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Virgo Shaka VS DBS Gods

I'll be assuming that the speed is equalized for this match, otherwise it'd be a boring stomp for Shaka, as he'd be at least in the High Quadrillion Times FTL.

Anyway, on to my thoughts:

Firstly, Shaka's greatest feat is the Agyo, which is a highly powerful Supreme Move that possesses potentially universal level of might on it's own. However, that attack is of a grandure far greater than that of Shaka's typical power, while the DBS God Tiers can reach High Multi Galactic Attack Potency with their fists alone (See the fight between Goku and Beerus)0.

Similarly, while Shaka possesses many haxed abilities, such as the 'Six Cycles of Existence", the Dragon Ball God Tiers have demonstrated time and time again resistance to such events (See the Classic Buu Saga, where the High Tiers could rip holes between dimensions).

However, I will agree that his hax could possibly take out Goku and Vegeta, despite their superior destructive power and fighting skills, and perhaps even Beerus and Champa, Whis and Vados would most likely nullified any of Shaka's abilities. The former, in particular, would be nigh-unstoppable if he were to resort to his time reversal abilities.

In the end, it'd be a battle of who could strike the opponent first, more than anything. It could go either way, but do to the DBS God Tiers higher powers without resorting to Supreme Moves, as well as a higher number, and the abilities of Whis / Vados, I have to give this fight to them.
 
@RouninOtaku

Maybe you shoud erase "(ND)" and assume that this is just original SS Shaka with Agyo, since the Next Dimesion Shaka hasn't a physical body and his spirit attacks from Nirvana through astral projections. Otherwise this would be a total unfair battle.
 
@The Wandering Shepherd

That's actually a very valid point. But again, if we use Classic Saint Seiya Shaka with Agyo, then it's an even bigger stomp due to how weaker he'd be than ND Shaka.

Hell, even Soul of Gold God Cloth Shaka with Agyo would be a stomp on the Dragon Ball Super Gods side.
 
With. 8th Sense is most likely around Tier 4-A to High 4-A, at best. This can be known since Gemini Kanon, with the 8th Sense, still calls the Galaxian Explosion his most powerful attack by far. So their base level, without resorting to Special Moves, should naturally be lower than 3-Cs
 
The Wandering Shepherd said:
@RouninOtaku
Maybe you shoud erase "(ND)" and assume that this is just original SS Shaka with Agyo, since the Next Dimesion Shaka hasn't a physical body and his spirit attacks from Nirvana through astral projections. Otherwise this would be a total unfair battle.
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Like this
 
Yes, Agyo really isn't as powerful as some people think. It's a Low Universal Level attack that it is mostly spiritual. It released the energy of the universe's creation as a ray of Light. There's no indication that it is as fast as regular Shaka, and it requires meditation to be used. Also, those who claim the clash between it and Shijima was 2-B, but those do not understand Kurumada's writing style nor the mechanics between a Thousand Day War type Clash (I.E, both warriors of similar Cosmos burn it at equal pace while giving their all in the form of their special moves, which clash and keep colidding and increasing their power until either both warriors die or the attacks null each other).
 
hard to say since we cannot be sure of how Angyo would work, should be inconclusive by now, however, as soon as any DBS character gets 2-C this fight is over.
 
Viturino said:
hard to say since we cannot be sure of how Angyo would work, should be inconclusive by now, however, as soon as any DBS character gets 2-C this fight is over.
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This is practically what tier they need to win and better speed as Shaka is quintillions FTL and they haven't caught up just yet
 
Shaka's got this, he's got superior firepower as the Angyo destroys infinite mass but not time-space which is why he's not 2-C. Shaka's also craptons faster.
 
Nah i take it back Shaka wins this via hax and speed advantage just removes theyre senses or stop their brain fuctions
 
It's pretty much only due to a lack of Hax skills, because Next Dimension Shaka, aside from a very powerful Ultimate Move, is not really in the same level as say, Whis and Vados in physical capabilities alone, nor fighting abilities.

However, abilities such as sending the opponent's soul to other realms of existence, depriving them of their senses, and destroying their minds makes him the clear winner.

I agree with adding it to Shaka's victories, but if there is a not explaining that his victory was achieved thanks to his mental / spiritual moves.
 
Shaka got this, he can remove your sense and make you stop functioning completely unless you have 7th and 8th sense and his barrier is quite tough to deal with. If Shaka open his eye its game over and if his God cloth is included then its pretty unfair. Also, with his 8th sense, he can revive and therefore can counter whis time ability(you cannot use the same thing to the saint again). Shaka Agyo is pretty much make him Low 3-A but not High 3-A. It doesn't destroy space and time but its a little bit close.
 
It's not actually known if space time is destroyed, but text suggests that time is being affected as well since it even mentions the circle of reincarnation happening and infinite amount of lives beginning and dissapearing in an instant- something that wouldn't happen if an independent timeline hadn't been born along with the space.
 
AguilaR101 said:
It's not actually known if space time is destroyed, but text suggests that time is being affected as well since it even mentions the circle of reincarnation happening and infinite amount of lives beginning and dissapearing in an instant- something that wouldn't happen if an independent timeline hadn't been born along with the space.
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It really doesn't affect space and time, actually. To explain this, I'll repost something I have written some days ago:

I don't think Seiya needs to be upgraded to any level of Tier 2. Scaling him of Shaka's and Shijima's feat is not something you'd wanna due. Specially since their feat is not Multiversal as some have interpreted it as. Rather, it is only Universal+.

The reason for it is due to when two High Level Cosmo users enter the state of the Thousand Day Wars, their Cosmos both raise at identical pace. Their power, speed, durability is completely equal, and the fight will either keep going "for 1000 days" without any winner, or both will end up dead. Focusing on the "both Saints dying" scenario, I'll guide you to the Shion vs Dohko fight that took place during the Hades Arc, as it is one of the clearest examples of what the Thousand Day War is.

Dohko released his Rozan Hundred Rising Dragons, and Shion fired the Starlight Revolution. Both attacks clashed... and never stopped being fired. Their Cosmos kept being burn, and the destructive energy of their attacks kept being released. Soon, countless lights covered all of the skies, and it only ceased with an explosion that "killed" both Saints.

Likewise, Shaka and Shijima were in very similar levels of power, and the clash of their attacks coupled with the burning of their Cosmos placed then in a similar situation (Except that, due to their Cosmos being higher than 7th Sense, they wouldn't fight for 1000 days but rather break through the cycle of reincarnation and fight for eternity). That way, the Agyo and the Ungyo were locked in their clashes, and their power kept being released continuouly. So, the Clash didn't result into Countless Universes being created and destroyed all at once, but rather that the energy equivalent to an universe's creation and destruction was being continuously released without stop. They didn't display Multiversal Attack Potency, but rather Universal Attack Potency that kept being fired again and again at every instant.


Now, in regards to Seiya hitting Hades, that can easily be explained by two facts:

1 Hades was clearly supressed and underestimating the Bronze Saints. It'd be ridiculous to assume that he was using his full power against them based on the way he acted during the fight.

2 While Hades's Cosmos is 4D in it's power, Hades's body is still 3D, and without the protection of his Cosmos can still be hurt by normal humans.

For more information, read this pastebin containing a conversation in which I explained this with more details to another members: http://pastebin.com/f1NCfB8F



Hope you can all understand.
 
He's actually right if they're were reincarnations done and lives were born and dissapeared then time was affected actually.
 
wow I don't think shaka alone can take on all those gods, maybe a team like Shaka/Saga/Mu/Aiolia(with photon Burst) , would absolutely destroy the DBZ gods, but I really don,t think Shaka can take on all those gods

he would probably be an even match for Whis and Vados, but to say that he can take them on plus the 4 other gods is wanking
 
They're too slow for him.Bronze Cloth Seiya is quintillions FTL and Shaka is easily the strongest gold Saint and blitzed Seiya during that time with ease.Whis and Vados have around his lvl of power but hax is another story Speed advantage + Hax>>>
 
CHILLVIBEZZ said:
They're too slow for him.Bronze Cloth Seiya is quintillions FTL and Shaka is easily the strongest gold Saint and blitzed Seiya during that time with ease.Whis and Vados have around his lvl of power but hax is another story Speed advantage + Hax>>>
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Uh, you are taking stuff out of context. Shaka blitzed Seiya during the Sanctuary Arc, when Seiya didn't have full control of the Seventh Sense and could barely go Lightspeed.

And Seiya became Quadrillions to Quintillions of times FTL when he already had 100% control of the 8th Sense, AND his Cloth was bathed in the Divine Blood of Athena, allowing them to survive the Hyperdimension. So we can't scale other 8th Sense Users out of that. We have no information regarding Shaka's speed in Next Dimension, only scaling. And the Agyo requires him to stop and meditate.

But yes, Shaka would win due to his mental / spiritual hax.
 
No....

Shaka blitzed Seiya infront of the wailling wall im not reffering to the sanctuary arc.

Seiya never showed when he mastered 8th sense we only got to saw when he awakened it.Shaka awakened it even before seiya had.His cloth being bathed in athenas ichor only made him able to survive in hyperdimension so im pretty sure we can.

And im aware of that.
 
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