Wang Wei: Concept stuff and Acausality

[Rikimarox2]

Welp, I forgot quite a lot of stuff when I made the profile (Even though I thought it was complete), so might as well fix/add them. Not sure about a lot of stuff here since I'm not expert on them, but meh, might as well give it a shot.

1. Layered Acausality Type 4 and Concept Stuff​

Honestly not that sure about this since idk much about Acausality, but here goes nothing.

First things first, there is a hierarchy in the verse for worlds. They are Heaven Will > Great Thousand World >Middle Thousand World > Small/Lower Thousand World > Mortal Worlds.
With each higher world having stronger Rivers of Fate (Actual Fate). As shown here, where Wang Wei could summon the entire River of Fate in a Lower Realm, but could only summon a projection in Heaven Will World. This is further shown when an Incarnation of Wang Wei tried to remove the influence of River of Fate in a Greater Thousand World, but failed, with Wang Wei telling him to go to lower realms, since they have weaker River of Fate. Additionally, one shouldn't forget that each world has different laws and rivers of fate, as cultivators have to go and adapt to the laws there in order to use their powers.

Although Acausality is kind of like a cosmetic at this about, so eh.

Regardless, this also extends to Laws and stuff, with lower worlds Laws are not as complete (Ie weaker) as Heaven Will Laws, this is further shown by Wang Wei, in his first key, being able to destroy space in the Lower Thousand World (Something that can only happen when one has the strength of Void Shattering Realm, ie the realm where you can break laws, something that Wang Wei is specifically not as strong as at that realm).

Admittedly not sure about the second argument, but it'll be 4 layers for Concepts. If the scans for the laws aren't enough, there are more feats, though I'd need to find them.

2. Concept shenanigans do a lot of stuff​

I'm not sure about this one, but eh.

So... from the third key (Supernatural Realm) and onward, Wang Wei has a battle strength of Saint Realm, and Quasi-Emperor (9.5th Realm) in his last key, and resists Conceptual Manip due to it. Problem is... the "concept" stuff does A LOT of stuff (Decaying, fire stuff, sealing stuff, controlling stuff, etc...), and just mentioning it as is, is like saying "Resists a lot of abilities that comes from this source", and that's kind of a problem.

As such, I'll be listing the abilities that are shown to be done by cultivators who are below Wang Wei's current battle strength, and would be listing it as a resistance (I think this is how it works? Apparently something similar happened with Xu Jingming), if it was done purely by law and concept stuff. I would be listing it as "Resistance to Concept Manip, which would extend to.

Anyways, here's the blog. It obviously should include MUCH more, but as it stands, I decided to go with the stuff that has been shown to exist and is below WW current battle strength.

3. Some Random Stuff I forgot about​

1. In each Key (Aside from the first and last), Wang Wei should have at least 100x reaction speed, due to his mind becoming 100x faster since the Divine Altar key, possibly far higher considering his mind became faster than a Quantum Computer (Idk if this can be scaled to reaction speed or not, but I saw somewhere that it was in picoseconds in terms of perception speed, need input on this), and extending to other keys. This is further shown by the fact that his last key's reaction speed is 3 million times faster than his normal speed.
2. Primordial Spirit Key: Earthquake Manipulation, Weather Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation and Water Manipulation: Cultivators at this stage can use the Power of Heaven and Earth to control natural phenomena, such as summoning rain, clouds, thunder, creating earthquakes, activating volcanoes, etc...
3. Divine Altar Key: Information Analysis: With a single glance, he was able to know Dong Lifen's ability and physique.
4. Divine Altar Key: Changing his fate manipulation from 3-D, likely 4-D, to 3-D, possibly 4-D, as the 4-D comes from Void Shattering Realm cultivators possibly being 4-D.
5. Primordial Spirit Key: Enhanced Resistance to Deconstruction; Should be able to resist Li Jun's Decaying power, and Di Tian's gaze, which could decay anything.
6. Divine Body Key: Resistance to Deconstruction: Should be able to resist Li Jun's decaying power due to resisting Death Qi, and is able to be completely fine from Chaotic Space Energy, which can pulverize cultivators.
7. Small editing mistake in LS section, his last key should be Galactic to Multi-Galactic, not just Multi-Galactic.
8. Primordial Spirit Key: Likely Resistance to Black Holes (Although he was teleported elsewhere, he was not affected by the power of the blackholes)
9. Primordial Spirit Key: NPI to Concept Type 1 (Able to affect the Dharma Body of cultivators, and his suppression is capable of affecting Supreme Realm Cultivators)

TL;DR:​

I have dementia. Mention anything that seems slightly off, or if you don't understand the verse's mumbo jumbo, so I can clarify.

Agree: @BreezeHM (Disagrees with Acausality, thinks it should be hax layers instead. Agrees with everything else),

Disagree: @Vietthai96 (Disagrees with acausality layers, proposes that they could be layers for hax instead)

Neutral: @Planck69 (Thinks acausality should be normal hax layers instead, neutral on concept stuff)

 

[Vietthai96]

I will go with layered Aca 4 first, the concept stuff look very complicated so i will ask about them later when we finish Aca 4

Anyway, first, from what i could see, the higher world just have stronger fate and law, only that, right? They do not possesses completely different causality, or fate system?

 

[Rikimarox2]

I will go with layered Aca 4 first, the concept stuff look very complicated so i will ask about them later when we finish Aca 4

Anyway, first, from what i could see, the higher world just have stronger fate and law, only that, right? They do not possesses completely different causality, or fate system?

We do have info about other world communities (Basically other cluster of universes different from the one where MC came from, ie they have their own Greater, Middle, Lower, etc... worlds, and are not related that much to the main world community) having different Laws, including Laws of Karma (Causality), with an example being that it was not as rigid, or smth similar.

There's also the fact that each world possibly have their own timeline.

We also know that different worlds (including the ones mentioned here) have their own laws (Karma/Causality and Fate included), and the reason that Cultivators who have just gotten the power to use Laws need to adapt to the other worlds in order to wield the laws.

There are a plethora of other statements about different laws, but I don't know if that's what is needed here. Though considering that Karma and stuff are mentioned, I thought it would be enough, coupled with the whole stronger fate and time rivers. There's also the whole "summoning an entire river of fate to attack" and it getting destroyed iirc in a lower realm, but it didn't affect WW at all, as his fate was still intact.

 

[Vietthai96]

We do have info about other world communities (Basically other cluster of universes different from the one where MC came from, ie they have their own Greater, Middle, Lower, etc... worlds, and are not related that much to the main world community) having different Laws, including Laws of Karma (Causality), with an example being that it was not as rigid, or smth similar

So this different law of karma here is just referring to how it punish stuffs, being hard, easy, rigid or not. Not really different law of causality as in the system is completely unconventional which will grant Aca 4, so yeah this stuff will not even get Aca 4

There's also the fact that each world possibly have their own timeline.

This point is, honestly, irrelevant, cause different timelines already mean different causally

We also know that different worlds (including the ones mentioned here) have their own laws (Karma/Causality and Fate included), and the reason that Cultivators who have just gotten the power to use Laws need to adapt to the other worlds in order to wield the laws.

So from what i gather, different Laws here isn't mean completely different, unconvebtion system of cause and effect that entail Aca 4, just the different in power between laws and how it govern stuffs

So yeah all and all, i disagree with layered Acausality 4. However we have pretty clear power hierarchy of law and fate stuffs, so this could applies to the increasing in hax layers for thing like Law hax, Fate hax, Causality hax if characters have these haxes and feats

 

[Rikimarox2]

So this different law of karma here is just referring to how it punish stuffs, being hard, easy, rigid or not. Not really different law of causality as in the system is completely unconventional which will grant Aca 4, so yeah this stuff will not even get Aca 4

I mean, considering they are different Laws (which would include Causality), and that laws are what forms a world, and that some worlds are completely free from normal fate (thanks to MC), would that not be enough?

So yeah all and all, i disagree with layered Acausality 4. However we have pretty clear power hierarchy of law and fate stuffs, so this could applies to the increasing in hax layers for thing like Law hax, Fate hax, Causality hax if characters have these haxes and feats

I'm happy enough with this, tbh. I'll add you to disagree, then. As for haxes, yeah, the characters are filled with fate hax and stuff (Literally in the name of the series). The verse already has layers accepted, and I'd assume this would grant like, 4 layers? Though how would that apply with Law stuff, considering Laws are also stronger, and the Law of Fate is pretty prominent. Would they just stack (8 layers), or...?

Thanks for the input, I'll wait for the concept stuff then.

 

[Vietthai96]

I mean, considering they are different Laws (which would include Causality), and that laws are what forms a world, and that some worlds are completely free from normal fate (thanks to MC), would that not be enough?

I mean, different Laws as like how different countries have different laws and how they excercise stuffs with their laws, just in this case is superpower law stuffs.

MC is free from fate mean he is Aca 4 yes, which iirc he already has it on the profile, but these stuffs you mentioned in the OP isn't layered Aca 4. As different, unconventional cause and effect is, for example, normal cause and effect involves a series of events where you make a cause, you created an effect due to the result of said cause; however unconventional cause and effect, somehow the effect appear before the cause, despite normal cause and effect must be cause first and effect is after. See?, that is how unconventional cause and effect which can give Aca 4 is. The different Law of Karma in those scans is just the different in power and effect how those law rule stuffs, systematically they are still follow the same conventional cause and effect, so you can't even get Aca 4 out of them, let alone layered

I'm happy enough with this, tbh. I'll add you to disagree, then. As for haxes, yeah, the characters are filled with fate hax and stuff (Literally in the name of the series).

Thanks for the input, I'll wait for the concept stuff then.

Yep, i disagree with Layered Aca 4 stuff

 

[Rikimarox2]

Would Acausality even do anything? Wanted to ask for a while since it's apparently cosmetics at this point, but say there's a character that has Aca type 4 with whole "higher fate/higher world with different fate" and shenanigans, meanwhile other character does not have that but he has layered fate hax. Would the former not be affected or smth?

Probably derailing, but wouldn't hurt a message or two.

 

[Vietthai96]

Nowadays by default Aca 4 do not give anything unless the verse show its abilities, otherwise just a decorative ability that can make the profile look cool, so Aca 4 and layered fate haxes just do not affect nor interact with each other at all, since Aca 4 do not give unconventional fate resistance by default anymore, even if the Aca 4 is layered

 

[Planck69]

I think the layered Acausality stuff works better for conventional hax and resistance layers for the characters who can affect the River of Fate.

Neutral to the concept hax issues for now.

 

[Rikimarox2]

I think the layered Acausality stuff works better for conventional hax and resistance layers for the characters who can affect the River of Fate.

Neutral to the concept hax issues for now.

Very well then. I'd assume you're fine with everything else?

 

[BreezeHM]

Hax Layers seems to work better, iirc because of Aca getting revised, Layered Aca got nuked. Your Random abilities you forgot about are fine to me.

As for Concept Hax, if I'm understanding this right, the main source is the Concept which can induce all these other effects right? It should work since if you attack someone with Conceptual Fire, if you resist the Conceptual power itself, you can't get affected by the fire. Although, it is a bit alarming that a Conceptual attack (which is usually very specific to what it governs) has so many effects.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Hax Layers seems to work better, iirc because of Aca getting revised, Layered Aca got nuked. Your Random abilities you forgot about are fine to me.

Very well, I'll add you to the tally. Might change the OP about Acausality and just make it layers tbh.

As for Concept Hax, if I'm understanding this right, the main source is the Concept which can induce all these other effects right? It should work since if you attack someone with Conceptual Fire, if you resist the Conceptual power itself, you can't get affected by the fire. Although, it is a bit alarming that a Conceptual attack (which is usually very specific to what it governs) has so many effects.

I think you got something wrong? I'm not really sure, but in-verse, there are quite a bit of statements that implicitly imply that abilities can't ignore levels (compared to other xianxias I think, they don't have a statement like that), and then there are several instances of higher realmed dudes fodderizing the ones below.

Anyways, these characters get resistances to concept shenanigans at like 7th realm (Void Shattering Realm), but the concept in question they resist are pretty much all the concepts that were shown. So the list is just a bunch of shown laws and Daos feats, and characters who are above the realms of these characters get resistances to the laws shown. Basically, there isn't a singular concept, but multiple, as you can see by the list mentioning multiple daos.

 

[BreezeHM]

I think you got something wrong? I'm not really sure, but in-verse, there are quite a bit of statements that implicitly imply that abilities can't ignore levels (compared to other xianxias I think, they don't have a statement like that), and then there are several instances of higher realmed dudes fodderizing the ones below.

That is true, majority in Xianxias abilities can always go beyond levels (you know the overpowered, heaven-defying mc)

Anyways, these characters get resistances to concept shenanigans at like 7th realm (Void Shattering Realm), but the concept in question they resist are pretty much all the concepts that were shown. So the list is just a bunch of shown laws and Daos feats, and characters who are above the realms of these characters get resistances to the laws shown. Basically, there isn't a singular concept, but multiple, as you can see by the list mentioning multiple daos.

I see, my mistake then. Conceptual stuff makes sense to me.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Wank Wei.

Disagree with layered aca, agree with Dao things.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Wank Wei.

I should add this in his name section.