Waltuh tries to kill a fly again [GRACE]

[Vizer04]

Seth and Walter have one month to prepare and basic knowledge about each other.

Location is inside a giant abandoned building, both start inside. Late Brundlefly is used.

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I am not in danger, Seth. I am the danger. A guy opens his door and gets shot, and you think that of me? No! I am the one who knocks: 7 (@Deadguy999, @Doggo, @AThe1412, @MannyQ361, @Oiguana2701, @Vizer04 and @Ztesrxgdfjcvgkbh)

I'm an insect who dreamt he was a man and loved it. But now the dream is over, and the insect is awake: 1 (@ThePrimalHunter)

Inconclusive:

 

[Oiguana2701]

Oh my ******* God dude, didn't expect the Brundlefly image.
Anyways, I give this to Seth Brundle. In that final stage, he is still very smart (the profile doesn't do him justice iirc, as he was still somewhat smart, even though his mental state did deteriorate a lot), and since this battle takes place in his lab, he would most likely use that to his advantage. Walter's only way to win is using his guns, but because of the environment, he could have a little trouble actually shooting Seth, who could most likely survive at least one gunshot. Furthermore, Brundlefly wouldn't even need to get up close to harm Walter, as he could use his acid vomit in order to burn him, and if I remember right, these burns were really bad, and could distract Walter for a while. Finally, I think even Seth's physical appearance could be an advantage, as even though Walter knows about his disgusting appearance, seeing him physically would probably still startle him.
The Fly FRA.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Walter looses to a fly FRA, he seems way smarter & with his extra abilities like acid vomit, I don't see Walter winning

 

[Doggo]

Regarding Seth's intelligence, is it only scientific, or does he have actual good planning and strategy? Because, beyond just chemistry, Walt has shown himself to be very strategic and manipulative at times in the show, like how he made Tuco accept his deal or killed Gus. Even if Seth is an EG, that means nothing when it only applies to scientific knowledge; meanwhile, outsmarting matters more in a fight that involves prep.

Also, I doubt his vomit acid has a higher range than a gun; Walt should be able to unload an entire clip on him or throw a bomb. Do you guys have a clip that shows the range of his vomit?

 

[Oiguana2701]

Regarding Seth's intelligence, is it only scientific, or does he have actual good planning and strategy?

As his mental state deteriorates, he basically only loses scientific intelligence, so by the end, he

Also, I doubt his vomit acid has a higher range than a gun; Walt should be able to unload an entire clip on him or throw a bomb. Do you guys have a clip that shows the range of his vomit?

I didn't say it had better range than a gun, I said it had enough range for Seth to not get up close, which would be an advantage. I'll try to find a clip for the vomit later today.

 

[Oiguana2701]

I think the scan on the profile showcases the acid vomit well.

 

[AThe1412]

With basic knowledge, what exactly stops Walt from pulling up to the fight in a suit that protects him from the acid then just blowing up the fly with fulminated mercury? Judging by the scan, Brundhle will have to be at basically melee range to even hit him with the acid. It's at best the same range as human vomit, not necessarily a reliable range attack.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

With basic knowledge, what exactly stops Walt from pulling up to the fight in a suit that protects him from the acid then just blowing up the fly with fulminated mercury? Judging by the scan, Brundhle will have to be at basically melee range to even hit him with the acid. It's at best the same range as human vomit, not necessarily a reliable range attack.

How would Walter get a suit that can resist such potent acid? I don't even think he's been seen using an acid-resistant suit before

 

[Vizer04]

How would Walter get a suit that can resist such potent acid? I don't even think he's been seen using an acid-resistant suit before

He has knowledge of acid-resistant plastics that can withstand acid strong enough to disolve a human body within hours.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

He has knowledge of acid-resistant plastics that can withstand acid strong enough to disolve a human body within hours.

Yeah, acid-resistant plastics, not an acid-resistant suit. What's he going to do, tape a bunch of plastic buckets to himself?

And Walter's acid took hours to disolve a human. The Fly's acid took a few seconds to melt a guy's entire hand. That's on par with some of the strongest acids on the planet, if not above them. Walter ain't resisting that

 

[Doggo]

Does not matter at all. Walt throws a bomb or shoots him in the head before he gets close

Better yet, he slowly poisons the whole lab from the outside

 

[AThe1412]

Yeah, acid-resistant plastics, not an acid-resistant suit. What's he going to do, tape a bunch of plastic buckets to himself?

He has the money and the knowledge to obtain the best acid-resistant suits and materials in the market.

And Walter's acid took hours to disolve a human. The Fly's acid took a few seconds to melt a guy's entire hand. That's on par with some of the strongest acids on the planet, if not above them. Walter ain't resisting that

Looks pretty resistible if they can put it in a bottle.

 

[Vizer04]

Yeah, acid-resistant plastics, not an acid-resistant suit. What's he going to do, tape a bunch of plastic buckets to himself?

Does not matter at all. Walt throws a bomb or shoots him in the head before he gets close

Better yet, he slowly poisons the whole lab from the outside

Walt has to actually enter the building to fight Seth, who has the surprise factor and field advantage.

 

[Doggo]

Walt has to actually enter the building to fight Seth, who has the surprise factor and field advantage.

Idk....plant poison gas on the building's vents from the outside or throw a bomb on every room before entering.

 

[Oiguana2701]

Idk....plant poison gas on the building's vents from the outside or throw a bomb on every room before entering.

I think they meant that Walter needs to enter the lab in order to start the fight. Otherwise, this would be a stomp.

 

[Doggo]

I think they meant that Walter needs to enter the lab in order to start the fight. Otherwise, this would be a stomp.

The OP does not really imply that? All they said is the fly will be waiting fot Walt in the lab..... nothing is stopping Walt from doing anything that I said above


Besides, I don't think the fly's vomit has a higher range than a gun, Walt simply shoots them.

 

[Oiguana2701]

The OP does not really imply that? All they said is the fly will be waiting fot Walt in the lab..... nothing is stopping Walt from doing anything that I said above


Besides, I don't think the fly's vomit has a higher range than a gun, Walt simply shoots them.

If Walt could just poison the lab from the outside, how would Seth even win? It would just turn the match into a stomp

 

[Doggo]

If Walt could just poison the lab from the outside, how would Seth even win? It would just turn the match into a stomp

Then its a stomp then

Walt kills another fly

 

[Oiguana2701]

Then its a stomp then

Walt kills another fly

This could easily be solved by just saying that Walter has to enter the lab to start the fight.

 

[Doggo]

This could easily be solved by just saying that Walter has to enter the lab to start the fight.

Put that in the op then!

As of now, there's nothing stopping Walter from bombing or poisoning the place

 

[Vizer04]

Alright, to make this more fair i changed the location to an abandoned building and they start inside the building this time.

 

[Doggo]

Walt outranges with the gun

 

[Oiguana2701]

I still think Seth should take this. While he doesn't have the advantage of the place anymore, as it's just a random building, the insect instincts in his body should be capable of greatly helping him in hiding with efficiency. Assuming the two are far apart, Seth could slowly creep up on Walt, and if he gets within melee range, he pretty much wins. Alongside that, abandoned buildings are most likely dark inside, something that will make it harder for Walter to notice Brundle, while the latter wouldn't have the same problem, given his insect senses. Finally, if Walter shoots Seth but doesn't hit his head, he still probably dies, as, given the biological differences between insects and people, I'm pretty sure just one shot to the heart wouldn't kill him.

 

[Doggo]

He has no stealth mastery. He definitely isn't hiding his huge body well enough, that's also assuming he hides in time before Walt just shoots him (both start within line of sight per SBA)

 

[AThe1412]

I still think Seth should take this. While he doesn't have the advantage of the place anymore, as it's just a random building, the insect instincts in his body should be capable of greatly helping him in hiding with efficiency. Assuming the two are far apart, Seth could slowly creep up on Walt, and if he gets within melee range, he pretty much wins.

No stealth mastery on his profile unlike Walt. Show scans of him hiding or sneaking up on people.

Alongside that, abandoned buildings are most likely dark inside, something that will make it harder for Walter to notice Brundle, while the latter wouldn't have the same problem, given his insect senses.

Show scans of him displaying the same senses as an insect.

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Even if he does, being able to see in 360° isn't the same as being able to see in the dark. Walt can just bring a light source with him and the darkness problem is out of the window.

Finally, if Walter shoots Seth but doesn't hit his head, he still probably dies, as, given the biological differences between insects and people, I'm pretty sure just one shot to the heart wouldn't kill him.

And what if he just blew him up?

 

[Doggo]

And what if he just blew him up?

Walt runs away to keep his distance and spams those damn bombs

gg

 

[Deadguy999]

Walter FRA

 

[Doggo]

voting Walter too

 

[Deadguy999]

. Finally, if Walter shoots Seth but doesn't hit his head, he still probably dies

Can you explain this sentence. Do you mean if Walter doesn’t land a headshot the bug will close the distance and kill him? I don’t think that will work cuz guns can knock it back and Walter would have emptied a whole mag on him

 

[Oiguana2701]

No stealth mastery on his profile unlike Walt. Show scans of him hiding or sneaking up on people.

Huh, I thought Brundlefly had Stealth Mastery. Sorry, just ignore that argument, please.

Show scans of him displaying the same senses as an insect.

Housefly

Houseflies (Musca domestica) are one of the most commonly known insects to date. Like their names suggest, houseflies typically reside in houses or warm environments. A nuisance to humans, they frequently like to disturb people during their daily lives, and eat human food that has been softened...

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Even if he does, being able to see in 360° isn't the same as being able to see in the dark. Walt can just bring a light source with him and the darkness problem is out of the window.

I thought there were scenes that showcased that ability, but I will say that his eyes are most likely fly-like, so that could help.

And what if he just blew him up?

That's not the easiest way to even kill Seth. In order to use bombs, Walter would either need to set them up while Brundle isn't looking, which is possible but may very well not happen.

Walt runs away to keep his distance and spams those damn bombs

How many bombs does he even have?

Can you explain this sentence. Do you mean if Walter doesn’t land a headshot the bug will close the distance and kill him? I don’t think that will work cuz guns can knock it back and Walter would have emptied a whole mag on him

This was a very situational thing and would usually not even be a factor, but if Brundle was sufficiently close and was only shot in the body, it wouldn't help that much, as insects can continue living even while they have gruesome injuries. Also, I don't think a handgun like that would be enough to knock it back enough. Look at the type of thing he can endure without getting knocked back.

 

[AThe1412]

That's not the easiest way to even kill Seth. In order to use bombs, Walter would either need to set them up while Brundle isn't looking, which is possible but may very well not happen.

How many bombs does he even have?

What bombs? All he needs is a pound of meth.



Except it isn't.

 

[Oiguana2701]

What bombs? All he needs is a pound of meth.



Except it isn't.

Sorry, I should've just said explosives. Anyways, that does change my look on the battle.
By the way, I just realized that Walt's optional equipment isn't specified, as Walter's only standard equipment is his blue meth.

 

[AThe1412]

Sorry, I should've just said explosives. Anyways, that does change my look on the battle.
By the way, I just realized that Walt's optional equipment isn't specified, as Walter's only standard equipment is his blue meth.

Prep time lets him obtain whatever he can reasonably gain access to.

 

[Doggo]

Even without bombs, his gun outranges

 

[Oiguana2701]

Even without bombs, his gun outranges

I don't think that's the best argument for Walt. He lacks Weapon Mastery, so it's not like he could shoot Seth's head 10 meters away, and even when they're close, as I mentioned earlier, he would need to hit a head shot, as flies can survive a lot and, while Seth's biology is not exactly like a fly's, they should be comparable.

 

[AThe1412]

I don't think that's the best argument for Walt. He lacks Weapon Mastery, so it's not like he could shoot Seth's head 10 meters away, and even when they're close, as I mentioned earlier, he would need to hit a head shot, as flies can survive a lot and, while Seth's biology is not exactly like a fly's, they should be comparable.

 

[Deadguy999]

I don't think that's the best argument for Walt. He lacks Weapon Mastery, so it's not like he could shoot Seth's head 10 meters away, and even when they're close, as I mentioned earlier, he would need to hit a head shot, as flies can survive a lot and, while Seth's biology is not exactly like a fly's, they should be comparable.

This was a very situational thing and would usually not even be a factor, but if Brundle was sufficiently close and was only shot in the body, it wouldn't help that much, as insects can continue living even while they have gruesome injuries. Also, I don't think a handgun like that would be enough to knock it back enough. Look at the type of thing he can endure without getting knocked back

Ok I guess guns would not kill the bug in this case..
But I still think Walter’s meth can kill him. They are like grenades but way lighter and way more powerful

 

[Vizer04]

I still think Walter’s meth can kill him. They are like grenades but way lighter and way more powerful

That is not meth, it's fulminated mercury.

 

[Doggo]

I don't think that's the best argument for Walt. He lacks Weapon Mastery, so it's not like he could shoot Seth's head 10 meters away, and even when they're close, as I mentioned earlier, he would need to hit a head shot, as flies can survive a lot and, while Seth's biology is not exactly like a fly's, they should be comparable.

....I think hitting something vital like the heart or even incapacitating it by shooting its legs would work.

 

[AThe1412]

Guess I'll be voting Heisenberg FRA.