead, and perceived a split-moment in the heart of the storm. Far ahead, too far to catch, the remnants of Dark Glass spun and disintegrated. He saw the last of the black iron casings fly free, burning into ash. Beyond it was the stuff of the underverse, the warp space that Veil had spoken of ― the stratum profundis, the Seethe, the Deep Warp
	~ The Path of Heave​

To reach out to Terra ― that was what Achelieux had tried to do, to open a path through the stratum profundis. No storms could block those ways, for they ran beyond the known, into the deeps of oblivion where only the ghosts of slain xenos gods sullenly lingered.
	~ The Path of Heave​

Humans are beings of short reach. Give them voidships, change their shape by gene forge and augmetic, provide them with weapons of sufficient power to break a star, and the children of Old Earth are still but apes removed from the savannah. And just as an ape's mind cannot hold an ocean, and the notion of a whole world is inexplicable to it, so a man's mind cannot hold the void, and the layered infinities of the warp are beyond him entirely.
	~ Dark Imperium​

The immensity of the void is impossible to understand; the layered infinities of the empyrean even moreso.
	~ Dark Imperium​

Do note it doesn't say infinite layers, just layered infinities. We only know of three real layers.

So what I need to know, lastly, is of all quotes about the Conceptual Forms of the Chaos Gods, how they transcend all space-time and the like.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Here's the 100D quote.

No! Surely this could not be right! They were sinking. The warp was getting denser, harder to peer through. Many navigators had learned the trick of seeing in more than three dimensions, of being able to understand shapes and labyrinths in four, five, even six dimensions, but this was different. A writhing maze stretched all around them, but it was a maze in a hundred dimensions at least. It was impossible for any human mind to unravel it.
	~ Eye of Terror​

 

[FanofRPGs]

Here's the 100D quote.

No! Surely this could not be right! They were sinking. The warp was getting denser, harder to peer through. Many navigators had learned the trick of seeing in more than three dimensions, of being able to understand shapes and labyrinths in four, five, even six dimensions, but this was different. A writhing maze stretched all around them, but it was a maze in a hundred dimensions at least. It was impossible for any human mind to unravel it.
	~ Eye of Terror​

Where were they, did they stil consider this just the surface of the Warp/The Aether?

 

[Ogbunabali]

This is probably the most "surface layer" of the Warp, considering they were using it just for travel.

And it was page 11, I think it was.

 

[FanofRPGs]

Okay, so the trivialization of dimensionality happens by the Stratum Aetheris

Do we have quoteso n the Chaos Gods transcending it all and all space-time? I keep asking around.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Would the Eldar God of the dead still qualify for 1-A even if the others aren't? I am obviously new when it comes to 40k, but doesn't he have some stuff about being in a part of the warp so deep that even the ruinous powers cant access it or something?

I could be completely wrong, and I've gained most of my 40k knowledge through general discussions with friends who are into it, so pls correct me if I'm completely off

 

[Crabwhale]

The true form of Ynnead from what we know sits beyond the confines of the Warp entirely.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Sounds like a qualitative difference to me lol

 

[Crabwhale]

Okay, so the trivialization of dimensionality happens by the Stratum Aetheris

Do we have quoteso n the Chaos Gods transcending it all and all space-time? I keep asking around.

I think the idea is that they are the big head honchos of the entire thing, and absolutely nothing save the Emperor supersedes the authority.

The Warp is a realm of thought, dependent on sentient beings to maintain it, even if it has paradoxically always existed. And the Chaos Gods are the abstract embodiments of the most fundamental aspects of all life.

 

[FanofRPGs]

I still need quotes on the existence of the abstract forms of the Chaos Gods. So far all we have gone on was implication, precedent, and conclusions from these implications and precedents. I want the direct quotes.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...and_Daemons:_An_Explanation_of_the_Immaterium

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...byssal_Idiot/Warhammer_40k_Chaos_feats_thread

Look in these blogs made by Azzy.